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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1041 » by three3d » Sun May 26, 2024 4:57 pm

Petre1978 wrote:
three3d wrote:Have there been any rumors or confirmation about who we are bringing in for workouts yet? I’m thinking it wasn’t really a good look the way we handled 2 Lottery Picks last season. Anthony Blacks agent is also Devin Carters agent so how could he in good faith be okay with his client working out for Orlando knowing what they did t his client. The Jett pick at 11 was IMO a reach so in the event you’re taking players earlier than they should be drafted that doesn’t hurt an agents POV perhaps cause it does = more money for said player and agent. But a guy like Carter who fits pretty well with what we need and draft range this could hurt.

FO doesn't leak anything.
Just rumors from Media people who want attention.
A lot of blabla!!!!

Viele Unwahrheiten, nur Gelabber!

FO not leaking anything actually leads to a question I brought up. Why did OKC jump us basically in last years draft to get Cason Wallace from Dallas with the 10th pick for Derek Livley with the 12th pick? Strange trade unless there was rumors of us taking Wallace at 11.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1042 » by Skybox » Sun May 26, 2024 5:01 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Petre1978 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Jett was ranked in the top 12 for over a year till he got injured.

GM do not forget that, silly media s mock do

I m not saying that weltman is a genius, I m saying he is better than any realgm poster, this is why he is a GM of a NBA team and why realgm posters post silly trades

Je suis totalement d'accord avec vous.


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Every GM in the league makes more mistakes than wins...it's just part of the deal, especially now when the draft is full of 19 year olds who grew up in a wild AAU system and never had to listen to a college coach who can sit their high-scoring ass down and not have them transfer, pout, or sue them.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1043 » by Petre1978 » Sun May 26, 2024 5:28 pm

three3d wrote:
Petre1978 wrote:
three3d wrote:Have there been any rumors or confirmation about who we are bringing in for workouts yet? I’m thinking it wasn’t really a good look the way we handled 2 Lottery Picks last season. Anthony Blacks agent is also Devin Carters agent so how could he in good faith be okay with his client working out for Orlando knowing what they did t his client. The Jett pick at 11 was IMO a reach so in the event you’re taking players earlier than they should be drafted that doesn’t hurt an agents POV perhaps cause it does = more money for said player and agent. But a guy like Carter who fits pretty well with what we need and draft range this could hurt.

FO doesn't leak anything.
Just rumors from Media people who want attention.
A lot of blabla!!!!

Viele Unwahrheiten, nur Gelabber!

I actually lived in Germany for 2 years while in the Army, beautiful country and really wish I had picked up more of the language and enjoyed the culture

Thank you Sir.
That's nice to hear.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1044 » by Petre1978 » Sun May 26, 2024 5:35 pm

Skybox wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Petre1978 wrote:Je suis totalement d'accord avec vous.


Danke


Ihr könnt beide falsch liegen

Every GM in the league makes more mistakes than wins...it's just part of the deal, especially now when the draft is full of 19 year olds who grew up in a wild AAU system and never had to listen to a college coach who can sit their high-scoring ass down and not have them transfer, pout, or sue them.

Du könntest auch falsch liegen....
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1045 » by RookieStar » Sun May 26, 2024 8:45 pm

three3d wrote:Have there been any rumors or confirmation about who we are bringing in for workouts yet? I’m thinking it wasn’t really a good look the way we handled 2 Lottery Picks last season. Anthony Blacks agent is also Devin Carters agent so how could he in good faith be okay with his client working out for Orlando knowing what they did t his client. The Jett pick at 11 was IMO a reach so in the event you’re taking players earlier than they should be drafted that doesn’t hurt an agents POV perhaps cause it does = more money for said player and agent. But a guy like Carter who fits pretty well with what we need and draft range this could hurt.


We actually need local posters in Orlando to camp out and stalk the facilities. Remember the Paolo draft? We didnt even know we bought Chet in until there was that video of him walking down the street. lol
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1046 » by KillMonger » Sun May 26, 2024 9:30 pm

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KillMonger wrote:Jesus man people became spoiled, they expect results right away from rookies when normally it isn't like that for most. There were people saying that Suggs was a bust initially, but with time I doubt those people are keeping that same energy these days. Calling a rook a bad pick shortly after their rookie year with no context at all? Amateur hour imo



Already labeling the Jet pick as “bad” is a stretch I agree.. but I also feel as though it’s a stretch to act like it’s a sure thing that Jett is “unleashed” upon the league next year and that all the doubters are just missing something.

Serious question - did any of the Jett “unleashed” guys actually watch full Osceola games? I definitely didn’t haha - I would love to hear more of how he looked beyond just shooting %’s though.



