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Post#1 » by Godaddycurse » Sat May 25, 2024 4:17 am

Sacramento trade: Mitchell, Vezenkov, Duarte, POR 2025 2nd
Sacramento receive: Brown

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Mitchell, Vezenkov, THJ, POR 2025 2nd, MIA 2028 2nd

Dallas trade: THJ, MIA 2028 2nd
Dallas receive: Duarte

Why for Dallas: free up MLE
Why for Sacramento: add a wing defender. Keeps MLE available to address PF
Why for Toronto: get couple 2nds for Brown/eating some salary and keep MLE available
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Re: Sacramento - Toronto - Dallas 

Post#3 » by Texas Chuck » Sat May 25, 2024 4:29 am

Kings are a question mark for me but the other teams should do this and quickly. Even better for Dallas to use cash and see if they can move Duarte to a 4th team, but not essential or anything. Just they don't have a TPE big enough for Duarte and I'd like to get a THJ sized one.
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Re: Sacramento - Toronto - Dallas 

Post#4 » by SNPA » Sat May 25, 2024 4:29 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Sacramento trade: Mitchell, Vezenkov, Duarte, POR 2025 2nd
Sacramento receive: Brown

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Mitchell, Vezenkov, THJ, POR 2025 2nd, MIA 2028 2nd

Dallas trade: THJ, MIA 2028 2nd
Dallas receive: Duarte

Why for Dallas: free up MLE
Why for Sacramento: add a wing defender. Keeps MLE available to address PF
Why for Toronto: get couple 2nds for Brown/eating some salary and keep MLE available

Give up a good POA defender, plus more, to get a 6’4’’ wing defender. Ehh. Maybe. Would have to make sense with other moves.
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Re: Sacramento - Toronto - Dallas 

Post#5 » by Godaddycurse » Sat May 25, 2024 4:32 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Kings are a question mark for me but the other teams should do this and quickly. Even better for Dallas to use cash and see if they can move Duarte to a 4th team, but not essential or anything. Just they don't have a TPE big enough for Duarte and I'd like to get a THJ sized one.


Give duarte to Toronto and eat Mcdaniels into TPE?
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Post#6 » by Godaddycurse » Sat May 25, 2024 4:38 am

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Godaddycurse wrote:Sacramento trade: Mitchell, Vezenkov, Duarte, POR 2025 2nd
Sacramento receive: Brown

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Mitchell, Vezenkov, THJ, POR 2025 2nd, MIA 2028 2nd

Dallas trade: THJ, MIA 2028 2nd
Dallas receive: Duarte

Why for Dallas: free up MLE
Why for Sacramento: add a wing defender. Keeps MLE available to address PF
Why for Toronto: get couple 2nds for Brown/eating some salary and keep MLE available

Give up a good POA defender, plus more, to get a 6’4’’ wing defender. Ehh. Maybe. Would have to make sense with other moves.


I haven't been keeping track but is Mitchell in Sacramento's long term plans? I seen mocks where they take a guard. Are they going to try extend mitchell this off season?
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Post#7 » by OxAndFox » Sat May 25, 2024 5:14 am

Keep Sasha in Sacramento. Toronto won't want him anyway.
I think that should still work as I thought there was a new tidbit that starts this off season in the CBA that has the lower paid players (think it's under $9-10m) can count up to 200% and I forget what the percentage is of players over that.
I'm not certain if that's the case, I did hear it on a podcast, but if it is, the Kings can send Duarte/Mitchell.
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Post#8 » by OxAndFox » Sat May 25, 2024 5:19 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
SNPA wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Sacramento trade: Mitchell, Vezenkov, Duarte, POR 2025 2nd
Sacramento receive: Brown

Toronto trade: Brown
Toronto receive: Mitchell, Vezenkov, THJ, POR 2025 2nd, MIA 2028 2nd

Dallas trade: THJ, MIA 2028 2nd
Dallas receive: Duarte

Why for Dallas: free up MLE
Why for Sacramento: add a wing defender. Keeps MLE available to address PF
Why for Toronto: get couple 2nds for Brown/eating some salary and keep MLE available

Give up a good POA defender, plus more, to get a 6’4’’ wing defender. Ehh. Maybe. Would have to make sense with other moves.


I haven't been keeping track but is Mitchell in Sacramento's long term plans? I seen mocks where they take a guard. Are they going to try extend mitchell this off season?


