2024 Off-Season

[Tom White]

I also believe his injury probability would lessen since Carlisle is very much into player rotation and rest.

Anyone else have the answers or opinions ?

His injury history isn't only NBA related. He missed substantial time at IU due to injuries as well. We have had too much of a past with oft injured players to be diving back into that again.

I think it is better to stick with Nesmith at this point.

[Grang33r]

I think it is better to stick with Nesmith at this point.

Could always use Nesmith at SG.

With Nembhard and Mathurin off the bench.

[JMaster5K]

I also believe his injury probability would lessen since Carlisle is very much into player rotation and rest.

Anyone else have the answers or opinions ?

His injury history isn't only NBA related. He missed substantial time at IU due to injuries as well. We have had too much of a past with oft injured players to be diving back into that again.

I think it is better to stick with Nesmith at this point.

I'm in between on OG. He has the length, width, strength of a 4, with the short area quickness of a 3. He shoots the 3 well. He's got good efficiency. He passes the ball well, but not often. He doesn't really rebound. His defense is elite or near elite, switchable 1-4. But,.. every time I see him play, it just seems like something is lacking? Idk? He plays hard, within the framework of the team. It just feels like there are time he could or should take over a game for a stretch & it doesn't happen?

Having said that, I like his fit on the pacers. I think he would give us a 3/4 defender with good size that currently isn't on our roster. With the addition of Pascal (who I hope we resign!), not sure that OG really moves the needle for us? He's a better defender than Pascal (now), and probably everyone else on the team. We do need more defensive size, but after the way we've finished this season, I don't think he makes a major step-change over what we put on the floor in the playoffs? Better yes,.. improvement yes,.. needle moving upgrade on defense,...I'm not feeling it, would love to be wrong, but just not feeling it.

(That might change if you could start him at the 4 with continuing Nesmith, Shep, Nembhard, etc in their roles? But he doesn't have the physicality in his game for that - hence the rebounding issues, lack of post game... I would still rather have Pascal.)

If we could get him for your 20-25 Mil, sure, yes. But we would really have to do some maneuvering to make that happen, which I don't think is likely. If getting OG means not being able to resign Pascal? I think I'd stick with Nesmith and make sure to resign Pascal?

I think he is a very good player, a very good high value, starting level, core rotation piece player. For me, I don't think he's a max player (at this point), but I believe someone will pay him close to that in FA?.... He is only 26. Someone is going to bank on him becoming that consistent all star / near all star & pay him 30 - 40 M?.... If I had to guess,... ruling out NY (which I don't think anyone should at this point.) I would say Philly.

I'm doubting their PG comments,... I have to believe they have OG as one of their prime targets as a FA? Followed by Pascal? I think OG is going to be cheaper than Pascal, and fill a more immediate need for Philly. those points would make him a higher priority target for Philly. If they do sign OG,.. I would look for them to follow up with someone like Kyle Anderson? He's coming off a cheap contract around 8M? and it's reported that he doesn't get along with Gobert?

Can't check Spotrac at the moment (site is down),... but I don't think we could make the space to sign OG outright, then resign Pascal? For what I believe the current state of the FA market to be,... For the Pacers, IMO, he will be cost too much for the value he brings to the team?

[Wizop]

I'd only do OG if it were a package deal with Pascal but why would P effectively pay OG by taking a cut. note though the cap is expected to go way up in a couple of years so if dollars are locked in any tax might be temporary.

[JMaster5K]

I'd only do OG if it were a package deal with Pascal but why would P effectively pay OG by taking a cut. note though the cap is expected to go way up in a couple of years so if dollars are locked in any tax might be temporary.

Correct me if I'm wrong here Scoot?... but didn't the last CBA lock the max cap increase at 10% to prevent any future huge spikes with 'smoothing' to make sure that both sides continue to get their share?.....at some point?..... or,.. I could just need a nap,.. =/

I agree,... Pascal and OG would be an amazing situation, but,.. Spotrac is back up,... if Stix ops out & leaves,.. we waive K. Brown,.. and release our holds on all our FA except Pascal (including Ob1), then sign Pascal to his projected contract,... we are still $ 8,389,455 over the cap. So, it would have to be a S&T to get OG,... and I just don't see that happening.

[Scoot McGroot]

I'd only do OG if it were a package deal with Pascal but why would P effectively pay OG by taking a cut. note though the cap is expected to go way up in a couple of years so if dollars are locked in any tax might be temporary.

