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Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle?

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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#281 » by Adelheid » Mon May 27, 2024 4:36 am

robillionaire wrote::nod:
sol537 wrote:Is KAT a great shooter? Yes. Is he a talented basketball player? Yes.

HOWEVER... his bball IQ on offense and defense is relatively low. He gets lost on rotations often and makes dumb fouls at the worst times. Then, on offense, he takes a lot of forced/bad shots... ie momentum killing shots. The cherry on top is his interviews and mindset... just listening to him, you get the sense that he's not a championship caliber player. He'll fold on the biggest stage more times than not. The Wolves would be wise to try to move him for better pieces... heck, they should go all in for Spida and send KAT and some picks to get it done. Spida + Gobert + Ant + McDaniels + Reid actually has a terrific chance of winning. KAT will continue to disappoint in this series despite his clear size/talent advantage over Washington. He lacks the dog in him...


I agree with a lot of that. I think here he would do well because Brunson is the 1A guy here so he doesn’t have to be that on offense here, and also with defenders like OG and if Mitch is still here to play the matchups with him and just the general scheme and culture for motivation I don’t think be a major liability on that end at all. He defended Jokic ok. Meanwhile he provides elite level shooting for a big man. His advanced stats have always been solid. Hartenstein and Mitch do not provide offense and while Randle is a very talented offensive player in general his shooting at times often leaves a lot to be desired. Randle also needs a lot of touches and isolation in order to do his thing, we have had success with that at times, but with towns we could really spread the floor. I think it would be great. There could be some matchups where we play him at the 4 for shooting with Mitch as rim protection and others where we can use him at the 5

Everyone knows I am a Randle fan, I do think towns is slightly better due to his outside shooting and the value that has in the modern nba but it’s only marginally better. There are some aspects Randle is better in. And there’s the continuity. I’d be sad to see Randle go after his run here

Randle and Bojan would work in a trade for him but I wouldn’t tack on very much else . Randle has value as a 3x all star. But eventually we gotta pay him again. If they decide to move him for a trade this would be a viable target


rob, the argument here most likely is that, for the salary that he is supposed to be paid, he has to put up all star performance nearly every game. If Randle can give you those numbers at similar consistencies for a much lower salary per, why switch?

Randle's shooting profile and locations improved as this season went on; perhaps he learned to acclimate with brunson's style
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#283 » by god shammgod » Mon May 27, 2024 9:54 am

how bout neither
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#284 » by NoStatsGuy » Mon May 27, 2024 12:16 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:seems like its kind of a hot take. but id keep randle in a straight up 1 for 1.

kat is too soft and butted heads with thibs before. randle is not affraid of contact. might be slightly less of a shooter , but KAT is not the right guy for us and i think randle is better.

KAT needed Ant and Randle needed brunson.

:eek1:

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong :lol:

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if randle drops games like that all hell breaks lose in the Knicks board on realgm
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#285 » by NoStatsGuy » Mon May 27, 2024 12:32 pm

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robillionaire wrote:
Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here


and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying


Did it work? Did they win? No, they lost. Looks like it was a bad strategy

It’s wild how this place makes these snap reactions based on 1 or 2 games like he’s now a different player than the one who just bodied Jokic the series before that or has played winning basketball all year. Now suddenly we are too good for him and can turn up our noses. Hey Brunson stunk it up in game 6 and 7 and got injured on top of that, and didn’t even make it to the conference finals, maybe he’s just a losing player. Come on man


i didnt say hes a losing player. i just said he got benched.

i dont get the double standards tho.. if randle throws up stinkers like that, even if injured, he gets torched in here. and Kat can have games/series like that and we cant make fun of him? come on man :D
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#286 » by KnicksGadfly » Mon May 27, 2024 12:33 pm

At this point, we might need to swallow our pride and just call Lebron
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#287 » by Wildcat » Mon May 27, 2024 12:36 pm

I haven't really watched the games other than box scores. What's KAT's issue? Double teaming, missing contested 3's? Or just a choke job?
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#288 » by spree2kawhi » Mon May 27, 2024 1:34 pm

NoStatsGuy wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote: :eek1:

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong :lol:

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if randle drops games like that all hell breaks lose in the Knicks board on realgm

KAT is definitely failing me here :lol:
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#289 » by spree2kawhi » Mon May 27, 2024 1:35 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:At this point, we might need to swallow our pride and just call Lebron

I thought we were building a culture of toughness here …
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#290 » by KnicksGadfly » Mon May 27, 2024 1:37 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:At this point, we might need to swallow our pride and just call Lebron

I thought we were building a culture of toughness here …


If we’re debating KAT and Randle, we’ve left that discussion behind a long time ago
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#291 » by spree2kawhi » Mon May 27, 2024 1:38 pm

robillionaire wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here


and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying


Did it work? Did they win? No, they lost. Looks like it was a bad strategy

It’s wild how this place makes these snap reactions based on 1 or 2 games like he’s now a different player than the one who just bodied Jokic the series before that or has played winning basketball all year. Now suddenly we are too good for him and can turn up our noses. Hey Brunson stunk it up in game 6 and 7 and got injured on top of that, and didn’t even make it to the conference finals, maybe he’s just a losing player. Come on man

While I agree with you on all points and also think they should’ve continued to go to him, you also cannot disregard that he was awful recently.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#292 » by RHODEY » Mon May 27, 2024 1:38 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:At this point, we might need to swallow our pride and just call Lebron

I'd rather swallow a turd.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#293 » by spree2kawhi » Mon May 27, 2024 1:43 pm

Markkanen then?
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#294 » by RHODEY » Mon May 27, 2024 1:45 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Markkanen then?

UTAH Danny Ainge factor and OKC wants him .
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#295 » by spree2kawhi » Mon May 27, 2024 1:55 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:At this point, we might need to swallow our pride and just call Lebron

I thought we were building a culture of toughness here …


If we’re debating KAT and Randle, we’ve left that discussion behind a long time ago

I don’t know, LeBron is on some other level. The guy is just such a clown, I’m not on board with this change of direction. This doesn’t even have anything to do with 2010 - I was glad he took his ass to that poser organization. He is not a fit here.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#296 » by NYKnickerbocker » Mon May 27, 2024 2:32 pm

I actually want to give Randle another shot in the playoffs as Brunson running mate. Wanna see him healthy with an actual good roster and good spacing around him and Brunson.

KAT is definitely a better shooter without a doubt, but I feel like their impacts as players for the teams is similar. We just be paying more for better shooter who slightly worse at other aspects.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#297 » by RHODEY » Mon May 27, 2024 3:23 pm

NYKnickerbocker wrote:I actually want to give Randle another shot in the playoffs as Brunson running mate. Wanna see him healthy with an actual good roster and good spacing around him and Brunson.

KAT is definitely a better shooter without a doubt, but I feel like their impacts as players for the teams is similar. We just be paying more for better shooter who slightly worse at other aspects.


When it matters (like now) he's NOT a better shooter...he's putrid. His impact now is worse than an injured Randle.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#298 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon May 27, 2024 3:41 pm

you're better off seeing what randle can do when healthy than giving up a bunch of assets for kat who isnt playing that well in the playoffs
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