2024 Playoff Trends with JJ Redick & Tim Legler (Video)

[vulture]

Man that was a deep team. If kawhi stays and OG returning I still believe they win in the bubble.

we only lost to 1 team in the entire bubble (including the regular season games) and that was boston.

I didn't realize that! Kawhi leaving was possibly the stupidest thing he did.

Yup. They crushed everyone else in the seeding games.
Even with gasol and ibaka getting older you can still go small ball with OG, pascal, kawhi, Fred, Kyle.
That’s a versatile team.

[Merit]

I am pretty sure that was the original '6'9' vision; big guys that can do everything and guard multiple positions. Unfortunately the 6'9 vision is basically having 5 LeBrons on the floor, and that is not possible.

Yeah the majority of those 6’9 guys majorly lacked skill. That’s where Masai got it wrong.

He got overly confident with his program of turning non shooters into shooters and thought he could do it to every 6'9" guy.

GS built a team around 6'4"-6'6" guys but they could all shoot and the league was trending that way so it worked for them. You could argue they created that trend but the 3pt shot has gained major significance for a while now. 4/5 guys at least need to be able to shoot 3's in modern nba.

At least now we are creating a more traditional roster

I mean, higher risk, higher reward. Masai is famous for looking at motor, length and consistent growth over time (work ethic). This is the pascal, OG and Norm recipe to a tee. If even one of those 6'9" guys with motor, length and growth also develops a shot? It's huge. Even if they're consistent chaos a la Boucher they have value.

I don't think they lacked skill eg. Justise Winslow can handle, pass and defend. Same with most of those bigger guys like Mo Gueye and Jontay. We tried with Jalen in the hopes he'd be more like Jaden. Hence Ochai - if he develops a consistent corner 3 he's Pj tucker redux but from 1-4.

IMO, they just didn't pick high enough to draft someone more certain. We're in the BPA and figure it out timeline. I don't think we're completely out of the operation 6'9" , but the draft and offseason will tell us more.

[Merit]

I am pretty sure that was the original '6'9' vision; big guys that can do everything and guard multiple positions. Unfortunately the 6'9 vision is basically having 5 LeBrons on the floor, and that is not possible.

Yeah the majority of those 6’9 guys majorly lacked skill. That’s where Masai got it wrong.

He got overly confident with his program of turning non shooters into shooters and thought he could do it to every 6'9" guy.

GS built a team around 6'4"-6'6" guys but they could all shoot and the league was trending that way so it worked for them. You could argue they created that trend but the 3pt shot has gained major significance for a while now. 4/5 guys at least need to be able to shoot 3's in modern nba.

At least now we are creating a more traditional roster

I mean, higher risk, higher reward. Masai is famous for looking at motor, length and consistent growth over time (work ethic). This is the pascal, OG and Norm recipe to a tee. If even one of those 6'9" guys with motor, length and growth also develops a shot? It's huge. Even if they're consistent chaos a la Boucher they have value.

I don't think they lacked skill eg. Justise Winslow can handle, pass and defend. Same with most of those bigger guys like Mo Gueye and Jontay. We tried with Jalen in the hopes he'd be more like Jaden. Hence Ochai - if he develops a consistent corner 3 he's Pj tucker redux but from 1-4.

IMO, they just didn't pick high enough to draft someone more certain. We're in the BPA and figure it out timeline. I don't think we're completely out of the operation 6'9" ethos, but the draft and offseason will tell us more.

[Merit]

Yeah the majority of those 6’9 guys majorly lacked skill. That’s where Masai got it wrong.

He got overly confident with his program of turning non shooters into shooters and thought he could do it to every 6'9" guy.

GS built a team around 6'4"-6'6" guys but they could all shoot and the league was trending that way so it worked for them. You could argue they created that trend but the 3pt shot has gained major significance for a while now. 4/5 guys at least need to be able to shoot 3's in modern nba.

At least now we are creating a more traditional roster

Not even just shooting but guys who can get into the paint at will and either score or kick it out. This is crucial for any winning team.

Shot creation/Bounce. Eg. DJ Carton.

[ciueli]

We aren't really following the trend they're talking about, we're still building around a core of players that aren't necessarily multidimensional. Neither of RJ or IQ are really good defenders, and Jak is a traditional big man with no post up game and no floor spacing. The only major player on the roster who has a really diverse game is Scottie, even Scottie has struggled with his shot and is not really a floor spacer.

[WuTang_CMB]

Yeah the majority of those 6’9 guys majorly lacked skill. That’s where Masai got it wrong.

He got overly confident with his program of turning non shooters into shooters and thought he could do it to every 6'9" guy.

GS built a team around 6'4"-6'6" guys but they could all shoot and the league was trending that way so it worked for them. You could argue they created that trend but the 3pt shot has gained major significance for a while now. 4/5 guys at least need to be able to shoot 3's in modern nba.

