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Re: Cavs/Heat 

Post#21 » by DowJones » Sun May 26, 2024 12:07 am

louc1970 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
louc1970 wrote::nod:
That is mostly my point. Garland showed out before Mitchell arrived. If you take Mitchell off the team, Garland mist likely puts up those numbers again.
But with Mitchell, being ball dominant, Garland’s stats are going to suffer.
For the Cavs, I think Mitchell-Herro > Mitchell-Garland.
At the same time, I think MiMi is better with Garland than they are with Herro.
It simply team makeup, not the individual talented player.


If Herro could defend well, there would be an argument, but he can't, so there's not. This is just the Cavs losing all Garland's PG skills for nothing.

I get we don’t/won’t agree and that is fine. But if Mitchell is the primary ball handler for the Cavs, do you feel Garland or Herro is better at being the 2G?
I think it is Herro with $8mil less salary.


I think if the Cavs were to trade Darius Garland, they could do better than Tyler Herro. The key is to find a team that needs a young PG.
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Re: Cavs/Heat 

Post#22 » by JJ_PR » Sun May 26, 2024 12:33 am

louc1970 wrote:Cavs fans are perhaps the most fickle bunch.
On one side they talk about how bad Garland is/was in the playoffs. Then turn around and wonder why someone wouldn’t trade him straight up for Jokic.
Garland is good, but not any better than the average PG in the game.
The team runs better when Mitchell controls the ball and he is not a great dribbler by any means.
Getting shooters is the concept.


Hyperbole much? Tyler Herro is a role player; Garland is much better.
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Re: Cavs/Heat 

Post#23 » by Euphonetiks » Sun May 26, 2024 12:37 am

DowJones wrote:
louc1970 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
If Herro could defend well, there would be an argument, but he can't, so there's not. This is just the Cavs losing all Garland's PG skills for nothing.

I get we don’t/won’t agree and that is fine. But if Mitchell is the primary ball handler for the Cavs, do you feel Garland or Herro is better at being the 2G?
I think it is Herro with $8mil less salary.


I think if the Cavs were to trade Darius Garland, they could do better than Tyler Herro. The key is to find a team that needs a young PG.


A team that needs a young PG, that doesn’t already have a #1 who he’d have to defer to, and has the defenders to hide him.
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Re: Cavs/Heat 

Post#24 » by DowJones » Sun May 26, 2024 1:02 am

Euphonetiks wrote:
DowJones wrote:
louc1970 wrote:I get we don’t/won’t agree and that is fine. But if Mitchell is the primary ball handler for the Cavs, do you feel Garland or Herro is better at being the 2G?
I think it is Herro with $8mil less salary.


I think if the Cavs were to trade Darius Garland, they could do better than Tyler Herro. The key is to find a team that needs a young PG.


A team that needs a young PG, that doesn’t already have a #1 who he’d have to defer to, and has the defenders to hide him.


No, just a team that needs a young PG. The Cavs do not need to find the absolute perfect fit for Darius Garland to beat an offer of Tyler Herro.
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Re: Cavs/Heat 

Post#25 » by toooskies » Sun May 26, 2024 3:42 am

Euphonetiks wrote:
DowJones wrote:
louc1970 wrote:I get we don’t/won’t agree and that is fine. But if Mitchell is the primary ball handler for the Cavs, do you feel Garland or Herro is better at being the 2G?
I think it is Herro with $8mil less salary.


I think if the Cavs were to trade Darius Garland, they could do better than Tyler Herro. The key is to find a team that needs a young PG.


A team that needs a young PG, that doesn’t already have a #1 who he’d have to defer to, and has the defenders to hide him.

I have the Spurs, Lakers, Magic all reasonably interested-- teams with #1 bigs who don't want to run every play. More interested than Miami who doesn't have a great fit with Garland next to Rozier.
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Re: Cavs/Heat 

Post#26 » by phraoh » Mon May 27, 2024 2:36 pm

Garland in the right fit is an all star point guard. He just doesn't fit with Mitchell, which is the only reason Cavs are/would look to trade him pending an extension signed with Mitchell. For several teams (lakers, New Orleans, Minnesota, etc.) he would be a much better fit, resulting in more wins. Fit is much more important than fans seem to consider when making trade proposals. P.S. Garland has been an All Star. He is only 24, career 38+ 3pt %, career 18.5 pts scorer, has excellent handle, etc. Is he a perfect player, no, but he is significantly better all around player than Herro. If they trade him he will bring back some good players.

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