Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

twix2500 · Post #301 » by **twix2500** » Sun May 26, 2024 11:07 pm

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So Garland has more trade value than Herro?

Kobewade11 · Post #302 » by **Kobewade11** » Sun May 26, 2024 11:41 pm

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So Garland has more trade value than Herro?

The lone pg on their roster is Jose Alvarado, not sure why they'd be more interested in Herro than Garland.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #303 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon May 27, 2024 3:17 am

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So Garland has more trade value than Herro?

Surely you don’t think Herro is better than Garland

Flash4thewin · Post #304 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon May 27, 2024 4:30 am

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So Garland has more trade value than Herro?

Yes

VaDe255 · Post #305 » by **VaDe255** » Mon May 27, 2024 6:42 am

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So Garland has more trade value than Herro?

Surely you don’t think Herro is better than Garland

Garland had a horrible year and is paid 163m/4y.
Not sure who wants to pay Garland 40m+ (on top he has a 15% trade kicker that might add more money to pay).

I rather have Herro on his contract 93m/3y.

marson · Post #306 » by **marson** » Mon May 27, 2024 10:37 am

Kind of amazing Wade won a ring already on his 3rd year as the MAIN GUY, he got Shaq, but that was an over the hill Shaq and as a 2nd option.

Compared to his pears (Main guys) when they struggle early on their career:

Kobe - won in 13th season '09 (first 3 don't count as Shaq is the main guy)
Curry - won in 6th season
LeBron - won in 9th season
Jokic - won in 9th season
KD - won in 10th season
Jordan - won in 7th season
Dirk - won in 13th season
KG - won in 13th season

Magic won in his rookie year, but the main guy is still Kareem.

Tim Duncan on the other hand also won in his rookie year, and It's tough to say who is the main guy in that '99 Spurs

EDIT: Tim Duncan did not win in his rookie season. That makes Wade run in '06 pretty special versus the Heatles championships.

NightWatch · Post #307 » by **NightWatch** » Mon May 27, 2024 11:37 am

Mavs really surprised me thus far. I was expecting Minn 4-2 this series. Min has a pretty strong roster and somehow they couldn't win one game against the Mavs

Post #308 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon May 27, 2024 11:47 am

NightWatch wrote:Mavs really surprised me thus far. I was expecting Minn 4-2 this series. Min has a pretty strong roster and somehow they couldn't win one game against the Mavs

KAT has been feces. You dont get big output from your stars and you lose. Its been close despite the series lead. A bit more big boy plays from Towns and it could be 3-0 Minny.

Flash4thewin · Post #309 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:28 pm

marson wrote:Kind of amazing Wade won a ring already on his 3rd year as the MAIN GUY, he got Shaq, but that was an over the hill Shaq and as a 2nd option.

Compared to his pears (Main guys) when they struggle early on their career:

Kobe - won in 13th season '09 (first 3 don't count as Shaq is the main guy)
Curry - won in 6th season
LeBron - won in 9th season
Jokic - won in 9th season
KD - won in 10th season
Jordan - won in 7th season
Dirk - won in 13th season
KG - won in 13th season

Magic won in his rookie year, but the main guy is still Kareem.

Tim Duncan on the other hand also won in his rookie year, and It's tough to say who is the main guy in that '99 Spurs

EDIT: Tim Duncan did not win in his rookie season. That makes Wade run in '06 pretty special versus the Heatles championships.

That’s a lot of revisionist history. Shaq was playing like an MVP here, he was robbed of an MVP by Nash in one of the tightest races.

contract · Post #310 » by **contract** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:35 pm

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So Garland has more trade value than Herro?

I would imagine so. They score about the same, and Garland is more efficient and can actually handle the ball.

marson · Post #311 » by **marson** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:38 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
marson wrote:Kind of amazing Wade won a ring already on his 3rd year as the MAIN GUY, he got Shaq, but that was an over the hill Shaq and as a 2nd option.

