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Re: Pacers vs Celtics: Series Thread (CONFERENCE FINALS!) 

Post#41 » by Pacers Forever » Sat May 25, 2024 9:02 pm

Wizop wrote:For me, it's player development time.


Exactly! I saw speculation on lineups for tonight. Do you value keeping the second unit in tact or start McConnell and have no energy boost leader on the second unit and just continuous substitution.

McConnell, Nembhard, Nesmith, Siakam, Turner

Nembhard, Sheppard, Nesmith, Siakam, Turner

Nembhard, Nesmith, Toppin , Siakam, Turner

Nembhard, Nesmith, Walker, Siakam, Turner

Regardless it’s gonna be next man up time and I’m just not sure if the Pacers have enough even before losing Tyrese to win the series.
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Post#42 » by Wizop » Sat May 25, 2024 11:26 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:Nembhard, Nesmith, Toppin , Siakam, Turner .


After tweeting other lineups, I like this best. My second choice is starting TJ over Nembhard but I really hope Obi starts at 4 with P at 3.
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Post#43 » by Pacers Forever » Sun May 26, 2024 12:09 am

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Pacers Forever wrote:Nembhard, Nesmith, Toppin , Siakam, Turner .


After tweeting other lineups, I like this best. My second choice is starting TJ over Nembhard but I really hope Obi starts at 4 with P at 3.


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Post#44 » by Wizop » Sun May 26, 2024 12:13 am

Sheppard was my first thought. Very reasonable to keep the changes minimal.
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Post#45 » by Pacers Forever » Sun May 26, 2024 12:16 am

I’m glad TJ isn’t starting which will give the second unit a leader and scoring punch.

I do want to see more Walker tonight and not McDermott getting extra minutes. Doug just hasn’t shown the ability to get loose and make a difference. I think Walker can play some defense and rebound which could help the second team.
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Post#46 » by Pacers Forever » Sun May 26, 2024 1:12 am

Great job of keeping it close after 1.
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Post#47 » by Wizop » Sun May 26, 2024 1:48 am

Pacers Forever wrote:Great job of keeping it close after 1.


And Boston makes a late run to keep it close after 2.
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Post#48 » by Pacers Forever » Sun May 26, 2024 1:57 am

Nembhard giving me hope that the Pacers can win tonight’s game. Pacers up by 12 thanks to winning the rebounding 21-10 and limiting possible second chance points. Pacers 10-10 free throws.

Nembhard, Siakam, Turner, and McConnell leading the scoring. Pacers shooting 64% and 38% from 3 while Celtics are shooting 50% and 42% from 3.

All this without much contribution from Sheppard, Toppin, and I Jax. They haven’t gotten going yet.
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Post#49 » by Pacers Forever » Sun May 26, 2024 2:33 am

3rd quarter Celtics got more physical and the refs not helping
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Post#50 » by Wizop » Sun May 26, 2024 2:40 am

Seems like they get blocks while we get called for fouls but I'm hardly impartial.
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Post#51 » by Pacers Forever » Sun May 26, 2024 3:29 am

Celtics 16-46 from 3
Pacers 5-22

I like to think that the refs don’t usually affect the outcome of games. Sometimes the calls are bad.

However tonight feels like they let Boston be more physical the third and fourth quarter and that handed the advantage to the Celtics. Pacers had issues making contested shots in the fourth quarter and that doomed them.

Credit for a hard fought game by the Pacers. Until the Pacers can say we’re a hell of a team like Tatum says about the Celtics then the Pacers don’t have enough talent to consistently win games despite all attempts to keep the small market out.

We all know the NBA has it’s narratives and they need the big market team in the finals.

I can’t imagine Minnesota making the finals even though they should. Luka and Kyrie is a better storyline in their eyes.
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Post#52 » by JMaster5K » Sun May 26, 2024 10:01 am

Pacers Forever wrote:Celtics 16-46 from 3
Pacers 5-22

I like to think that the refs don’t usually affect the outcome of games. Sometimes the calls are bad.

However tonight feels like they let Boston be more physical the third and fourth quarter and that handed the advantage to the Celtics. Pacers had issues making contested shots in the fourth quarter and that doomed them.

Credit for a hard fought game by the Pacers. Until the Pacers can say we’re a hell of a team like Tatum says about the Celtics then the Pacers don’t have enough talent to consistently win games despite all attempts to keep the small market out.

We all know the NBA has it’s narratives and they need the big market team in the finals.