His end of the season, or rather after the TDL he was pretty good. He shot over 40% from 3 and was good on the defensive end.
IMO it was the relief of not being traded combined with Brown allowing him to play his natural game and take mid range jumpers and drives to the basket.

I'm not certain he is part of the Kings' future, but if not they should do right by him and send him somewhere he will get an opportunity.
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Post#9 » by OxAndFox » Sat May 25, 2024 5:25 am

Just a note on what I was talking about with the 200%.

As of July 1, for teams below the apron:

Up to $7.25 million in outgoing salary can bring back 200 percent plus $250,000
$7,250,001 to $29 million will be padded by a flat $7.5 million
Above $29 million will be limited to 125 percent plus $250,000


So I'm not sure if it is any player up to $7.25m in outgoing salary or a total of $7.25m in total outgoing salary.
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Post#10 » by Godaddycurse » Sat May 25, 2024 10:11 am

OxAndFox wrote:Just a note on what I was talking about with the 200%.

As of July 1, for teams below the apron:

Up to $7.25 million in outgoing salary can bring back 200 percent plus $250,000
$7,250,001 to $29 million will be padded by a flat $7.5 million
Above $29 million will be limited to 125 percent plus $250,000


So I'm not sure if it is any player up to $7.25m in outgoing salary or a total of $7.25m in total outgoing salary.



I believe its total. If u want to keep sasha or Mitchell (not both though) could theoretically S&T Len/Edwards etc as filler i believe
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Post#11 » by bpcox05 » Sat May 25, 2024 12:06 pm

I think the 2025 POR 2nd would need to be dropped from the Kings perspective. Considering age, contract, and impact in the floor, I don’t really have Brown above Mitchell at this point. Mitchell looked really good for us to end the year. After the all star break, his per 36 min stats were…

.606 TS%
11.3 FGA
.500 FG%
5.3 3PA
.416 3P%
1.2 FTA
.706 FT%
14.3 PTS
3.4 REB
4.1 AST
0.5 STL
0.1 BLK
1.2 TO
2.3 PF

Couple that with his great POA defense, and he was a pretty darn effective player for us down the stretch.

I think the only reason I’d consider a Mitchell for Brown swap is because we have a fair amount of “small” guards on the roster already that can play PG/defend opposing PGs assuming we bring Monk back (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Mitchell). Swapping Mitchell for Brown gives us a bit more size in that guard rotation and more 2/3 versatility (vs. the plethora of 1/2 versatility we have right now). However, the 2025 POR 2nd is too rich for me here.

I think TOR taking a flyer on Mitchell (who ended the season strong and still has 1 year left on his rookie deal) for Brown (who’s a decent player albeit overpaid and expiring) is fair value. If TOR isn’t interested in Mitchell, then perhaps a 3rd team would be willing to reroute an asset to TOR for Mitchell. However, I think Mitchell would have to be sent out in a deal for Brown simply because it would make our log jam at guard that much worse.
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Post#12 » by Godaddycurse » Sat May 25, 2024 12:11 pm

bpcox05 wrote:I think the 2025 POR 2nd would need to be dropped from the Kings perspective. Considering age, contract, and impact in the floor, I don’t really have Brown above Mitchell at this point. Mitchell looked really good for us to end the year. After the all star break, his per 36 min stats were…

.606 TS%
11.3 FGA
.500 FG%
5.3 3PA
.416 3P%
1.2 FTA
.706 FT%
14.3 PTS
3.4 REB
4.1 AST
0.5 STL
0.1 BLK
1.2 TO
2.3 PF

Couple that with his great POA defense, and he was a pretty darn effective player for us down the stretch.

I think the only reason I’d consider a Mitchell for Brown swap is because we have a fair amount of “small” guards on the roster already that can play PG/defend opposing PGs assuming we bring Monk back (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Mitchell). Swapping Mitchell for Brown gives us a bit more size in that guard rotation and more 2/3 versatility (vs. the plethora of 1/2 versatility we have right now). However, the 2025 POR 2nd is too rich for me here.

I think TOR taking a flyer on Mitchell (who ended the season strong and still has 1 year left on his rookie deal) for Brown (who’s a decent player albeit overpaid and expiring) is fair value. If TOR isn’t interested in Mitchell, then perhaps a 3rd team would be willing to reroute an asset to TOR for Mitchell. However, I think Mitchell would have to be sent out in a deal for Brown simply because it would make our log jam at guard that much worse.


