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raleigh wrote:I can tell that ATL fans are not used to having the top pick when I see comments like this one.
While there are certainly impressive prospects in this draft class, the overall feel coming out of the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago was that this is truly going to be a draft that revolves around potential. Alex Sarr continues to be the overwhelming favorite to be the first overall pick by the Hawks in a variety of NBA mock drafts, but Zaccharie Risacher continues to dazzle overseas.
Sarr, a fellow Frenchman, is still the favorite to be the first pick despite, all of the success Risacher has found in recent weeks.
However, Risacher continues to gain ground on Sarr, and the Hawks are weighing all of their options during the pre-draft process. Do not expect a firm decision to be made on who they will be selecting until hours before the draft.
Jamaaliver wrote:I just don't see what separates Alex Sarr from Kel'el Ware.
raleigh wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:I'd really be on board with trading back and grabbing both of these guys instead of just A Sarr.
I can tell that ATL fans are not used to having the top pick when I see comments like this one.
Trade the pick for a starter? At least debatable.
Trade back in the draft for "quantity over quality?" Will never happen.
CP War Hawks wrote:I'm not understanding his reasoning with two backup bigs. Filip even projects to pf moreso than Sarr with his 6-10 wingspan.... Now trading back for Zac and Ware makes alot of sense not for two guys that very well could be backup centers.
raleigh wrote:"Reasonably prime Brook Lopez" would be the #1 pick in this draft.
He has the talent to be top-5 in a normal draft cycle.
raleigh wrote:[Ware] has the talent to be top-5 in a normal draft cycle.
He does not. He has potential.
It's not just motor concerns with Ware. He's got a number of areas of weakness: physical frame, consistent touch, defensive positioning, lateral movement, overall awareness, turnovers, etc. I'm also concerned that Ware's effectiveness was noticeably lower against the better NCAA teams.
Ware is a major project.
Jamaaliver wrote:raleigh wrote:[Ware] has the talent to be top-5 in a normal draft cycle.
He does not. He has potential.
It's not just motor concerns with Ware. He's got a number of areas of weakness: physical frame, consistent touch, defensive positioning, lateral movement, overall awareness, turnovers, etc. I'm also concerned that Ware's effectiveness was noticeably lower against the better NCAA teams.
Ware is a major project.
Noted. And I do appreciate the input.
It's also worth acknowledging that Alex Sarr is similarly a major project.
He's rail thin and lacks physicality.
As a result he's both a poor screener and an underwhelming rebounder. He also struggles to finish through contact.
He's played organized basketball for most of his life, yet his offensive arsenal is severely lacking.
And his best position moving forward may actually be PF - problematic since that's also Jalen's best position.
Geaux_Hawks wrote:I wouldn't say Sarr nor Ware are major projects. Ulrich Chomce is a major project.
Geaux_Hawks wrote:I don't agree with Sarr severely lacking an offensive arsenal. There's work to still be done, but the foundation is there.
I'd say Ware is the one with more of a need to develop his arsenal.
Jamaaliver wrote:Geaux_Hawks wrote:I don't agree with Sarr severely lacking an offensive arsenal. There's work to still be done, but the foundation is there.
I'd say Ware is the one with more of a need to develop his arsenal.
Geaux_Hawks wrote:Spoiler:
Jamaaliver wrote:raleigh wrote:[Ware] has the talent to be top-5 in a normal draft cycle.
He does not. He has potential.
It's not just motor concerns with Ware. He's got a number of areas of weakness: physical frame, consistent touch, defensive positioning, lateral movement, overall awareness, turnovers, etc. I'm also concerned that Ware's effectiveness was noticeably lower against the better NCAA teams.
Ware is a major project.
Noted. And I do appreciate the input.
It's also worth acknowledging that Alex Sarr is similarly a major project.
He's rail thin and lacks physicality.
As a result he's both a poor screener and an underwhelming rebounder. He also struggles to finish through contact.
He's played organized basketball for most of his life, yet his offensive arsenal is severely lacking.
And his best position moving forward may actually be PF - problematic since that's also Jalen's best position.
CP War Hawks wrote:Ugh there is like a 5 pound difference between the two, no need to move goal posts to fit a narrative. Ware is land locked at the 5 while Sarr can play both.
Ware only shot a little more than 1 3pa game, his percentage shouldn't even be inputed. He should scare you the exact same way Bamba turned out. Guys with low motors and questionable motivation to get better is something to avoid.
Jamaaliver wrote:Geaux_Hawks wrote:Spoiler:
I really do hope this kid pans out. But I fear he's years away.
Alex Sarr was reasonably the most talented player in the NBL last season...and he looked like he was 2 years away from being 2 years away.
This shot chart does not inspire much confidence in him being a shooter anytime soon. (Even his interior finishing was underwhelming.)
Geaux_Hawks wrote:I like Ware, and wouldn't mind having him, but to me, Sarr's the better long-term prospect, and the near future gains aren't far off.
Geaux_Hawks wrote:FWIW, i've looked into his finishing issues over the week, and a lot of his interior opportunities get wasted when the guards are throwing bounce passes under the rim instead of feeding him a high lob. Giving help defenders time to recover just defeats the purpose of the drive. Every time I saw it happen, my immediate thought was, "Trae would've thrown a lob". Obviously he needs to bulk up more so he can finish cleaner over bigs in any given situation.