Compared to his pears (Main guys) when they struggle early on their career:

Kobe - won in 13th season '09 (first 3 don't count as Shaq is the main guy)
Curry - won in 6th season
LeBron - won in 9th season
Jokic - won in 9th season
KD - won in 10th season
Jordan - won in 7th season
Dirk - won in 13th season
KG - won in 13th season

Magic won in his rookie year, but the main guy is still Kareem.

Tim Duncan on the other hand also won in his rookie year, and It's tough to say who is the main guy in that '99 Spurs

EDIT: Tim Duncan did not win in his rookie season. That makes Wade run in '06 pretty special versus the Heatles championships.

That’s a lot of revisionist history. Shaq was playing like an MVP here, he was robbed of an MVP by Nash in one of the tightest races.

Not anymore in '06 Finals. Shaq only averaged 13/10 in the Mavs series and clearly the 2nd option behind Wade and was the start of his downhill imo compared to his '05 season stats 22.9 points, 10.4 rebounds and 2.7 assists

'05 is a stretch but Steve Nash deserves that.

Post #312 » by **Wiltside** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:40 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
NightWatch wrote:Mavs really surprised me thus far. I was expecting Minn 4-2 this series. Min has a pretty strong roster and somehow they couldn't win one game against the Mavs

KAT has been feces. You dont get big output from your stars and you lose. Its been close despite the series lead. A bit more big boy plays from Towns and it could be 3-0 Minny.

Feces is such a descriptive word. It’s so much worse than chit :laugh:

But yes, KAT has been turd personified.

Post #313 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:51 pm

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Lots of smoke of Garland to the Pels for Ingram. I do like Ingram filling that SF spot on the Cavs with Strus moving back to the two spot. Murray imo is a better fit on the Pels but with them possibly going with Risacher they don’t need Ingram. Obviously if Mitchell don’t resign it causes a ripple effect in all these deals.

Post #314 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:53 pm

Wiltside wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
NightWatch wrote:Mavs really surprised me thus far. I was expecting Minn 4-2 this series. Min has a pretty strong roster and somehow they couldn't win one game against the Mavs

KAT has been feces. You dont get big output from your stars and you lose. Its been close despite the series lead. A bit more big boy plays from Towns and it could be 3-0 Minny.

Feces is such a descriptive word. It’s so much worse than chit

But yes, KAT has been turd personified.

Give credit to that dog PJW for locking him up. Mavs traded Williams, Curry, 2027 1st and 2 2nds for him. Sucks always getting beat out in trades.

contract · Post #315 » by **contract** » Mon May 27, 2024 12:55 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
marson wrote:Kind of amazing Wade won a ring already on his 3rd year as the MAIN GUY, he got Shaq, but that was an over the hill Shaq and as a 2nd option.

Compared to his pears (Main guys) when they struggle early on their career:

Kobe - won in 13th season '09 (first 3 don't count as Shaq is the main guy)
Curry - won in 6th season
LeBron - won in 9th season
Jokic - won in 9th season
KD - won in 10th season
Jordan - won in 7th season
Dirk - won in 13th season
KG - won in 13th season

Magic won in his rookie year, but the main guy is still Kareem.

Tim Duncan on the other hand also won in his rookie year, and It's tough to say who is the main guy in that '99 Spurs

EDIT: Tim Duncan did not win in his rookie season. That makes Wade run in '06 pretty special versus the Heatles championships.

That’s a lot of revisionist history. Shaq was playing like an MVP here, he was robbed of an MVP by Nash in one of the tightest races.

Shaq was nonetheless over the hill. Peak Shaq was years earlier. He kept himself in half decent shape for a minute here, but then he went back to liking food more than winning. His games fell, his minutes fell, his points and rebounds dropped, his efficiency dropped. He was still dominant, but not nearly the same player game to game. Shaq's issue here wasn't that he wasn't good anymore, it's that he quit giving a damn and let his body and his performance go to hell.

contract · Post #316 » by **contract** » Mon May 27, 2024 1:07 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Wiltside wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
KAT has been feces. You dont get big output from your stars and you lose. Its been close despite the series lead. A bit more big boy plays from Towns and it could be 3-0 Minny.

