Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[thebuzzardman]

While I think Bridges is a pretty ideal and seamless fit from a ton of different perspectives, I just don't see Brooklyn actively helping us out. Especially when the demand for Bridges would seemingly be pretty high. It's not a situation where we can make ourselves one of the only true suitors for his services...

For example, if the Cavs offer Garland for Bridges how exactly do we go beat that? Maybe in a scenario where we can offer more picks but even though Tsai has positioned publicly that he's ok with a rebuild, they don't have control of their own picks going forward... Tanking and asset collection just doesn't make a ton of sense for them right now which is probably what our packages lend themselves to doing.

I don't think trading Julius for Mikal would be smart either.

So, so far, Ingram is not good on defense and people do not want.

Bridges people like, but the consensus is he won't be made available by Brooklyn, to the Knicks.

I'd say it's another year before Booker becomes available.


Apparently, the Knicks accumulated draft picks for no reason, since I'm not sure who's left that's an upgrade, that any team would realistically trade.

Like, Anthony Edwards would be nice, but he's not leaving Minny.


Time to explore the Tari Eason's of the world.

We could do what we've been doing and what Dallas did. Just find guys who are undervalued and fit.

Name them. Also, why would teams trade them? Limits the argument to tanking teams or players who get traded before they hit FA, plus the team is cheap or cap strapped.

[spree8]

I think this team needs to figure out how to prevent the defense from falling off a cliff when OG misses games. It's like as soon as he goes out we can't keep anyone in front of us.

Mikal and Caruso

They would be great I just don't see the Nets doing business with us.

Hey, if Leon could bring Rich Paul to the table, I’m confident he’d get Joe to heavily consider it.

I mean really, you’d have to be a pretty spiteful prick to prevent a player from going where he really wants to go and turn down a perfect rebuilding package when you’re going to rebuild, just because you don’t want to see your neighbor do well.

All basketball fans fell in love with the Nova Knicks story, and most if not all would love to see Mikal join them too, why get in the way of that over trivial bs? Seems unrealistically childish and a narrative driven more by their fans than ownership, and everyone else just accepts it as fact.

Even Bobby Marks said the Nets n Knicks never traded over his 20 years there… well, I don’t recall there ever really being a trade to be made, so I’m not reading too much into it. If we’re talking Riley and Knicks not trading, ok, there’s merit to that, but Nets? Why?

[WargamesX]

I think this team needs to figure out how to prevent the defense from falling off a cliff when OG misses games. It's like as soon as he goes out we can't keep anyone in front of us.

Mikal and Caruso

They would be great I just don't see the Nets doing business with us.

We said the same thing about the Raptors when it came to OG and it doesn’t sound like the two orgs have settled their difference regarding the lawsuit. Let’s see if Leon Rose can pull this off.

[Capn'O]

So, so far, Ingram is not good on defense and people do not want.

Bridges people like, but the consensus is he won't be made available by Brooklyn, to the Knicks.

I'd say it's another year before Booker becomes available.


Apparently, the Knicks accumulated draft picks for no reason, since I'm not sure who's left that's an upgrade, that any team would realistically trade.

Like, Anthony Edwards would be nice, but he's not leaving Minny.


Time to explore the Tari Eason's of the world.

We could do what we've been doing and what Dallas did. Just find guys who are undervalued and fit.

Name them. Also, why would teams trade them? Limits the argument to tanking teams or players who get traded before they hit FA, plus the team is cheap or cap strapped.

I mean, Dallas got Gafford and PJ Washington for scraps and they're huge pieces for the Mavs. We need to look at our needs and make a bunch of calls. I've named a few guys - Anthony Black, Bruno Fernando, and Trendan Watford - that could come cheap and fill big roles for us. Identify our needs, keep making calls, and figure out who's around that fill needs.

They also stole Lively from us, the rat bastards. Though we might have gone with Cason Wallace.

[sol537]

Mitch + #38 for Caruso

Bogs + McBride + #25 pick + future 1st for Mikal

Re-sign OG, Precious ($6m per), Burks (vet min)

iHart / Precious
Randle / Hart
OG
Mikal / DDV
Brunson / Caruso

A team full of gritty winners ready to plow through a wall for W's. We'd throw some small ball Randle/OG/Hart front court line-ups out there for 4-5 mins to end games.

[thebuzzardman]

I hope the Knicks draft well since they aren't getting anyone via trade

[Spree2Houston]

I see the Knicks targeting Chris Duarte as a reclamation project this off-season. He’s fallen out of the rotation in Sacramento and his agent is Sam Rose

[WargamesX]

Mitch + #38 for Caruso

Bogs + McBride + #25 pick + future 1st for Mikal

Re-sign OG, Precious ($6m per), Burks (vet min)

iHart / Precious
Randle / Hart
OG
Mikal / DDV
Brunson / Caruso

A team full of gritty winners ready to plow through a wall for W's. We'd throw some small ball Randle/OG/Hart front court line-ups out there for 4-5 mins to end games.

Can Caruso run an offense? I have barely watched any bulls games this year?

[sol537]

Mitch + #38 for Caruso

Bogs + McBride + #25 pick + future 1st for Mikal

Re-sign OG, Precious ($6m per), Burks (vet min)

iHart / Precious
Randle / Hart
OG
Mikal / DDV
Brunson / Caruso

A team full of gritty winners ready to plow through a wall for W's. We'd throw some small ball Randle/OG/Hart front court line-ups out there for 4-5 mins to end games.

Can Caruso run an offense? I have barely watched any bulls games this year?

Yes, he can run an offense better than McBride. He also proved he can be a major bench piece for a championship squad (Lakers).