Correct me if I'm wrong here Scoot?... but didn't the last CBA lock the max cap increase at 10% to prevent any future huge spikes with 'smoothing' to make sure that both sides continue to get their share?.....at some point?..... or,.. I could just need a nap,.. =/

It did! Here’s a quick back of the napkin projection. Expand the picture in that tweet and you can see some of the carry over income and how it will ensure the 10% rises for years to come.

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I agree,... Pascal and OG would be an amazing situation, but,.. Spotrac is back up,... if Stix ops out & leaves,.. we waive K. Brown,.. and release our holds on all our FA except Pascal (including Ob1), then sign Pascal to his projected contract,... we are still $ 8,389,455 over the cap. So, it would have to be a S&T to get OG,... and I just don't see that happening.

I think it’s important to remember that OG will get a maximum salary, wherever he signs. NY is hoping he’ll take a bit less, as he wanted to go there, and he’s close to their management, which used to be his agent, but I also think his current agent is going to ensure they max him by leaking these reports that he’ll consider other offers, like Philly (gosh, wouldn’t he look perfect between Embiid and Maxey?).

[Pacers Forever]

My original post I didn’t make clear that Pascal is my number 1 target in FA. If the Pacers can’t re-sign him they will take a step backwards into mediocrity or worse.

In the current NBA you have to have 2-3 big stars to get to the finals and that’s not guaranteed. Ask the Suns.

Boston has 3.5 (Porzingis is.5)
Dallas has 2 studs
Minnesota has 3 plus vets
Pacers have 2 Tyrese and Pascal

Haliburton by himself is not enough. Haliburton plus Siakam is not even enough to dominate as we’re witnessing. Thus my contention that the Pacers need a 3rd star.

Re-thinking this situation from your input and other sources Anunoby is going to be too expensive and not cost effective to push the Pacers over the top. I don’t know who the next big acquisition should be but our youth movement is great but not enough to put us ahead of the best teams.

This season making the ECF is a HUGE achievement and a big step towards being a contender.

Problem is that the Knicks will be better next season. Celtics will remain stacked. 76ers will be adding a third star. Bucks might improve also. Heat, Cavs, Magic will probably improve their rosters.

[Wizop]

I'm a bit unsure what our time line is. do you expect to get to the finals next year or are we still a couple of years away?

Mathurin will help and if the light goes on for Walker he will too. watching Caitlin, I'm realizing that Ty needs to put the same kind of effort into figuring out how he can play better defense that he does into figuring out what to do on offense. the same is probably true of Turner and Pascal needs to be more aware of turnover risks when he tries to be the hero.

bottom line, I don't think we need to add an all star scorer. we need to improve the defense.

[JMaster5K]

My original post I didn’t make clear that Pascal is my number 1 target in FA. If the Pacers can’t re-sign him they will take a step backwards into mediocrity or worse.

In the current NBA you have to have 2-3 big stars to get to the finals and that’s not guaranteed. Ask the Suns.

Boston has 3.5 (Porzingis is.5)
Dallas has 2 studs
Minnesota has 3 plus vets
Pacers have 2 Tyrese and Pascal

Haliburton by himself is not enough. Haliburton plus Siakam is not even enough to dominate as we’re witnessing. Thus my contention that the Pacers need a 3rd star.

Re-thinking this situation from your input and other sources Anunoby is going to be too expensive and not cost effective to push the Pacers over the top. I don’t know who the next big acquisition should be but our youth movement is great but not enough to put us ahead of the best teams.

This season making the ECF is a HUGE achievement and a big step towards being a contender.

Problem is that the Knicks will be better next season. Celtics will remain stacked. 76ers will be adding a third star. Bucks might improve also. Heat, Cavs, Magic will probably improve their rosters.

Cools,... I agree with all your points. Although,... I am really curious to see, next season, how the experience of the playoffs this year changes the development of our group of youngsters? If Nesmith comes back more efficient, more consistent on both ends throughout a game? There may not be anyone we could get, that I would want to put ahead of him? Same can hold true for Nembhard, Shep, Mathurin, Toppin, & I-Jax (even Stix if he stays?).

Now that they've been there, and they have a Pascal that has already started helping them understand how to prepare for the season and the playoffs?..... Jarace hasn't played much,.. but he is going to go from 20 to 21 with all these guys around him, and the experience of playoffs this year. I know 'the timelines' may not all mesh up,.. but if everyone comes back next year with better development and focus?... I like this team.

You are right on Pascal,... we need him. Or we take a couple of year step backwards in developing this team.

[JMaster5K]

I'd only do OG if it were a package deal with Pascal but why would P effectively pay OG by taking a cut. note though the cap is expected to go way up in a couple of years so if dollars are locked in any tax might be temporary.

