Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player?

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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#41 » by GSP » Mon May 27, 2024 1:25 am

RiRuHoops wrote:When Shai and Canada beat USA in the Olympics maybe then the OP will realize that Shai is a foreign player.


Not Olympics but they beat us for bronze in Fiba last year and Sga was better than any of the players we had there by far including Ant

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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#42 » by ForeverTFC » Mon May 27, 2024 1:29 am

First of all, Shai only did his last 2 years of high school in Tennessee. Second, Steve Nash is an international player, he is Canadian.

What point are you trying to make exactly?
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#43 » by Black Jack » Mon May 27, 2024 1:31 am

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SomeBunghole wrote:The real question is why the NBA, having had a team in Canada for almost 30 years now, still considers the league to be an "American" one? And classifies Canadians with Europeans and South Americans as international players?


Most of Canada lives in Toronto which is basically right next to Buffalo NY. It's silly to pretend there's much difference anyway. It's just an imaginary line.


What ? Toronto Metro is 6.6 mil, while whole Canada is 39 mil. I'm outraged by your ignorant statement and I'm not even a Canadian


Fine I was wrong. But still, "just over 60 percent of Canadians live in just two provinces: Ontario and Quebec."

Basically they mostly live right next to the US. calling it "foreign" is stretching it. It's just an imaginary line.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#44 » by disoblige » Mon May 27, 2024 1:33 am

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Most of Canada lives in Toronto which is basically right next to Buffalo NY. It's silly to pretend there's much difference anyway. It's just an imaginary line.


What ? Toronto Metro is 6.6 mil, while whole Canada is 39 mil. I'm outraged by your ignorant statement and I'm not even a Canadian


Fine I was wrong. But still, "just over 60 percent of Canadians live in just two provinces: Ontario and Quebec."

Basically they mostly live right next to the US. calling it "foreign" is stretching it. It's just an imaginary line.

It's not an imaginary line. It's a country's border. Like's your house's border from your neighbor.

US lives next to Mexico. Do you consider people living there foreign?
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#45 » by Nuntius » Mon May 27, 2024 1:34 am

RiRuHoops wrote:
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SomeBunghole wrote:The real question is why the NBA, having had a team in Canada for almost 30 years now, still considers the league to be an "American" one? And classifies Canadians with Europeans and South Americans as international players?


Most of Canada lives in Toronto which is basically right next to Buffalo NY. It's silly to pretend there's much difference anyway. It's just an imaginary line.


What ? Toronto Metro is 6.6 mil, while whole Canada is 39 mil. I'm outraged by your ignorant statement and I'm not even a Canadian


His statement isn't even accurate for Ontario, the province in which the Toronto Metro is located.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#46 » by RiRuHoops » Mon May 27, 2024 1:39 am

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Most of Canada lives in Toronto which is basically right next to Buffalo NY. It's silly to pretend there's much difference anyway. It's just an imaginary line.


What ? Toronto Metro is 6.6 mil, while whole Canada is 39 mil. I'm outraged by your ignorant statement and I'm not even a Canadian


Fine I was wrong. But still, "just over 60 percent of Canadians live in just two provinces: Ontario and Quebec."

Basically they mostly live right next to the US. calling it "foreign" is stretching it. It's just an imaginary line.


Quebec is French speaking majorly. Does it sound like USA to you? Doesn't get any more foreign than that to me.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#47 » by picko » Mon May 27, 2024 2:03 am

The only reason that calling SGA a foreign player is weird is because Canada has a team in the NBA.
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Post#48 » by wegotthabeet » Mon May 27, 2024 2:43 am

disoblige wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:should canada just merge with the US?


We have different laws and way of life.



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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#49 » by durden_tyler » Mon May 27, 2024 3:02 am

Americans just want to own (or invade) everything. LOL.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#50 » by SomeBunghole » Mon May 27, 2024 3:04 am

RiRuHoops wrote:Where do you get this that NBA think of themselves as American. I'm pretty sure they display 2 flags up under the ceiling in all NBA arenas (US and CAN)


I mean, the official website of the NBA talks about international players before the start of every season and Canadians are included as international players. This is far from the only example.

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-international-players-2023-24
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#51 » by CarMalone » Mon May 27, 2024 3:06 am

disoblige wrote:
RiRuHoops wrote:
Isn't he Taiwanese? Taiwan isn't really part of China.


Please don't bring this up to Chinese folks. The majority think they own Taiwan. You may enrage certain people. If this opinion gains traction, their government will invade it.

Not to derail but mainland China is the People's Republic of China while Taiwan is the Republic of China. Both governments claim to be the legitimate government of all of China. Taiwan's official capital is Nanjing on the mainland. Taiwan's constitution states "We are China" and it held China's seat in the UN, represented China at the Olympics, and was recognized as the real China by the US until the 1970's.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#52 » by disoblige » Mon May 27, 2024 3:11 am

CarMalone wrote:
disoblige wrote:
RiRuHoops wrote:
Isn't he Taiwanese? Taiwan isn't really part of China.


Please don't bring this up to Chinese folks. The majority think they own Taiwan. You may enrage certain people. If this opinion gains traction, their government will invade it.

Not to derail but mainland China is the People's Republic of China while Taiwan is the Republic of China. Both governments claim to be the legitimate government of all of China. Taiwan's official capital is Nanjing on the mainland. Taiwan's constitution states "We are China" and it held China's seat in the UN, represented China at the Olympics, and was recognized as the real China by the US until the 1970's.