Feces is such a descriptive word. It’s so much worse than chit

But yes, KAT has been turd personified.

Give credit to that dog PJW for locking him up. Mavs traded Williams, Curry, 2027 1st and 2 2nds for him. Sucks always getting beat out in trades.

Did the two 2nds go Hornets to Mavs or Mavs to Hornets?

According to basketball-reference.com, it went like this ...

February 8, 2024: (P.J. Washington) Traded by the Charlotte Hornets with a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Dallas Mavericks for Seth Curry, Grant Williams and a 2027 1st round draft pick ( was later selected). Dallas also received a trade exception 2024 2nd-rd pick is BOS own 2028 2nd-rd pick is least favorable Charlotte also received a trade exception 2027 protected 1st-rd pick is DAL own

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/washipj01.html#all_transactions

MartyConlonJr · Post #317 » by **MartyConlonJr** » Mon May 27, 2024 1:07 pm

On the Shaq stuff - he was still pretty dominant in every series up till the finals. Not sure Wade gets there without Shaq putting up about 20 ppg, 10 rpg, 2 bpg. But Wade definitely came into his own on the biggest stage and Shaq was a footnote. But the very next season Shaq was done (well he had a small resurgence with Phoenix after)

AirP. · Post #318 » by **AirP.** » Mon May 27, 2024 1:45 pm

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AirP. · Post #319 » by **AirP.** » Mon May 27, 2024 1:53 pm

contract wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
marson wrote:Kind of amazing Wade won a ring already on his 3rd year as the MAIN GUY, he got Shaq, but that was an over the hill Shaq and as a 2nd option.

Compared to his pears (Main guys) when they struggle early on their career:

Kobe - won in 13th season '09 (first 3 don't count as Shaq is the main guy)
Curry - won in 6th season
LeBron - won in 9th season
Jokic - won in 9th season
KD - won in 10th season
Jordan - won in 7th season
Dirk - won in 13th season
KG - won in 13th season

Magic won in his rookie year, but the main guy is still Kareem.

Tim Duncan on the other hand also won in his rookie year, and It's tough to say who is the main guy in that '99 Spurs

EDIT: Tim Duncan did not win in his rookie season. That makes Wade run in '06 pretty special versus the Heatles championships.

That’s a lot of revisionist history. Shaq was playing like an MVP here, he was robbed of an MVP by Nash in one of the tightest races.

Shaq was nonetheless over the hill. Peak Shaq was years earlier. He kept himself in half decent shape for a minute here, but then he went back to liking food more than winning. His games fell, his minutes fell, his points and rebounds dropped, his efficiency dropped. He was still dominant, but not nearly the same player game to game. Shaq's issue here wasn't that he wasn't good anymore, it's that he quit giving a damn and let his body and his performance go to hell.

This Shaq... although not his prime still looked pretty dominant because of his size and athletic ability for his size.

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greg4012 · Post #320 » by **greg4012** » Mon May 27, 2024 2:10 pm

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Lots of smoke of Garland to the Pels for Ingram. I do like Ingram filling that SF spot on the Cavs with Strus moving back to the two spot. Murray imo is a better fit on the Hawks but with them possibly going with Risacher they don’t need Ingram. Obviously if Mitchell don’t resign it causes a ripple effect in all these deals.

Mitchell’s decision on whether to extend with Cleveland or not this offseason is looking like it will have a major impact (including 2nd order consequences) on Miami’s potential avenues to really improve this offseason.

Many may not be high on any potential Ingram trade. But, suddenly having Mitchell off the table AND losing Ingram as a fallback option would really deplete the potential high impact offensive trade options.

Pls Don. Impose your will.