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[Frank Nova]

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Don't know if he has an out... But if he did, Jerian could be an interesting player to replace Malik with.

Fotis is reaching for the Kleenex.

If Fotis still feels as strongly about Grant as he did with Hartenstein through his whole career, he might be worth a look. Lol

[SupremeHustle]

KAT and NAW for Dame.

[MickeyDavis]

No to KAT

[theFireBlanket]

No to KAT

And for Dame, not a chance in hell.

That's a T'Wolves wet dream.

[Profound23]

No to KAT

And for Dame, not a chance in hell.

That's a T'Wolves wet dream.

How about Lopez/Khris for Kat/Reid/McDaniels?

Lol...I know Minnesota isn't doing that but it we are going to throw Kat trades out there let's do ones that make us better.

[Baddy Chuck]

I'm still coming back to Moses Moody. I wonder if we could get him for #23, maybe even #33. Golden State's only pick in this years draft is 52 so if they like someone they'll have to find a way to move up. Golden State has never really found a role for him, upcoming contract talks, Podz coming in last season and supplanting him in rotation, Klay coming back? Third year guy but still only 22 next season. Strong 6'6, 7' wingspan, not amazing 36% shooter but solid and something to work with. Played some games a few seasons in the G-League where he was a VOLUME shooter (8 and 11.5 threes attempted) at a 40%+ clip. Career per 36 numbers 15/5/2/1 on 58% TS% while not really having a role in Golden State. Outside of GP2 he had the lowest DRTG on that Warriors rotation last season, solid on ball, weird stats but like top 25 in loose balls recovered and charges drawn (per minute based) probably got a bit of hustle there. He gets into the lane a lot and is pretty efficient, 18% of shots coming from 0-3 at 73% and 24% of shots coming from 3-10 at 48%. Less than 5 feet, 45% of his baskets came unassisted, a dude who can attack a closeout. Obviously not saying they're the same player but feel like he could really be a Malik Monk/Donte type breakout player in a different situation.

A lot of "every three pointer he's maybe ever made in the NBA" fluff here but also a lot of good stuff.

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[Bernman]

I'm still coming back to Moses Moody. I wonder if we could get him for #23, maybe even #33. Golden State has never really found a role for him, upcoming contract talks, Podz coming in last season and supplanting him in rotation, Klay coming back? Third year guy but still only 22 next season. Strong 6'6, 7' wingspan, not amazing 36% shooter but solid and something to work with. Played some games a few seasons in the G-League where he was a VOLUME shooter (8 and 11.5 threes attempted) at a 40%+ clip. Career per 36 numbers 15/5/2/1 on 58% TS% while not really having a role in Golden State. Outside of GP2 he had the lowest DRTG on that Warriors rotation last season, solid on ball, weird stats but like top 25 in loose balls recovered and charges drawn (per minute based) probably got a bit of hustle there. He gets into the lane a lot and is pretty efficient, 18% of shots coming from 0-3 at 73% and 24% of shots coming from 3-10 at 48%. Less than 5 feet, 45% of his baskets came unassisted, a dude who can attack a closeout. Obviously not saying they're the same player but feel like he could really be a Malik Monk type breakout player in a different situation.

A lot of "every three pointer he's maybe ever made in the NBA" fluff here but also a lot of good stuff.

You just said it yourself..trade for GP2, keep the pick(s). Draft, maybe, Tristan Da Silva, and a big at 33. Add depth.

[Baddy Chuck]

I'm still coming back to Moses Moody. I wonder if we could get him for #23, maybe even #33. Golden State has never really found a role for him, upcoming contract talks, Podz coming in last season and supplanting him in rotation, Klay coming back? Third year guy but still only 22 next season. Strong 6'6, 7' wingspan, not amazing 36% shooter but solid and something to work with. Played some games a few seasons in the G-League where he was a VOLUME shooter (8 and 11.5 threes attempted) at a 40%+ clip. Career per 36 numbers 15/5/2/1 on 58% TS% while not really having a role in Golden State. Outside of GP2 he had the lowest DRTG on that Warriors rotation last season, solid on ball, weird stats but like top 25 in loose balls recovered and charges drawn (per minute based) probably got a bit of hustle there. He gets into the lane a lot and is pretty efficient, 18% of shots coming from 0-3 at 73% and 24% of shots coming from 3-10 at 48%. Less than 5 feet, 45% of his baskets came unassisted, a dude who can attack a closeout. Obviously not saying they're the same player but feel like he could really be a Malik Monk type breakout player in a different situation.

A lot of "every three pointer he's maybe ever made in the NBA" fluff here but also a lot of good stuff.

You just said it yourself..trade for GP2, keep the pick(s). Draft, maybe, Tristan Da Silva, and a big at 33. Add depth.