I can’t imagine Minnesota making the finals even though they should. Luka and Kyrie is a better storyline in their eyes.


Yeah,... I thought they called a similar number of fouls on both sides,... but they weren't calling the shooting fouls on the Celtics, hence the disparity in the free throws. a rough estimate (cause I don't have all the detail stats) but still,... Celts were called for a shooting foul on 37% of their fouls. Pacers were called for a shooting foul on 62% of their fouls. Is this something driven by their defensive systems? Celtics fouling on the drives, further out on the floor to slow the Pacers down? idk? The parts of the game I saw, it didn't look that way, but didn't see the whole game.

Otherwise, it just looked, from what I could see, like everything we were getting called on around the rim, was a shooting foul (or an and 1, Boston is dam good at converting.) and in the same situation, on the other end, they were mostly calling the fouls on the drive & not a shooting foul? Same - same on some of those blocks & attempted blocks - clean block vs shooting foul.

The only no-call I saw that really stood out was the foul on TJ (by Jrue) that lead to the turnover. Jrue bodied TJ by putting his shoulder into him (losing his defensive stance & position in doing it), which is what knocked TJ off balance & let the ball get loose. TBF, that is in an area of the court where the observing official would have had Jrue's back to him, so it is kinda hard to see, but still.

Boston, like you said, was definitely the more physical team, at least to me in a 'clean' way, not a 'cheap-shot' kinda way. This is the playoffs going to be more physical. Almost looked like without Ty, that we ran outta gas? or maybe didn't have that extra gear that we normally have in the 4th? and Boston did have that gear. Tons of credit to Nembhard. Incredible night for him and the way he created / managed the floor for the team. He gave us every chance with Ty out.

I know, I'm a broken record,... but with 1 normal summers growth for 20 - 24 year olds,... from everybody on this team,... I like where we are going. :D
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Post#53 » by Pacers Forever » Mon May 27, 2024 12:41 am

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Pacers Forever wrote:Celtics 16-46 from 3
Pacers 5-22

I like to think that the refs don’t usually affect the outcome of games. Sometimes the calls are bad.

However tonight feels like they let Boston be more physical the third and fourth quarter and that handed the advantage to the Celtics. Pacers had issues making contested shots in the fourth quarter and that doomed them.

Credit for a hard fought game by the Pacers. Until the Pacers can say we’re a hell of a team like Tatum says about the Celtics then the Pacers don’t have enough talent to consistently win games despite all attempts to keep the small market out.

We all know the NBA has it’s narratives and they need the big market team in the finals.

I can’t imagine Minnesota making the finals even though they should. Luka and Kyrie is a better storyline in their eyes.


Yeah,... I thought they called a similar number of fouls on both sides,... but they weren't calling the shooting fouls on the Celtics, hence the disparity in the free throws. a rough estimate (cause I don't have all the detail stats) but still,... Celts were called for a shooting foul on 37% of their fouls. Pacers were called for a shooting foul on 62% of their fouls. Is this something driven by their defensive systems? Celtics fouling on the drives, further out on the floor to slow the Pacers down? idk? The parts of the game I saw, it didn't look that way, but didn't see the whole game.

Otherwise, it just looked, from what I could see, like everything we were getting called on around the rim, was a shooting foul (or an and 1, Boston is dam good at converting.) and in the same situation, on the other end, they were mostly calling the fouls on the drive & not a shooting foul? Same - same on some of those blocks & attempted blocks - clean block vs shooting foul.

The only no-call I saw that really stood out was the foul on TJ (by Jrue) that lead to the turnover. Jrue bodied TJ by putting his shoulder into him (losing his defensive stance & position in doing it), which is what knocked TJ off balance & let the ball get loose. TBF, that is in an area of the court where the observing official would have had Jrue's back to him, so it is kinda hard to see, but still.

Boston, like you said, was definitely the more physical team, at least to me in a 'clean' way, not a 'cheap-shot' kinda way. This is the playoffs going to be more physical. Almost looked like without Ty, that we ran outta gas? or maybe didn't have that extra gear that we normally have in the 4th? and Boston did have that gear. Tons of credit to Nembhard. Incredible night for him and the way he created / managed the floor for the team. He gave us every chance with Ty out.

