Mock Offseason Part 2/6 - CHA, POR, TOR, MEM, UTA

aguiar95 · Post #1 » by **aguiar95** » Sun May 26, 2024 1:37 pm

CHA

Draft Castle at #6
Trade Bertans/Richards/'27 MIA 1st for Hunter
Signed J. Smith at 55M/4y (MLE)

Ball/Castle/Miller/Hunter/M. Williams
Micic/Mann/Martin/G. Williams/J. Smith
Smith Jr./Curry/McGowens/Thor/Pokusevski

POR

Draft Holland at #9
Draft Walter at #14
Draft Salaun at #18
Draft Edwards at #34
Trade #7 for #9/'25 MEM 1st (top 10 protected)
Trade Thybulle to UTA for worst of UTA/CLE '25 1st
Trade (3-team deal) Simons, Connaughton/#23 (da Silva) to ORL, Anthony to MIL, Howard/#18 (Salaun)/#'25 DEN 1st to POR
Trade (3-team deal) Grant/Allen/Williams III/Eubanks to LAL, Wood/Hood-Schifino/Vincent/Hachimura/Roddy/'25 LAL 1st, '26 LAL swap to POR, Russell (PO) to PHO
Waive Roddy

Henderson/Sharpe/Holland/Hachimura/Ayton
Brogdon/Vincent/Howard/Camara/Reath
Hood-Schifino/Rupert/Salaun/Edwards/Wood

TOR

Draft Missi at #19
Draft Smith at #22
Draft Jones at #31
Accept Brown TO
Trade (3-team deal): Nurkic to MEM, McDaniels/Poeltl to PHO, Little, Clarke, Williams, #22 (Smith) to TOR
Re-sign Quickley to 100M/4y
Sign Lowry (Vet. min)
Waive Freeman-Liberty

Quickley/Brown/Barrett/Barnes/Olynyk
Lowry/Agbaji/Williams/Clarke/Boucher
Dick/Little/Jones/Smith/Missi

MEM

Draft Clingan at #7

Trade #9/'25 MEM 1st (top 10 protected) for #7
Trade (3-team deal): Nurkic to MEM, McDaniels/Poeltl to PHO, Little, Clarke, Williams, #22 (Smith) to TOR
Trade Kennard/#39/#57 for Schroder

Morant/Bane/Smart/Jackson Jr./Nurkic
Schroder/Williams Jr./G.G Jackson/Aldama/Clingan
Rose/Chandler/Konchar/Watanabe

UTA

Renegotiate Markkanen contract with cap
Draft Collier at #12
Draft Sallis at #32
Trade Sexton/#10 (Williams)/'25 MIN 1st for Giddey/#12 (Collier)
Trade Worst of UTA/CLE '25 1st for Thybulle
Trade Clarkson/#29 (George) for Carter Jr.
Re-sign Lewis at 10M/2y (BAE)

Giddey/George/Markkanen/Collins/Carter Jr.
Collier/Sensabaugh/Thybulle/Hendricks/Kessler
Lewis/Sallis/Bazley/Lofton/Yurtseven

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun May 26, 2024 2:35 pm

aguiar95 wrote:CHA

Draft Castle at #6
Trade Bertans/Richards/'27 MIA 1st for Hunter
Signed J. Smith at 55M/4y (MLE)

Ball/Castle/Miller/Hunter/M. Williams
Micic/Mann/Martin/G. Williams/J. Smith
Smith Jr./Curry/McGowens/Thor/Pokusevski

POR

Draft Holland at #9
Draft Walter at #14
Draft Salaun at #18
Draft Edwards at #34
Trade #7 for #9/'25 MEM 1st (top 10 protected)
Trade Thybulle to UTA for worst of UTA/CLE '25 1st
Trade (3-team deal) Simons, Connaughton/#23 (da Silva) to ORL, Anthony to MIL, Howard/#18 (Salaun)/#'25 DEN 1st to POR
Trade (3-team deal) Grant/Allen/Williams III/Eubanks to LAL, Wood/Hood-Schifino/Vincent/Hachimura/Roddy/'25 LAL 1st, '26 LAL swap to POR, Russell (PO) to PHO
Waive Roddy

Henderson/Sharpe/Holland/Hachimura/Ayton
Brogdon/Vincent/Howard/Camara/Reath
Hood-Schifino/Rupert/Salaun/Edwards/Wood

TOR

Draft Missi at #19
Draft Smith at #22
Draft Jones at #31
Accept Brown TO
Trade (3-team deal): Nurkic to MEM, McDaniels/Poeltl to PHO, Little, Clarke, Williams, #22 (Smith) to TOR
Re-sign Quickley to 100M/4y
Sign Lowry (Vet. min)
Waive Freeman-Liberty