At least now we are creating a more traditional roster

I mean, higher risk, higher reward. Masai is famous for looking at motor, length and consistent growth over time (work ethic). This is the pascal, OG and Norm recipe to a tee. If even one of those 6'9" guys with motor, length and growth also develops a shot? It's huge. Even if they're consistent chaos a la Boucher they have value.

I don't think they lacked skill eg. Justise Winslow can handle, pass and defend. Same with most of those bigger guys like Mo Gueye and Jontay. We tried with Jalen in the hopes he'd be more like Jaden. Hence Ochai - if he develops a consistent corner 3 he's Pj tucker redux but from 1-4.

IMO, they just didn't pick high enough to draft someone more certain. We're in the BPA and figure it out timeline. I don't think we're completely out of the operation 6'9" , but the draft and offseason will tell us more.

I dont blame him for the approach because the versatility was key as we see in these playoffs. High level, it made a ton of a sense, just the offensive development of our guys was stagnant and we didn't have enough creators to truly make it work.

[Merit]

He got overly confident with his program of turning non shooters into shooters and thought he could do it to every 6'9" guy.

GS built a team around 6'4"-6'6" guys but they could all shoot and the league was trending that way so it worked for them. You could argue they created that trend but the 3pt shot has gained major significance for a while now. 4/5 guys at least need to be able to shoot 3's in modern nba.

At least now we are creating a more traditional roster

I mean, higher risk, higher reward. Masai is famous for looking at motor, length and consistent growth over time (work ethic). This is the pascal, OG and Norm recipe to a tee. If even one of those 6'9" guys with motor, length and growth also develops a shot? It's huge. Even if they're consistent chaos a la Boucher they have value.

I don't think they lacked skill eg. Justise Winslow can handle, pass and defend. Same with most of those bigger guys like Mo Gueye and Jontay. We tried with Jalen in the hopes he'd be more like Jaden. Hence Ochai - if he develops a consistent corner 3 he's Pj tucker redux but from 1-4.

IMO, they just didn't pick high enough to draft someone more certain. We're in the BPA and figure it out timeline. I don't think we're completely out of the operation 6'9" , but the draft and offseason will tell us more.

I dont blame him for the approach because the versatility was key as we see in these playoffs. High level, it made a ton of a sense, just the offensive development of our guys was stagnant and we didn't have enough creators to truly make it work.

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[Merit]

He got overly confident with his program of turning non shooters into shooters and thought he could do it to every 6'9" guy.

GS built a team around 6'4"-6'6" guys but they could all shoot and the league was trending that way so it worked for them. You could argue they created that trend but the 3pt shot has gained major significance for a while now. 4/5 guys at least need to be able to shoot 3's in modern nba.

At least now we are creating a more traditional roster

I mean, higher risk, higher reward. Masai is famous for looking at motor, length and consistent growth over time (work ethic). This is the pascal, OG and Norm recipe to a tee. If even one of those 6'9" guys with motor, length and growth also develops a shot? It's huge. Even if they're consistent chaos a la Boucher they have value.

I don't think they lacked skill eg. Justise Winslow can handle, pass and defend. Same with most of those bigger guys like Mo Gueye and Jontay. We tried with Jalen in the hopes he'd be more like Jaden. Hence Ochai - if he develops a consistent corner 3 he's Pj tucker redux but from 1-4.

IMO, they just didn't pick high enough to draft someone more certain. We're in the BPA and figure it out timeline. I don't think we're completely out of the operation 6'9" , but the draft and offseason will tell us more.

I dont blame him for the approach because the versatility was key as we see in these playoffs. High level, it made a ton of a sense, just the offensive development of our guys was stagnant and we didn't have enough creators to truly make it work.

Agreed. We needed shot creation, especially from the wings. We now have RJ and IQ who can create a bit. Gary isn't it yet. I think Gradey could eventually be helpful there.

[WaltFrazier]

About 16:40 JJ saying the importance of building on the margins, building around the edges of roster with minimum contracts. This is where Raptors fell down since 2020 when Gasol and Serge left.

[Scase]

About 16:40 JJ saying the importance of building on the margins, building around the edges of roster with minimum contracts. This is where Raptors fell down since 2020 when Gasol and Serge left.

This is the biggest contributing factor (IMO) as to why we have been failing for years, and the full impact of that is only being felt now.

It's ironic that he references the Raptors as a good example of this, despite it not being the case for many years at this point. It is absolutely crucial that we start finding some hidden gems, otherwise we are just going to continue to trot out an incredibly limited roster with no bench. Scottie is by far the most versatile player on the roster, and even he needs to get his shooting in a much better place.

We desperately need to start hitting on players with late picks, undrafted players, and some trades with players ready to bust out with a bigger role/development.