This *should* be the year Chicago blows it all up but they'll probably stay on that treadmill...

[Knicksfan1992]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

[GONYK]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

[thebuzzardman]

We could do what we've been doing and what Dallas did. Just find guys who are undervalued and fit.

Name them. Also, why would teams trade them? Limits the argument to tanking teams or players who get traded before they hit FA, plus the team is cheap or cap strapped.

I mean, Dallas got Gafford and PJ Washington for scraps and they're huge pieces for the Mavs. We need to look at our needs and make a bunch of calls. I've named a few guys - Anthony Black, Bruno Fernando, and Trendan Watford - that could come cheap and fill big roles for us. Identify our needs, keep making calls, and figure out who's around that fill needs.

They also stole Lively from us, the rat bastards. Though we might have gone with Cason Wallace.

Those would be nice but the Knicks are lacking two wing players on the level of Luka and Kyrie. That makes "cheap spares" easier.

Knicks have one player of that caliber.

[thebuzzardman]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

He's a role player. A great one, but a role player still.

Who's the 2nd creating scorer? Don't say Randle.

[thebuzzardman]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

Looks like Leon formulated a strategy for an NBA that no longer exists. Solid long term planning.

[Knicksfan1992]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

I tend to agree.

I think the only "star" upgrade to make would be replacing Randle with either a wing or guard who can replicate Randle's production but with maybe a bit more efficiency and trust that it translates to a playoff scenario.

Other than that, I think continuing to horde and acquire high end role players or young guys who you think fit that mold that may be undervalued in other situations.

A sneaky star play i'm keeping a small eye on would be trading for Jimmy. The vibes in that Pat Riley press conference were just so off... I don't think it's out of the question that they make him available and I don't think the list of suitors would be as big as some may assume given his age, injury history, and reportedly wanting a contract extension. He's no doubt a Thibs fit and does a lot of what Julius does but has proven he can do it in high leverage situations. There are downsides and risk involved for sure but he brings a lot of stuff to the table that I think you can say would push us over the top IMO.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I hope the Knicks draft well since they aren't getting anyone via trade

I was under the impression they can get anyone they want for our scrap contracts and a bunch of picks that have no value according to some.

[GONYK]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

He's a role player. A great one, but a role player still.

Who's the 2nd creating scorer? Don't say Randle.

I'd say stars are measured in impact, not just in their ability to create off the dribble.

Why wouldn't I say the 2x All-NBA player who was putting up 24/9/5 a night before his injury is our second creator?

[Capn'O]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

You stole my thunder with that. I want to see this team in full.

[Capn'O]

It is interesting to see how the Knicks brass has postured publicly through the beat that they are star hunting this summer when there doesn't seem to be a natural target emerging.

A few things at play I think are:
-The “era of parity” that Adam Silver has started to bring into fruition has muddied the waters of who is actually a title contender and who isn’t. We have a 4, 3, and 6 seed in the conference finals… Even 5 years ago this would have been inconceivable. There are way more teams that can talk themselves into being able to make a conference finals than ever before IMO. In turn that makes player movement less predictable without inside info.
-The lack of a defined “top 10” players in the league may have some teams over-valuing and under-valuing certain stars.
-The Knicks have built a team around 2 odd-ball top players. One of them is an undersized point guard who isn’t overly athletic in a traditional sense and the other is a bowling ball pure 4. You just don’t see many good teams built this way. So I think part of the reason we don’t see what “star” makes sense for us is that our team doesn’t really make sense in a “conventional” way. This is what I think is the biggest challenge for the FO. Finding a star or good player who not only upgrades us talent-wise but also fits a very different structure in a successful team.

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

I tend to agree.

I think the only "star" upgrade to make would be replacing Randle with either a wing or guard who can replicate Randle's production but with maybe a bit more efficiency and trust that it translates to a playoff scenario.

Other than that, I think continuing to horde and acquire high end role players or young guys who you think fit that mold that may be undervalued in other situations.

A sneaky star play i'm keeping a small eye on would be trading for Jimmy. The vibes in that Pat Riley press conference were just so off... I don't think it's out of the question that they make him available and I don't think the list of suitors would be as big as some may assume given his age, injury history, and reportedly wanting a contract extension. He's no doubt a Thibs fit and does a lot of what Julius does but has proven he can do it in high leverage situations. There are downsides and risk involved for sure but he brings a lot of stuff to the table that I think you can say would push us over the top IMO.

They're absolutely trading Jimmy.

I agree. He'd be a good fit. But the window is short.

Giannis and Booker are likely the top targets imo but I don't think either becomes available.

[GONYK]

I'd argue they found that star that makes the team "make sense" already with OG

I tend to agree.

I think the only "star" upgrade to make would be replacing Randle with either a wing or guard who can replicate Randle's production but with maybe a bit more efficiency and trust that it translates to a playoff scenario.

Other than that, I think continuing to horde and acquire high end role players or young guys who you think fit that mold that may be undervalued in other situations.

A sneaky star play i'm keeping a small eye on would be trading for Jimmy. The vibes in that Pat Riley press conference were just so off... I don't think it's out of the question that they make him available and I don't think the list of suitors would be as big as some may assume given his age, injury history, and reportedly wanting a contract extension. He's no doubt a Thibs fit and does a lot of what Julius does but has proven he can do it in high leverage situations. There are downsides and risk involved for sure but he brings a lot of stuff to the table that I think you can say would push us over the top IMO.

They're absolutely trading Jimmy.

I agree. He'd be a good fit. But the window is short.

Giannis and Booker are likely the top targets imo but I don't think either becomes available.

The question with Jimmy is how much of the future are you kissing goodbye for maybe 2 years of production