Correct me if I'm wrong here Scoot?... but didn't the last CBA lock the max cap increase at 10% to prevent any future huge spikes with 'smoothing' to make sure that both sides continue to get their share?.....at some point?..... or,.. I could just need a nap,.. =/

It did! Here’s a quick back of the napkin projection. Expand the picture in that tweet and you can see some of the carry over income and how it will ensure the 10% rises for years to come.

I agree,... Pascal and OG would be an amazing situation, but,.. Spotrac is back up,... if Stix ops out & leaves,.. we waive K. Brown,.. and release our holds on all our FA except Pascal (including Ob1), then sign Pascal to his projected contract,... we are still $ 8,389,455 over the cap. So, it would have to be a S&T to get OG,... and I just don't see that happening.

I think it’s important to remember that OG will get a maximum salary, wherever he signs. NY is hoping he’ll take a bit less, as he wanted to go there, and he’s close to their management, which used to be his agent, but I also think his current agent is going to ensure they max him by leaking these reports that he’ll consider other offers, like Philly (gosh, wouldn’t he look perfect between Embiid and Maxey?).

Yeah,.. agree. At this point, we have to assume that it's almost certain that OG will get a max. I think you are right,.. that this is Rose's son (OG agent) making sure he represents his client to the best of his abilities regardless of the teams involved. And,.. yes,.. he would look so dam good between T-Max and Embiid. Even at his max, they would still have room to go after 1 or 2 starting level role players. Not to mention the publicity effect and impact of stealing a max player from a local rival?.... Just makes too much sense.

[Scoot McGroot]

Correct me if I'm wrong here Scoot?... but didn't the last CBA lock the max cap increase at 10% to prevent any future huge spikes with 'smoothing' to make sure that both sides continue to get their share?.....at some point?..... or,.. I could just need a nap,.. =/

It did! Here’s a quick back of the napkin projection. Expand the picture in that tweet and you can see some of the carry over income and how it will ensure the 10% rises for years to come.

I agree,... Pascal and OG would be an amazing situation, but,.. Spotrac is back up,... if Stix ops out & leaves,.. we waive K. Brown,.. and release our holds on all our FA except Pascal (including Ob1), then sign Pascal to his projected contract,... we are still $ 8,389,455 over the cap. So, it would have to be a S&T to get OG,... and I just don't see that happening.

I think it’s important to remember that OG will get a maximum salary, wherever he signs. NY is hoping he’ll take a bit less, as he wanted to go there, and he’s close to their management, which used to be his agent, but I also think his current agent is going to ensure they max him by leaking these reports that he’ll consider other offers, like Philly (gosh, wouldn’t he look perfect between Embiid and Maxey?).

Yeah,.. agree. At this point, we have to assume that it's almost certain that OG will get a max. I think you are right,.. that this is Rose's son (OG agent) making sure he represents his client to the best of his abilities regardless of the teams involved. And,.. yes,.. he would look so dam good between T-Max and Embiid. Even at his max, they would still have room to go after 1 or 2 starting level role players. Not to mention the publicity effect and impact of stealing a max player from a local rival?.... Just makes too much sense.

Oh heck yeah. If they could add a player with just free agency like OG and keep their remaining picks to move down the road for another player? That’d be solid.

[Wizop]

if Ty can't go tonight and we're getting blown out, I'd like to see if either KBrown or Walker can stay in front of Jaylen Brown. that might be viewed as throwing in the towel but I'd like to gauge the need for a taller defensive wing for next year.

[TheNetsFan]

My crazy out there idea is using Mathurin in a package to get Mikal Bridges. Bridges is solid enough offensively, especially as a 2nd/3rd option, and is stellar defensively, even with smaller opponents. You'd be able to switch Bridges and Nesmith, and still have a Nembhard/McConnell/Sheppard off the bench as good to decent defensive options, too.

If the Nets decide to move Mikal, I've always thought the Pacers were an excellent fit; possibly the best fit. To me a Mathurin+Nembhard package would be a good upside gamble for the Nets, and Mikal is a pretty perfect compliment to Hali+Siakam+Turner. I think the youngish teams that got a taste of playoff success, but want to accelerate that (Indy, OKC, Minny, Memphis) will make hard pushes for him.

[JMaster5K]

It did! Here’s a quick back of the napkin projection. Expand the picture in that tweet and you can see some of the carry over income and how it will ensure the 10% rises for years to come.