Replace Mitchell with kessler edward S&T then.
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Post#13 » by bpcox05 » Sat May 25, 2024 12:59 pm

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bpcox05 wrote:I think the 2025 POR 2nd would need to be dropped from the Kings perspective. Considering age, contract, and impact in the floor, I don’t really have Brown above Mitchell at this point. Mitchell looked really good for us to end the year. After the all star break, his per 36 min stats were…

.606 TS%
11.3 FGA
.500 FG%
5.3 3PA
.416 3P%
1.2 FTA
.706 FT%
14.3 PTS
3.4 REB
4.1 AST
0.5 STL
0.1 BLK
1.2 TO
2.3 PF

Couple that with his great POA defense, and he was a pretty darn effective player for us down the stretch.

I think the only reason I’d consider a Mitchell for Brown swap is because we have a fair amount of “small” guards on the roster already that can play PG/defend opposing PGs assuming we bring Monk back (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Mitchell). Swapping Mitchell for Brown gives us a bit more size in that guard rotation and more 2/3 versatility (vs. the plethora of 1/2 versatility we have right now). However, the 2025 POR 2nd is too rich for me here.

I think TOR taking a flyer on Mitchell (who ended the season strong and still has 1 year left on his rookie deal) for Brown (who’s a decent player albeit overpaid and expiring) is fair value. If TOR isn’t interested in Mitchell, then perhaps a 3rd team would be willing to reroute an asset to TOR for Mitchell. However, I think Mitchell would have to be sent out in a deal for Brown simply because it would make our log jam at guard that much worse.


Replace Mitchell with kessler edward S&T then.

Again, I think Mitchell would need to go out in a trade for Brown (especially if we keep Monk). And thinking about the minutes rotation more, ideally it would be Mitchell/Huerter going out in a trade for Brown.

If we just swapped in Edwards for Mitchell, we’d be left with the following players who play the 1 or 2…

Fox (Starter)
Ellis (Starter)
Monk (6th man)
Mitchell
Brown
Huerter

I think Ellis, Brown, and Huerter can get away with some minutes at the 3 against opposing team’s benches but Murray should ultimately get the bulk of his minutes at the 3 while we search for a bigger, longer PF to put in between him and Sabonis. So we’re talking maybe 15-20 min available at the 3?

With that in mind, you have around 116 minutes to give to those 6 players. Split evenly, that’s 19.3 min per player. Fox is going to be somewhere around 34 min, Monk will likely be 26-30 min, Ellis will probably be 20-28 min, Brown & Huerter have routinely played 24+ min, Mitchell is looking like a 20ish min player if he keeps up his post all star break production. That comes out to about 154 min (38 min over our “min budget”).

Again, I think a trade with the framework of Mitchell/Huerter for Brown makes some sense for the Kings as it clears the log jam and gives us a good defensive option at the 2/3. The minutes rotation would look really clean on our end too…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (22)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (14)

…or if we can get away with playing small at C against a certain team, we can swap Len’s minutes for Vezenkov (who many Kings fans are still optimistic about)…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (8) / Vezenkov (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles (14)
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Post#14 » by islandboy53 » Sat May 25, 2024 1:47 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:Just a note on what I was talking about with the 200%.

As of July 1, for teams below the apron:

Up to $7.25 million in outgoing salary can bring back 200 percent plus $250,000
$7,250,001 to $29 million will be padded by a flat $7.5 million
Above $29 million will be limited to 125 percent plus $250,000


So I'm not sure if it is any player up to $7.25m in outgoing salary or a total of $7.25m in total outgoing salary.



I believe its total. If u want to keep sasha or Mitchell (not both though) could theoretically S&T Len/Edwards etc as filler i believe


You're right, it's total outgoing salary. Here are a variation on your original trade proposal.

Send Duarte to Toronto, with Freeman-Liberty from Toronto and cash from Sacramento going to Dallas. Dallas also upgrades it's pick going to Toronto, to Toronto's 2025 2nd, to reflect the extra space being generated. So, we have:

Dallas: out - THJ, 2025 Toronto 2nd; in - Freeman-Liberty, cash
Sacramento: out - Vezenkov, Mitchell, Duarte, 2025 Portland 2nd
Toronto: out - Brown, Freeman-Liberty; in - THJ, Vezenkov, Mitchell, Duarte, 2025 Portland & Toronto 2nds

Dallas creates a large TPE (either $16.1 million or $14.3 million, depending whether they use an existing TPE of their own). Toronto takes Vezenkov into the Siakam TPE, and creates a new $10 million TPE.