Much rather have the 22 year old with potential to be more than just a 32 year old defensive role player. Also how are you getting GP2 giving up nothing? Bobby?

[midranger]

Khris (and Pat) for KAT (and NAW).

Who is saying no?

I honestly think both teams would struggle to say no.

[Bernman]

Much rather have the 22 year old with potential to be more than just a 32 year old defensive role player. Also how are you getting GP2 giving up nothing? Bobby?

I think either way, both are firmly role guys. So it's not like Moody would be a cornerstone for the future. More value as an immediate fuse piece. Thus I figure might as well get GP2, who's young enough to help now, for less.

I proposed Pat & 33 for GP2 after he was thrown in another trade proposal, then was corrected by a very ornery poster who followed the Warriors more than I this season & said I didn't even need to give up our lower pick. So just Pat?

[Fotis St]

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Don't know if he has an out... But if he did, Jerian could be an interesting player to replace Malik with.

Fotis is reaching for the Kleenex.

If Fotis still feels as strongly about Grant as he did with Hartenstein through his whole career, he might be worth a look. Lol

Yes, Grant has always been a great cheap player to have in your roster. He played amazing defense in regular season, among with efficient clutch scoring and controlling the pace. His style even when I scouted him predraft ... I was like a Euro Point Guard ... Head up, great court vision, size, picking his spots on offense, setting up teammates to score, in control with flares of great offensive game... Noonee remembers that Jerian Grant was a MVP and an NBA Summer League Champion with the Bulls. I knew I was right about him from that moment. He has the rare "Kyle Lowry switch", he can switch from a pure point guard to a scorer, plus he defends well.

[ShootingtheJ]

Khris (and Pat) for KAT (and NAW).

Who is saying no?

I honestly think both teams would struggle to say no.

Teams that need centers would make a monster offer for KAT.

Wolves need a real PG. Every KAT 3 is rushed because of there lack of playmaking. Also, Gobert made them easy to guard.

[ShootingtheJ]

Fotis is reaching for the Kleenex.

If Fotis still feels as strongly about Grant as he did with Hartenstein through his whole career, he might be worth a look. Lol

Yes, Grant has always been a great cheap player to have in your roster. He played amazing defense in regular season, among with efficient clutch scoring and controlling the pace. His style even when I scouted him predraft ... I was like a Euro Point Guard ... Head up, great court vision, size, picking his spots on offense, setting up teammates to score, in control with flares of great offensive game... Noonee remembers that Jerian Grant was a MVP and an NBA Summer League Champion with the Bulls. I knew I was right about him from that moment. He has the rare "Kyle Lowry switch", he can switch from a pure point guard to a scorer, plus he defends well.

All Euroleague players are in the league they belong in. Their last 2 MVPs came over, and were below replacement level. Grant can't even score in that league with no defense.

[Daver]

No to KAT

And for Dame, not a chance in hell.

That's a T'Wolves wet dream.

How about Lopez/Khris for Kat/Reid/McDaniels?

Lol...I know Minnesota isn't doing that but it we are going to throw Kat trades out there let's do ones that make us better.

How doing a kris trade that makes us better jfc some of these trade proposals for him are whacked

[midranger]

Probably my own ignorance and faulty memory, but I’m struggling to remember many starter level players who came to the NBA from Euroleague outside of the draft in the past 20ish years.

Is the list like:
Bojan Bogdanovich
Luis Scola
Andres Nocioni
Mirza Teletovic
Nikola mirotic

Or am I forgetting a bunch of dudes?

[midranger]

Probably my own ignorance and faulty memory, but I’m struggling to remember many starter level players who came to the NBA from Euroleague outside of the draft in the past 20ish years.

Is the list like:
Bojan Bogdanovich
Luis Scola
Andres Nocioni
Mirza Teletovic
Nikola mirotic

Or am I forgetting a bunch of dudes?

[Fotis St]

If Fotis still feels as strongly about Grant as he did with Hartenstein through his whole career, he might be worth a look. Lol

Yes, Grant has always been a great cheap player to have in your roster. He played amazing defense in regular season, among with efficient clutch scoring and controlling the pace. His style even when I scouted him predraft ... I was like a Euro Point Guard ... Head up, great court vision, size, picking his spots on offense, setting up teammates to score, in control with flares of great offensive game... Noonee remembers that Jerian Grant was a MVP and an NBA Summer League Champion with the Bulls. I knew I was right about him from that moment. He has the rare "Kyle Lowry switch", he can switch from a pure point guard to a scorer, plus he defends well.

All Euroleague players are in the league they belong in. Their last 2 MVPs came over, and were below replacement level. Grant can't even score in that league with no defense.

Dude NBA is a far superior League overall when it comes to star players ... when it comes to role players and backups, Euroleague is loaded with enough talent.