Quickley/Brown/Barrett/Barnes/Olynyk
Lowry/Agbaji/Williams/Clarke/Boucher
Dick/Little/Jones/Smith/Missi

MEM

Draft Clingan at #7

Trade #9/'25 MEM 1st (top 10 protected) for #7
Trade (3-team deal): Nurkic to MEM, McDaniels/Poeltl to PHO, Little, Clarke, Williams, #22 (Smith) to TOR
Trade Kennard/#39/#57 for Schroder

Morant/Bane/Smart/Jackson Jr./Nurkic
Schroder/Williams Jr./G.G Jackson/Aldama/Clingan
Rose/Chandler/Konchar/Watanabe

UTA

Renegotiate Markkanen contract with cap
Draft Collier at #12
Draft Sallis at #32
Trade Sexton/#10 (Williams)/'25 MIN 1st for Giddey/#12 (Collier)
Trade Worst of UTA/CLE '25 1st for Thybulle
Trade Clarkson/#29 (George) for Carter Jr.
Re-sign Lewis at 10M/2y (BAE)

Giddey/George/Markkanen/Collins/Carter Jr.
Collier/Sensabaugh/Thybulle/Hendricks/Kessler
Lewis/Sallis/Bazley/Lofton/Yurtseven

Poeltl is too much salary for phoenix

HornetJail · Post #3 » by **HornetJail** » Sun May 26, 2024 2:38 pm

nah I'll pass on that Hunter trade, and i'm not sure Smith is worth the MLE either

HadAnEffectHere · Post #4 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Sun May 26, 2024 3:08 pm

This Thybulle trade idea is so odd.

1. The Jazz don't care about defense.
2. The Jazz hate non-shooters
3. Thybulle is... just not super valuable in general?

I would also just be so sad if we traded Sexton for Giddey and lost value. Giddey has just no upside and Sexton is a much better player on both ends right now.

It feels like Giddey is projected so much to the Jazz just because he's white and a weird creep.

Also, did you mean Dunn instead of Lewis? Kira Lewis Jr is headed out of the league, he's finished after all the injuries.

SkyHook · Post #5 » by **SkyHook** » Sun May 26, 2024 4:30 pm

aguiar95 wrote:UTA

Renegotiate Markkanen contract with cap
Draft Collier at #12
Draft Sallis at #32
Trade Sexton/#10 (Williams)/'25 MIN 1st for Giddey/#12 (Collier)
Trade Worst of UTA/CLE '25 1st for Thybulle
Trade Clarkson/#29 (George) for Carter Jr.
Re-sign Lewis at 10M/2y (BAE)

Giddey/George/Markkanen/Collins/Carter Jr.
Collier/Sensabaugh/Thybulle/Hendricks/Kessler
Lewis/Sallis/Bazley/Lofton/Yurtseven

Setting aside the fact that I in no way want Giddey on the Jazz, I don't see any possibility of Utah being the team that needs to add incentive in a deal for Sexton.

aguiar95 · Post #6 » by **aguiar95** » Sun May 26, 2024 4:31 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Poeltl is too much salary for phoenix

Sorry, it'll be adressed in the PHO part. I have them trading also Allen/Little and getting D-Lo. McDaniels would go in their TPE. Poeltl for Roddy/Nurkic/#22 is enough.

Godaddycurse · Post #7 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun May 26, 2024 4:32 pm

aguiar95 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Poeltl is too much salary for phoenix

Sorry, it'll be adressed in the PHO part. I have them trading also Allen/Little and getting D-Lo. McDaniels would go in their TPE. Poeltl for Roddy/Nurkic/#22 is enough.

They cant aggregate salary

SkyHook · Post #8 » by **SkyHook** » Sun May 26, 2024 4:33 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:1. The Jazz don't care about defense.
Nonsense

2. The Jazz hate non-shooters
Nonsense

JRoy · Post #9 » by **JRoy** » Sun May 26, 2024 5:31 pm

I hate all of this for POR.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #10 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Sun May 26, 2024 5:57 pm

SkyHook wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:1. The Jazz don't care about defense.
Nonsense

2. The Jazz hate non-shooters
Nonsense

At some point, Hardy will have to show any indication that he cares at all about defense.

Sending everyone in to offensive rebound and just conceding transition.

Benching Kris Dunn for Keyonte George... Benching Walker Kessler for John Collins...

Nothing really makes a lot of sense unless Hardy just doesn't think defense matters.