It’s like Russia and Ukraine. Russia thinks Ukraine belongs to them and other opinion doesn’t matter to them. This applies to China. They don’t give a ****. Will invade it to prove their point.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#53 » by bushybrah_ » Mon May 27, 2024 3:15 am

zike_42 wrote:Because he plays for Canada? I've always seen Nash as international because he played for Canada. Ewing and Duncan are seen as American because they played for USA. I go off their national team representation.



That…doesn’t make any sense. There’s a lot of players that could play for the country they were born in, and there’s players who play for the country their parents were born in. Or some that just have citizenship for said country.

Playing for country = automatically means international?
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Post#54 » by Lalouie » Mon May 27, 2024 3:20 am

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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#55 » by CarMalone » Mon May 27, 2024 3:28 am

disoblige wrote:
CarMalone wrote:
disoblige wrote:
Please don't bring this up to Chinese folks. The majority think they own Taiwan. You may enrage certain people. If this opinion gains traction, their government will invade it.

Not to derail but mainland China is the People's Republic of China while Taiwan is the Republic of China. Both governments claim to be the legitimate government of all of China. Taiwan's official capital is Nanjing on the mainland. Taiwan's constitution states "We are China" and it held China's seat in the UN, represented China at the Olympics, and was recognized as the real China by the US until the 1970's.


It’s like Russia and Ukraine. Russia thinks Ukraine belongs to them and other opinion doesn’t matter to them. This applies to China. They don’t give a ****. Will invade it to prove their point.

Ukraine is recognized by the international community as a sovereign country and has a seat in the UN. Taiwan is only recognized by a handful of Caribbean countries and claims to be the true China. The US does not even recognize Taiwan and adheres to the “one China policy”. Not similar at all. Up until the 1970’s, Taiwan was planning to invade mainland China and the US was willing to support such an invasion to restore the KMT as the legitimate government of China.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#56 » by greekman » Mon May 27, 2024 3:28 am

sga went to high school in canada. he switched high schools just before finishing in order to play 'better competition'. he played murray, wiggins, and brooks in competition in canada.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#57 » by disoblige » Mon May 27, 2024 3:35 am

CarMalone wrote:
disoblige wrote:
CarMalone wrote:Not to derail but mainland China is the People's Republic of China while Taiwan is the Republic of China. Both governments claim to be the legitimate government of all of China. Taiwan's official capital is Nanjing on the mainland. Taiwan's constitution states "We are China" and it held China's seat in the UN, represented China at the Olympics, and was recognized as the real China by the US until the 1970's.


It’s like Russia and Ukraine. Russia thinks Ukraine belongs to them and other opinion doesn’t matter to them. This applies to China. They don’t give a ****. Will invade it to prove their point.

Ukraine is recognized by the international community as a sovereign country and has a seat in the UN. Taiwan is only recognized by a handful of Caribbean countries and claims to be the true China. The US does not even recognize Taiwan and adheres to the “one China policy”. Not similar at all. Up until the 1970’s, Taiwan was planning to invade mainland China and the US was willing to support such an invasion to restore the KMT as the legitimate government of China.


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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#58 » by srhcan » Mon May 27, 2024 4:10 am

LockoutSeason wrote:Shai was born in Canada, went to high school in Tennessee and played college ball at Kentucky. How this any different than Patrick Ewing, who was born in Jamaica, went to high school in Massachusetts and played college ball at Georgetown? Why isn’t Ewing considered an international player?

Why aren’t Steve Nash and Tim Duncan considered international players? Nash was born in South Africa and raised in Canada. Duncan was born and raised in the Virgin Islands. Shouldn’t they be apart of the so-called “international takeover” that I keep hearing about?

Seems like most people don’t consider them foreign since played in the NCAA. Yet Embiid, Sabonis, and Shai all played in the NCAA and are all considered foreign players.

I’ve even seen people call Karl Towns an international player because his mom is Dominican, even though he was was born and raised in New Jersey. So should Kareem be considered an international player since his parents are from Trinidad?

We might as well call Shaq an international player since his stepdad is Jamaican.

It seems like the definition of “international” has been changed to inflate the dominance of foreign players on today’s league. Jokic, Luka, and Giannis are the only purely foreign superstars in the league right now.

Any player who was brought up in US school & college system, should not be considered an international player. So I dont consider Shai an international player.
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#59 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon May 27, 2024 4:45 am

The real question is why Embiid is considered an international player
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Re: Why is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander considered an “international” player? 

Post#60 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon May 27, 2024 5:52 am

Black Jack wrote:
RiRuHoops wrote:
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Most of Canada lives in Toronto which is basically right next to Buffalo NY. It's silly to pretend there's much difference anyway. It's just an imaginary line.


What ? Toronto Metro is 6.6 mil, while whole Canada is 39 mil. I'm outraged by your ignorant statement and I'm not even a Canadian


Fine I was wrong. But still, "just over 60 percent of Canadians live in just two provinces: Ontario and Quebec."

Basically they mostly live right next to the US. calling it "foreign" is stretching it. It's just an imaginary line.


lol lol brother, Quebec is the one place on this side of hemisphere that's closest to Europe or "foreign" I agree tho, it is all just an imaginary line.
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