Now let me tell you why I have a superior eye talent evaluating skill than most of NBA scouts who is their job...

1st of all I have more data than most US scouts. My age (45) is ideal for a scout. Its like I have read 2 huge 40 year books since the late 80s... the NBA Book and the Euro Book. So in my mind there are more winning teams, players, role players, body types, coaches, what kind of players needed and match in a team to work properly.

2nd I have played the game as point guard. The only reason I never became pro is that I was 5'11 and decided that I must not risk my future to chase a pro basketball career on 2nd Greek division team, since my family could not afford to feed me till I make it. So I decided and found a work that still feeds me and my family. My passion for basketball never stopped, watching Giannis playing 6-7 minutes live at 03:00 am is proof of that.

So, I have the "tools" and more "data" to evaluate better than most. For example my Haliburton predraft scout was "He reminds me of Reggie Miller" - all star potential. (Baddy Chuck can check it.)

So I am someone that gives analysts like yourself 4-5 names to inform me their analytic stats so I can figure out who is better. This is what most teams are missing (Bucks included) ... The scout job, or GM job, call it whatever IS a superior skill and cannot be taught. Analysts are usefull but cannot build a roster, they don't know how to solve the puzzle of winning roster construction.

The way you downplayed the Euroleague just triggered me. So many dumb real GMs out there signing and drafting alot of players worse than alot of Euroleague players. Roster spots from 9-15 are easily comparable with Euroleague Players.

PS I know alot here are over 40 years old this is why I like posting here and respect their opinion.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yes, Grant has always been a great cheap player to have in your roster. He played amazing defense in regular season, among with efficient clutch scoring and controlling the pace. His style even when I scouted him predraft ... I was like a Euro Point Guard ... Head up, great court vision, size, picking his spots on offense, setting up teammates to score, in control with flares of great offensive game... Noonee remembers that Jerian Grant was a MVP and an NBA Summer League Champion with the Bulls. I knew I was right about him from that moment. He has the rare "Kyle Lowry switch", he can switch from a pure point guard to a scorer, plus he defends well.

All Euroleague players are in the league they belong in. Their last 2 MVPs came over, and were below replacement level. Grant can't even score in that league with no defense.

Dude NBA is a far superior League overall when it comes to star players ... when it comes to role players and backups, Euroleague is loaded with enough talent.

Now let me tell you why I have a superior eye talent evaluating skill than most of NBA scouts who is their job...

1st of all I have more data than most US scouts. My age (45) is ideal for a scout. Its like I have read 2 huge 40 year books since the late 80s... the NBA Book and the Euro Book. So in my mind there are more winning teams, players, role players, body types, coaches, what kind of players needed and match in a team to work properly.

2nd I have played the game as point guard. The only reason I never became pro is that I was 5'11 and decided that I must not risk my future to chase a pro basketball career on 2nd Greek division team, since my family could not afford to feed me till I make it. So I decided and found a work that still feeds me and my family. My passion for basketball never stopped, watching Giannis playing 6-7 minutes live at 03:00 am is proof of that.

So, I have the "tools" and more "data" to evaluate better than most. For example my Haliburton predraft scout was "He reminds me of Reggie Miller" - all star potential.

So I am someone that gives analysts like yourself 4-5 names to inform me their analytic stats so I can figure out who is better. This is what most teams are missing (Bucks included) ... The scout job, or GM job, call it whatever IS a superior skill and cannot be taught. Analysts are usefull but cannot build a roster, they don't know how to solve the puzzle of winning roster construction.

The way you downplayed the Euroleague just triggered me. So many dumb real GMs out there signing and drafting alot of players worse than alot of Euroleague players. Roster spots from 9-15 are easily comparable with Euroleague Players.

PS I know alot here are over 40 years old this is why I like posting here and respect their opinion.

Nope, I'm not sure there's a single role player over there that belongs in the NBA. Exum was the only one, but he was only there because of injuries. Fringe NBA guys now play in the G League. Sure, there's a lot of developmental players on NBA rosters, but there's multiple reasons for that.

[Profound23]

And for Dame, not a chance in hell.

That's a T'Wolves wet dream.

How about Lopez/Khris for Kat/Reid/McDaniels?

Lol...I know Minnesota isn't doing that but it we are going to throw Kat trades out there let's do ones that make us better.

How doing a kris trade that makes us better jfc some of these trade proposals for him are whacked

There are hypothetical Khris trades that would make us better and this is one of them. Again, I don't think Minnesota does it but if it were actually possible this is a no brainer.

We get younger, better athletically, and two of those guys are really good on defense.

[fansinceforever]

Wait, people here think if we traded Khris and Brook to Minny for Naz Reid, KAT & McDaniels that we would be losing the trade?

I'd consider Midds for KAT straight up but I'd rather see if there's a trade out there that brings in a couple young players who've shown potential.