From Sacramento's perspective, they need to send out at least $16.5 million, so they have lots of options.
- one of Vezenkov/Lyles plus Mitchell plus Duarte
- Lyles plus one of Vezenkov/Mitchell/Duarte plus Jones
- Huerter or Barnes (could add one of Duarte/Jones)

I like the concept of this 3 team deal. Dallas gets room to keep DJJ, Toronto gets some players and picks for Brown, and Sacramento gets a replacement for Monk and room to use the MLE for other needs.
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Post#15 » by islandboy53 » Sat May 25, 2024 2:29 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:I think the 2025 POR 2nd would need to be dropped from the Kings perspective. Considering age, contract, and impact in the floor, I don’t really have Brown above Mitchell at this point. Mitchell looked really good for us to end the year. After the all star break, his per 36 min stats were…

.606 TS%
11.3 FGA
.500 FG%
5.3 3PA
.416 3P%
1.2 FTA
.706 FT%
14.3 PTS
3.4 REB
4.1 AST
0.5 STL
0.1 BLK
1.2 TO
2.3 PF

Couple that with his great POA defense, and he was a pretty darn effective player for us down the stretch.

I think the only reason I’d consider a Mitchell for Brown swap is because we have a fair amount of “small” guards on the roster already that can play PG/defend opposing PGs assuming we bring Monk back (Fox, Ellis, Monk, Mitchell). Swapping Mitchell for Brown gives us a bit more size in that guard rotation and more 2/3 versatility (vs. the plethora of 1/2 versatility we have right now). However, the 2025 POR 2nd is too rich for me here.

I think TOR taking a flyer on Mitchell (who ended the season strong and still has 1 year left on his rookie deal) for Brown (who’s a decent player albeit overpaid and expiring) is fair value. If TOR isn’t interested in Mitchell, then perhaps a 3rd team would be willing to reroute an asset to TOR for Mitchell. However, I think Mitchell would have to be sent out in a deal for Brown simply because it would make our log jam at guard that much worse.


Replace Mitchell with kessler edward S&T then.

Again, I think Mitchell would need to go out in a trade for Brown (especially if we keep Monk). And thinking about the minutes rotation more, ideally it would be Mitchell/Huerter going out in a trade for Brown.

If we just swapped in Edwards for Mitchell, we’d be left with the following players who play the 1 or 2…

Fox (Starter)
Ellis (Starter)
Monk (6th man)
Mitchell
Brown
Huerter

I think Ellis, Brown, and Huerter can get away with some minutes at the 3 against opposing team’s benches but Murray should ultimately get the bulk of his minutes at the 3 while we search for a bigger, longer PF to put in between him and Sabonis. So we’re talking maybe 15-20 min available at the 3?

With that in mind, you have around 116 minutes to give to those 6 players. Split evenly, that’s 19.3 min per player. Fox is going to be somewhere around 34 min, Monk will likely be 26-30 min, Ellis will probably be 20-28 min, Brown & Huerter have routinely played 24+ min, Mitchell is looking like a 20ish min player if he keeps up his post all star break production. That comes out to about 154 min (38 min over our “min budget”).

Again, I think a trade with the framework of Mitchell/Huerter for Brown makes some sense for the Kings as it clears the log jam and gives us a good defensive option at the 2/3. The minutes rotation would look really clean on our end too…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (22)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (14)

…or if we can get away with playing small at C against a certain team, we can swap Len’s minutes for Vezenkov (who many Kings fans are still optimistic about)…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (8) / Vezenkov (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles (14)


If you're sending Huerter & Mitchell, the total net incoming for Toronto will only leave them $10 million below the tax, which is too tight. You can remedy that by keeping Duarte while Toronto sends McDaniels to Dallas. Dallas gets lots of room under the 1st apron to use the full NTMLE on DJJ, Sacramento has room to keep Monk and use the tax MLE (or use the NTMLE in the more likely scenario that Monk leaves), and Toronto retains room to use the full NTMLE under the tax. We can debate the 2nd going from Sacramento, but in this scenario Toronto is taking on Huerter's 2nd year, so ...
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Post#16 » by bpcox05 » Sat May 25, 2024 3:38 pm

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bpcox05 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Replace Mitchell with kessler edward S&T then.

Again, I think Mitchell would need to go out in a trade for Brown (especially if we keep Monk). And thinking about the minutes rotation more, ideally it would be Mitchell/Huerter going out in a trade for Brown.