His size and catch and shoot three definitely look good. NGL though, in that video Jett looks like Juwan when he tries to get to the rim off the dribble in the “attacking close outs” section starting at 3:20ish. Really slow..

Total puff piece video though, it would be nice to have one posted that has critiques too

Anyone have any insight into his game outside of spot up threes? Some of the numbers don’t look amazing - 1.1 FTA on 15 FGA’s, 2.6 APG/2.0 TO.. is this just G league style of play or a scheme issue? Did his defense improve as the season went on?

It's not so much jett specifically it's just the idea that from just 1 season you can just say "this guy is a bust" that's not just a stretch man at that point you're talking reed Richard's Mr fantastic type of stretch.... Sure there are inflections you can get from year 1 but it's surely too early to say whether or not a player can end up being productive... I mean jaylen brown year 1....jimmy butler year 1..... Kawhi Leonard year 1....jj Redick..... Kyle Lowry.... On and on.... Its usually a multi year development cycle

In jett's case what makes it unfair to me is he's not even getting judged off of his play specifically. He's getting judged off of what other picks in his class are doing without context. There is no way to know if we picked someone else they wouldn't be in the same situation jett was in. There is so much context missing in these arguments
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1047 » by Skybox » Mon May 27, 2024 1:17 pm

The more I look at Stephon Castle, the more I see a young, more solidly-built Dejounte Murray. He actually, imo, also makes me think of a bigger, meaner, optimal Markelle Fultz.

In this “flat” draft, what would it take to trade up? One more ORL pick? DEN pick & a couple srps? Cole +…? And…how far up to get him?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1048 » by Petre1978 » Mon May 27, 2024 1:37 pm

KillMonger wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:
KillMonger wrote:Jesus man people became spoiled, they expect results right away from rookies when normally it isn't like that for most. There were people saying that Suggs was a bust initially, but with time I doubt those people are keeping that same energy these days. Calling a rook a bad pick shortly after their rookie year with no context at all? Amateur hour imo



Already labeling the Jet pick as “bad” is a stretch I agree.. but I also feel as though it’s a stretch to act like it’s a sure thing that Jett is “unleashed” upon the league next year and that all the doubters are just missing something.

Serious question - did any of the Jett “unleashed” guys actually watch full Osceola games? I definitely didn’t haha - I would love to hear more of how he looked beyond just shooting %’s though.



His size and catch and shoot three definitely look good. NGL though, in that video Jett looks like Juwan when he tries to get to the rim off the dribble in the “attacking close outs” section starting at 3:20ish. Really slow..

Total puff piece video though, it would be nice to have one posted that has critiques too

Anyone have any insight into his game outside of spot up threes? Some of the numbers don’t look amazing - 1.1 FTA on 15 FGA’s, 2.6 APG/2.0 TO.. is this just G league style of play or a scheme issue? Did his defense improve as the season went on?

It's not so much jett specifically it's just the idea that from just 1 season you can just say "this guy is a bust" that's not just a stretch man at that point you're talking reed Richard's Mr fantastic type of stretch.... Sure there are inflections you can get from year 1 but it's surely too early to say whether or not a player can end up being productive... I mean jaylen brown year 1....jimmy butler year 1..... Kawhi Leonard year 1....jj Redick..... Kyle Lowry.... On and on.... Its usually a multi year development cycle

In jett's case what makes it unfair to me is he's not even getting judged off of his play specifically. He's getting judged off of what other picks in his class are doing without context. There is no way to know if we picked someone else they wouldn't be in the same situation jett was in. There is so much context missing in these arguments

I am on board with you Sir.
This forum here is so much doom and gloom.
This season was a good one, the best since 2011-2012 and people complain and complain.

Some posters here should be the GM instead of Weltman.
They would surely bring multiple championships to Orlando.....

So pathetic.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1049 » by jonbob17 » Tue May 28, 2024 4:57 pm

Skybox wrote:The more I look at Stephon Castle, the more I see a young, more solidly-built Dejounte Murray. He actually, imo, also makes me think of a bigger, meaner, optimal Markelle Fultz.

In this “flat” draft, what would it take to trade up? One more ORL pick? DEN pick & a couple srps? Cole +…? And…how far up to get him?


I can't imagine Castle falling from top 5 or so. Don't think we could move that high without giving up something real. Right now I am hoping Devin Carter falls to us or far enough we could jump up a couple few spots.

This year seems like a nightmare to predict, which could be good for the Magic,...i hope.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1050 » by Skybox » Tue May 28, 2024 6:52 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
Skybox wrote:The more I look at Stephon Castle, the more I see a young, more solidly-built Dejounte Murray. He actually, imo, also makes me think of a bigger, meaner, optimal Markelle Fultz.

In this “flat” draft, what would it take to trade up? One more ORL pick? DEN pick & a couple srps? Cole +…? And…how far up to get him?