I know, I'm a broken record,... but with 1 normal summers growth for 20 - 24 year olds,... from everybody on this team,... I like where we are going. :D


You said cheap shot way :lol: Celtics much cleaner fouling than the Knicks. Celtics get away with a lot of physical shoves in the back instead of hacking like the Knicks. Pacers problem is that they don’t switch well leaving too many open looks and they hold instead of bump down low.
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Post#54 » by JMaster5K » Mon May 27, 2024 6:09 am

Pacers Forever wrote:
JMaster5K wrote:
Pacers Forever wrote:Celtics 16-46 from 3
Pacers 5-22

I like to think that the refs don’t usually affect the outcome of games. Sometimes the calls are bad.

However tonight feels like they let Boston be more physical the third and fourth quarter and that handed the advantage to the Celtics. Pacers had issues making contested shots in the fourth quarter and that doomed them.

Credit for a hard fought game by the Pacers. Until the Pacers can say we’re a hell of a team like Tatum says about the Celtics then the Pacers don’t have enough talent to consistently win games despite all attempts to keep the small market out.

We all know the NBA has it’s narratives and they need the big market team in the finals.

I can’t imagine Minnesota making the finals even though they should. Luka and Kyrie is a better storyline in their eyes.


Yeah,... I thought they called a similar number of fouls on both sides,... but they weren't calling the shooting fouls on the Celtics, hence the disparity in the free throws. a rough estimate (cause I don't have all the detail stats) but still,... Celts were called for a shooting foul on 37% of their fouls. Pacers were called for a shooting foul on 62% of their fouls. Is this something driven by their defensive systems? Celtics fouling on the drives, further out on the floor to slow the Pacers down? idk? The parts of the game I saw, it didn't look that way, but didn't see the whole game.

Otherwise, it just looked, from what I could see, like everything we were getting called on around the rim, was a shooting foul (or an and 1, Boston is dam good at converting.) and in the same situation, on the other end, they were mostly calling the fouls on the drive & not a shooting foul? Same - same on some of those blocks & attempted blocks - clean block vs shooting foul.

The only no-call I saw that really stood out was the foul on TJ (by Jrue) that lead to the turnover. Jrue bodied TJ by putting his shoulder into him (losing his defensive stance & position in doing it), which is what knocked TJ off balance & let the ball get loose. TBF, that is in an area of the court where the observing official would have had Jrue's back to him, so it is kinda hard to see, but still.

Boston, like you said, was definitely the more physical team, at least to me in a 'clean' way, not a 'cheap-shot' kinda way. This is the playoffs going to be more physical. Almost looked like without Ty, that we ran outta gas? or maybe didn't have that extra gear that we normally have in the 4th? and Boston did have that gear. Tons of credit to Nembhard. Incredible night for him and the way he created / managed the floor for the team. He gave us every chance with Ty out.

I know, I'm a broken record,... but with 1 normal summers growth for 20 - 24 year olds,... from everybody on this team,... I like where we are going. :D


You said cheap shot way :lol: Celtics much cleaner fouling than the Knicks. Celtics get away with a lot of physical shoves in the back instead of hacking like the Knicks. Pacers problem is that they don’t switch well leaving too many open looks and they hold instead of bump down low.


All true. It is one of my ‘love - hate’ things about this game. The little details about how teams (and players) play, when consistent, add up. The hold vs bump & defensive positioning they both show, if done once or twice, can be a mistake. If done consistently, it can cost you games, even a series.

How much of that do you chalk up to youth? Having to unlearn other systems & learn Coaches? I could be wrong, but I don’t remember that as one of trade offs Coach makes as part of his defensive scheme?
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Post#55 » by boomershadow » Tue May 28, 2024 12:39 am

Jackson/Siakam/Toppin/McD/Nembhard is the kind of lineup ive been hoping to see all season. Hopefully it does okay lol.
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Post#56 » by Wizop » Tue May 28, 2024 12:41 am

Boston hot from 3 but we're only down 2 at the end of the first quarter.
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Post#57 » by Pacers Forever » Tue May 28, 2024 1:05 am

Nesmith really having trouble defending tonight giving up drives. Myles might as well be in the Bahamas. Rebounding looks bad.

Nembhard, McConnell, Toppin, and Siakam doing well.
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Post#58 » by Wizop » Tue May 28, 2024 1:10 am

Pacers Forever wrote:Rebounding looks bad.


We're ahead in rebounds.
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Post#59 » by boomershadow » Tue May 28, 2024 1:12 am

Sometimes I wonder if we look better with Jackson than Turner.
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Post#60 » by Pacers Forever » Tue May 28, 2024 1:15 am

Wizop wrote:
Pacers Forever wrote:Rebounding looks bad.


We're ahead in rebounds.


I saw that and meant to say 50 50 loose balls.

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