If we just swapped in Edwards for Mitchell, we’d be left with the following players who play the 1 or 2…

Fox (Starter)
Ellis (Starter)
Monk (6th man)
Mitchell
Brown
Huerter

I think Ellis, Brown, and Huerter can get away with some minutes at the 3 against opposing team’s benches but Murray should ultimately get the bulk of his minutes at the 3 while we search for a bigger, longer PF to put in between him and Sabonis. So we’re talking maybe 15-20 min available at the 3?

With that in mind, you have around 116 minutes to give to those 6 players. Split evenly, that’s 19.3 min per player. Fox is going to be somewhere around 34 min, Monk will likely be 26-30 min, Ellis will probably be 20-28 min, Brown & Huerter have routinely played 24+ min, Mitchell is looking like a 20ish min player if he keeps up his post all star break production. That comes out to about 154 min (38 min over our “min budget”).

Again, I think a trade with the framework of Mitchell/Huerter for Brown makes some sense for the Kings as it clears the log jam and gives us a good defensive option at the 2/3. The minutes rotation would look really clean on our end too…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (22)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (14)

…or if we can get away with playing small at C against a certain team, we can swap Len’s minutes for Vezenkov (who many Kings fans are still optimistic about)…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (8) / Vezenkov (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles (14)


If you're sending Huerter & Mitchell, the total net incoming for Toronto will only leave them $10 million below the tax, which is too tight. You can remedy that by keeping Duarte while Toronto sends McDaniels to Dallas. Dallas gets lots of room under the 1st apron to use the full NTMLE on DJJ, Sacramento has room to keep Monk and use the tax MLE (or use the NTMLE in the more likely scenario that Monk leaves), and Toronto retains room to use the full NTMLE under the tax. We can debate the 2nd going from Sacramento, but in this scenario Toronto is taking on Huerter's 2nd year, so ...

Yeah I don’t consider Huerter to be negative value so there wouldn’t be a 2nd coming from SAC in this scenario.

He’s only making 11.5-12% of the cap the next 2 years and is still just 25 years old. He’s coming off his worst shooting year of his career, but the previous 5 seasons, he’s averaging 38.5% from 3 in 7.0 3PA per 36 and his injury is to his non-shooting arm. Huerter’s not just a shooter though. He’s a decent passer & ball handler that can run some secondary PnR action while also being able to scorer within the arc. He actually took a step forward on the boards this year as well. He’s a pretty solid all around player who’s one of the better movement shooters in the game. His deficiencies are obviously his defense and athleticism but you could do much worse for a guy making 11.5-12% of the cap.

As for his fit in Toronto, I have him as an upgrade from Trent but without having to commit to him long term just yet. Huerter’s shooting would be a natural fit around Barnes to give him the space he needs to attack. Mitchell makes sense too as a 3&D PG behind Quickley. A Huerter/Mitchell for Brown/McDaniels trade would leave TOR with…

PG - Quickley / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Dick
SF - Barrett / Agbai
PF - Barnes / Boucher
C - Poeltl / Olynyk
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Post#17 » by MessiahUjiri » Sat May 25, 2024 4:22 pm

islandboy53 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:Just a note on what I was talking about with the 200%.



So I'm not sure if it is any player up to $7.25m in outgoing salary or a total of $7.25m in total outgoing salary.



I believe its total. If u want to keep sasha or Mitchell (not both though) could theoretically S&T Len/Edwards etc as filler i believe


You're right, it's total outgoing salary. Here are a variation on your original trade proposal.

Send Duarte to Toronto, with Freeman-Liberty from Toronto and cash from Sacramento going to Dallas. Dallas also upgrades it's pick going to Toronto, to Toronto's 2025 2nd, to reflect the extra space being generated. So, we have:

Dallas: out - THJ, 2025 Toronto 2nd; in - Freeman-Liberty, cash
Sacramento: out - Vezenkov, Mitchell, Duarte, 2025 Portland 2nd
Toronto: out - Brown, Freeman-Liberty; in - THJ, Vezenkov, Mitchell, Duarte, 2025 Portland & Toronto 2nds

Dallas creates a large TPE (either $16.1 million or $14.3 million, depending whether they use an existing TPE of their own). Toronto takes Vezenkov into the Siakam TPE, and creates a new $10 million TPE.