AingesBurner · Post #11 » by **AingesBurner** » Sun May 26, 2024 6:10 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:1. The Jazz don't care about defense.
Nonsense

2. The Jazz hate non-shooters
Nonsense

At some point, Hardy will have to show any indication that he cares at all about defense.

Sending everyone in to offensive rebound and just conceding transition.

Benching Kris Dunn for Keyonte George... Benching Walker Kessler for John Collins...

Nothing really makes a lot of sense unless Hardy just doesn't think defense matters.

Keyonte needs experience and Jazz were building Collins value for potential flip.

BarbaGrizz · Post #12 » by **BarbaGrizz** » Sun May 26, 2024 7:38 pm

aguiar95 wrote:MEM

Draft Clingan at #7

Trade #9/'25 MEM 1st (top 10 protected) for #7
Trade (3-team deal): Nurkic to MEM, McDaniels/Poeltl to PHO, Little, Clarke, Williams, #22 (Smith) to TOR
Trade Kennard/#39/#57 for Schroder

Morant/Bane/Smart/Jackson Jr./Nurkic
Schroder/Williams Jr./G.G Jackson/Aldama/Clingan
Rose/Chandler/Konchar/Watanabe

Can´t seen Memphis trading up to draft Clingan AND trading for Nurkic. Trading for Schroder also don´t make much sense

esvl · Post #13 » by **esvl** » Sun May 26, 2024 7:54 pm

Please stop sending Clingan to Memphis

babyjax13 · Post #14 » by **babyjax13** » Sun May 26, 2024 8:37 pm

I think the Toronto part makes a lot of sense for them directionally. I also like where Portland ends up and I think there is a way to get them similarly situated.

Myth · Post #15 » by **Myth** » Sun May 26, 2024 11:15 pm

JRoy wrote:I hate all of this for POR.

I hate the PDX/Lakers trade, lukewarm on the Magic Blazers trade, and I do the other 2.

tester551 · Post #16 » by **tester551** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:01 am

JRoy wrote:I hate all of this for POR.

Disagree. Some of this is really good.... maybe just overdone.

aguiar95 wrote:POR
Draft Holland at #9
Trade #7 for #9/'25 MEM 1st (top 10 protected)

This is a win IMO. Completely on board here

aguiar95 wrote:POR
Trade Thybulle to UTA for worst of UTA/CLE '25 1st

This is a good trade too.

aguiar95 wrote:POR
Draft Walter at #14
Draft Salaun at #18
Draft Edwards at #34

I don't love these picks. I think there is much better talent available at these spots. Salaun at #18 is fine, but I think Portland needs a good backup C (Edey, Ware, or Missi)
I didn't see what happened to #40, but I'm assuming it got traded.

aguiar95 wrote:POR
Trade (3-team deal) Simons, Connaughton/#23 (da Silva) to ORL, Anthony to MIL, Howard/#18 (Salaun)/#'25 DEN 1st to POR

Trade (3-team deal) Grant/Allen/Williams III/Eubanks to LAL, Wood/Hood-Schifino/Vincent/Hachimura/Roddy/'25 LAL 1st, '26 LAL swap to POR, Russell (PO) to PHO

The Orlando trade is decent. Its passible, but Id rather go with one of the other variations that have been proposed on these boards.

Grason Allen can't be traded until November due to an extension. I like the Grant to LAL framework with Rui and picks coming back, but this trade is too big.

Cappy_Smurf · Post #17 » by **Cappy_Smurf** » Mon May 27, 2024 8:10 am

SkyHook wrote: in no way want Giddey on the Jazz.

Myth · Post #18 » by **Myth** » Mon May 27, 2024 11:37 am

Cappy_Smurf wrote:
SkyHook wrote: in no way want Giddey on the Jazz.

But Karl Malone could become his mentor

SkyHook · Post #19 » by **SkyHook** » Tue May 28, 2024 3:16 am

Myth wrote:
Cappy_Smurf wrote:
SkyHook wrote: in no way want Giddey on the Jazz.

But Karl Malone could become his mentor

This is certainly one of the reasons. There's always going to be a joker with an idiotic [expletive redacted] take. I have to say that this time it's somewhat ironic given that the Jailblazers era wasn't that long ago.

JRoy · Post #20 » by **JRoy** » Tue May 28, 2024 3:21 am

SkyHook wrote:
Myth wrote:
Cappy_Smurf wrote:

But Karl Malone could become his mentor

This is certainly one of the reasons. There's always going to be a joker with an idiotic [expletive redacted] take. I have to say that this time it's somewhat ironic given that the Jailblazers era wasn't that long ago.

It was 20 years ago.