I can't imagine Castle falling from top 5 or so. Don't think we could move that high without giving up something real. Right now I am hoping Devin Carter falls to us or far enough we could jump up a couple few spots.

This year seems like a nightmare to predict, which could be good for the Magic,...i hope.


Agree...certainly couldn't execute a trade until you saw someone dropping. I'm still thinking about Terrence Shannon too.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1051 » by eyriq » Tue May 28, 2024 6:55 pm

Skybox wrote:The more I look at Stephon Castle, the more I see a young, more solidly-built Dejounte Murray. He actually, imo, also makes me think of a bigger, meaner, optimal Markelle Fultz.

In this “flat” draft, what would it take to trade up? One more ORL pick? DEN pick & a couple srps? Cole +…? And…how far up to get him?


I recommend you check out this player called Anthony Black.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1052 » by Skybox » Tue May 28, 2024 7:00 pm

eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:The more I look at Stephon Castle, the more I see a young, more solidly-built Dejounte Murray. He actually, imo, also makes me think of a bigger, meaner, optimal Markelle Fultz.

In this “flat” draft, what would it take to trade up? One more ORL pick? DEN pick & a couple srps? Cole +…? And…how far up to get him?


I recommend you check out this player called Anthony Black.


I like AB...but we need a PG :wink:
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1053 » by eyriq » Tue May 28, 2024 7:04 pm

Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:The more I look at Stephon Castle, the more I see a young, more solidly-built Dejounte Murray. He actually, imo, also makes me think of a bigger, meaner, optimal Markelle Fultz.

In this “flat” draft, what would it take to trade up? One more ORL pick? DEN pick & a couple srps? Cole +…? And…how far up to get him?


I recommend you check out this player called Anthony Black.


I like AB...but we need a PG :wink:


You accept Castle as a point guard but not Anthony Black?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1054 » by Skybox » Tue May 28, 2024 7:08 pm

eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
I recommend you check out this player called Anthony Black.


I like AB...but we need a PG :wink:


You accept Castle as a point guard but not Anthony Black?


I definitely accept Castle as more of a scoring upside Lead Guard, if not a PG...I think Black's best life is at SG next to a big-time scorer (like Trae) or, more likely (for ORL) as more of a versatile utility guy like Ingles, moving 1-3 as needed. I, at this point, have no ability to just slot him in as a starting PG as long as Suggs is starting SG.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1055 » by RookieStar » Tue May 28, 2024 9:28 pm

Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
I like AB...but we need a PG :wink:


You accept Castle as a point guard but not Anthony Black?


I definitely accept Castle as more of a scoring upside Lead Guard, if not a PG...I think Black's best life is at SG next to a big-time scorer (like Trae) or, more likely (for ORL) as more of a versatile utility guy like Ingles, moving 1-3 as needed. I, at this point, have no ability to just slot him in as a starting PG as long as Suggs is starting SG.



Curious, but what makes Castle a PG? Did he at any point at UCON play as a PG? OR are we just gonna take his word for it that he is a PG? At least with AB we saw him play the PG in ARK.

Some poster likened Castle's situation with Okoro, before the draft Okoro was proclaiming himself as a PG. Look at him now. Oh and did we forget to mention that they have the same physical profile? 6'5ish barefoot.. 6'7 to 6'9 wingspan and 220lbs?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1056 » by orlando_joe » Wed May 29, 2024 12:00 am

what about da silva?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1057 » by Nyce_1 » Wed May 29, 2024 1:38 am

orlando_joe wrote:what about da silva?

He's my top option right now. As an older prospect, I'd hope that allows him to step in right away (or sooner than later) and replace Joe in the rotation.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1058 » by Petre1978 » Wed May 29, 2024 5:26 am

Jeff will try to trade up for Devin Carter
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects Orlando Magic Should Get 

Post#1059 » by Skybox » Wed May 29, 2024 10:51 am

Petre1978 wrote:Jeff will try to trade up for Devin Carter


Probably could have had him at 18 until he aced the combine…honestly, I don’t see Weltman moving up- imo, he’s more likely to trade out or just select BPA at 18. Carter doesn’t fit the longboi profile either…which is no joke. ORL’s overall length certainly contributed to the defensive identity.
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Post#1060 » by p0peye » Wed May 29, 2024 11:00 am

Skybox wrote:
Petre1978 wrote:Jeff will try to trade up for Devin Carter


Probably could have had him at 18 until he aced the combine…honestly, I don’t see Weltman moving up- imo, he’s more likely to trade out or just select BPA at 18. Carter doesn’t fit the longboi profile either…which is no joke. ORL’s overall length certainly contributed to the defensive identity.


He is 6'3'' with 6'8'' wingspan, no?

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