From Sacramento's perspective, they need to send out at least $16.5 million, so they have lots of options.
- one of Vezenkov/Lyles plus Mitchell plus Duarte
- Lyles plus one of Vezenkov/Mitchell/Duarte plus Jones
- Huerter or Barnes (could add one of Duarte/Jones)

I like the concept of this 3 team deal. Dallas gets room to keep DJJ, Toronto gets some players and picks for Brown, and Sacramento gets a replacement for Monk and room to use the MLE for other needs.



I think the concept of a 3 team trade here is great. We are probably all just refining preferences at the edges here, but I would love to see these teams pull a trade.

Dallas wants space to use the MLE
Sacramento can use Brown as a vet defender
Toronto can use 2nds and is willing to take on contracts
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Post#18 » by islandboy53 » Sat May 25, 2024 5:16 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
islandboy53 wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:Again, I think Mitchell would need to go out in a trade for Brown (especially if we keep Monk). And thinking about the minutes rotation more, ideally it would be Mitchell/Huerter going out in a trade for Brown.

If we just swapped in Edwards for Mitchell, we’d be left with the following players who play the 1 or 2…

Fox (Starter)
Ellis (Starter)
Monk (6th man)
Mitchell
Brown
Huerter

I think Ellis, Brown, and Huerter can get away with some minutes at the 3 against opposing team’s benches but Murray should ultimately get the bulk of his minutes at the 3 while we search for a bigger, longer PF to put in between him and Sabonis. So we’re talking maybe 15-20 min available at the 3?

With that in mind, you have around 116 minutes to give to those 6 players. Split evenly, that’s 19.3 min per player. Fox is going to be somewhere around 34 min, Monk will likely be 26-30 min, Ellis will probably be 20-28 min, Brown & Huerter have routinely played 24+ min, Mitchell is looking like a 20ish min player if he keeps up his post all star break production. That comes out to about 154 min (38 min over our “min budget”).

Again, I think a trade with the framework of Mitchell/Huerter for Brown makes some sense for the Kings as it clears the log jam and gives us a good defensive option at the 2/3. The minutes rotation would look really clean on our end too…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (22)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len (14)

…or if we can get away with playing small at C against a certain team, we can swap Len’s minutes for Vezenkov (who many Kings fans are still optimistic about)…

PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Brown (8)
SF - Murray (32) / Brown (16)
PF - Barnes (26) / Lyles (8) / Vezenkov (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles (14)


If you're sending Huerter & Mitchell, the total net incoming for Toronto will only leave them $10 million below the tax, which is too tight. You can remedy that by keeping Duarte while Toronto sends McDaniels to Dallas. Dallas gets lots of room under the 1st apron to use the full NTMLE on DJJ, Sacramento has room to keep Monk and use the tax MLE (or use the NTMLE in the more likely scenario that Monk leaves), and Toronto retains room to use the full NTMLE under the tax. We can debate the 2nd going from Sacramento, but in this scenario Toronto is taking on Huerter's 2nd year, so ...

Yeah I don’t consider Huerter to be negative value so there wouldn’t be a 2nd coming from SAC in this scenario.

He’s only making 11.5-12% of the cap the next 2 years and is still just 25 years old. He’s coming off his worst shooting year of his career, but the previous 5 seasons, he’s averaging 38.5% from 3 in 7.0 3PA per 36 and his injury is to his non-shooting arm. Huerter’s not just a shooter though. He’s a decent passer & ball handler that can run some secondary PnR action while also being able to scorer within the arc. He actually took a step forward on the boards this year as well. He’s a pretty solid all around player who’s one of the better movement shooters in the game. His deficiencies are obviously his defense and athleticism but you could do much worse for a guy making 11.5-12% of the cap.

As for his fit in Toronto, I have him as an upgrade from Trent but without having to commit to him long term just yet. Huerter’s shooting would be a natural fit around Barnes to give him the space he needs to attack. Mitchell makes sense too as a 3&D PG behind Quickley. A Huerter/Mitchell for Brown/McDaniels trade would leave TOR with…

PG - Quickley / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Dick
SF - Barrett / Agbai
PF - Barnes / Boucher
C - Poeltl / Olynyk


I can live with no 2nd coming from the Kings for Huerter, keeping in mind that there would be one coming from Dallas in the larger trade along with THJ. That would leave a crowd at 2/3, and THJ would ideally be sent elsewhere for some forward depth and another 2nd. Add in #19, #31 and a UFA signing and that should be a noticeable upgrade depthwise from last year.

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