I think it’s important to remember that OG will get a maximum salary, wherever he signs. NY is hoping he’ll take a bit less, as he wanted to go there, and he’s close to their management, which used to be his agent, but I also think his current agent is going to ensure they max him by leaking these reports that he’ll consider other offers, like Philly (gosh, wouldn’t he look perfect between Embiid and Maxey?).

Yeah,.. agree. At this point, we have to assume that it's almost certain that OG will get a max. I think you are right,.. that this is Rose's son (OG agent) making sure he represents his client to the best of his abilities regardless of the teams involved. And,.. yes,.. he would look so dam good between T-Max and Embiid. Even at his max, they would still have room to go after 1 or 2 starting level role players. Not to mention the publicity effect and impact of stealing a max player from a local rival?.... Just makes too much sense.

Oh heck yeah. If they could add a player with just free agency like OG and keep their remaining picks to move down the road for another player? That’d be solid.

Spotrac is listing Philly with 55.5 M in practical cap space,... they do have a couple of movements (waivers - nonguaranteed / team options / trade of picks, etc.) that could net them a bit more if they wanted. Still,... 23-24 was OG's 7th season, so Philly signs him for 42.3 M? They still have 12 M without going over the cap? can get to 15M if they trade 1 of their 1st rounders? They definitely have some flexibility. I can still see them picking up 1 or 2 veterans on the cheap for that?

[Wizop]

To me a Mathurin+Nembhard package would be a good upside gamble for the Nets.

If it's upper for the nets, it's a downer for us.

[JeffFosters]

To me a Mathurin+Nembhard package would be a good upside gamble for the Nets.

If it's upper for the nets, it's a downer for us.

A package around Mathurin for Bridges would make a lot of sense but Nemhard might be getting close to untouchable after this series. Mathurin, McConnell (going somewhere else for picks), Walker or Sheppard and a first or two wouldn’t be the worst offer.

[Grang33r]

They are def not trading Nembhard guys.

[TheNetsFan]

To me a Mathurin+Nembhard package would be a good upside gamble for the Nets.

If it's upper for the nets, it's a downer for us.

A package around Mathurin for Bridges would make a lot of sense but Nemhard might be getting close to untouchable after this series. Mathurin, McConnell (going somewhere else for picks), Walker or Sheppard and a first or two wouldn’t be the worst offer.

Interesting. I don't watch as much Pacers basketball as those on this board obviously, and I know Nembhard has exceeded everyone's wildest expectations. That being said, I'm surprised to see Walker's name as more available than Nembhard given perceived ceiling, roster construction, guard depth, and Carlisle's apparent knack for developing PGs. It feels like Carlisle can always find/develop a good PG to run his system.

[Pacers Forever]

If it's upper for the nets, it's a downer for us.

A package around Mathurin for Bridges would make a lot of sense but Nemhard might be getting close to untouchable after this series. Mathurin, McConnell (going somewhere else for picks), Walker or Sheppard and a first or two wouldn’t be the worst offer.

Interesting. I don't watch as much Pacers basketball as those on this board obviously, and I know Nembhard has exceeded everyone's wildest expectations. That being said, I'm surprised to see Walker's name as more available than Nembhard given perceived ceiling, roster construction, guard depth, and Carlisle's apparent knack for developing PGs. It feels like Carlisle can always find/develop a good PG to run his system.

I think our front office is able to consider trading Jarace Walker for a few reasons if we receive adequate compensation or if packaging him in a big player trade to better the team.


He was drafted 8th in the draft and barely made it on the floor.

He spent almost the entire season in the G league.

7 players drafted later than him out performed him this season.

He’s gonna have to improve a lot to get playing time with many players on our roster already contributing.

[JeffFosters]

If it's upper for the nets, it's a downer for us.

A package around Mathurin for Bridges would make a lot of sense but Nemhard might be getting close to untouchable after this series. Mathurin, McConnell (going somewhere else for picks), Walker or Sheppard and a first or two wouldn’t be the worst offer.

Interesting. I don't watch as much Pacers basketball as those on this board obviously, and I know Nembhard has exceeded everyone's wildest expectations. That being said, I'm surprised to see Walker's name as more available than Nembhard given perceived ceiling, roster construction, guard depth, and Carlisle's apparent knack for developing PGs. It feels like Carlisle can always find/develop a good PG to run his system.

Walker’s higher perceived ceiling is why I think he’d be enticing to the Nets. I’m in two minds, part of me wants to see them keep Math, Walker and the other young guys and continue their development, whereas the other part of me wants to push some chips into the middle of the table. Bridges is the ideal 3 for this team.