Most untradeable contract deals

[Knickfan1982]

First who are the most untradeable players? MPJ, Beal, Poole, Simmons, Middleton, Herro, LaVine, Barrett, KAT, Gobert, AD, Wiggins, FVV, Collins, Ayton.
The difficulty in moving these players because of contract size, lack of production, injury prone, make them hard to get a fair trade.
Of these, can you make a realistic trade that will improve the sender/receiver?

Pretty sure Toronto considers Barrett's deal untradeable but for different reasons than you assert.

[penbeast0]

Well obviously no one is taking Poole off your hands, but I think #2 along with Kuz is a good start. Replace Kuz with Deni and it's probably a lock. I'd do either one with little hesitation personally. Can probably keep the pick in that case too.

Deni is nice but he's basically the same age as Garland and has never even approached what Garland has done. I assume you'll say no to that.

Avdija never has, and probably never will, put up the offensive numbers that Garland has done. Garland has never played the kind of defense that Avdija has shown. In a vacuum, I would say Garland is the more valuable. But add in their respective contracts, Garland's size and limited value off ball, and Avdija's ability to play 3 positions and yes, I'd say Avdija is more valuable unless you have a specific need for a Garland type.

Nor, in the Wizards' situation, would I give up the #2 for Garland, even if I had the bad contracts to load up for it. For a contending team that needs a point guard, sure. For the Wizards, no. Again, my point isn't that Garland is bad, it's that the Wizards are not a good trading partner for Cleveland if the Cavs are trying to move him.

[Slim Charless]

Well obviously no one is taking Poole off your hands, but I think #2 along with Kuz is a good start. Replace Kuz with Deni and it's probably a lock. I'd do either one with little hesitation personally. Can probably keep the pick in that case too.

Deni is nice but he's basically the same age as Garland and has never even approached what Garland has done. I assume you'll say no to that.

Avdija never has, and probably never will, put up the offensive numbers that Garland has done. Garland has never played the kind of defense that Avdija has shown. In a vacuum, I would say Garland is the more valuable. But add in their respective contracts, Garland's size and limited value off ball, and Avdija's ability to play 3 positions and yes, I'd say Avdija is more valuable unless you have a specific need for a Garland type.

Nor, in the Wizards' situation, would I give up the #2 for Garland, even if I had the bad contracts to load up for it. For a contending team that needs a point guard, sure. For the Wizards, no. Again, my point isn't that Garland is bad, it's that the Wizards are not a good trading partner for Cleveland if the Cavs are trying to move him.

I don't understand how you keep going back to this contending team thing.....for a 23 yr old. He's roughly 6 months older than Deni.....plays a position your team seems to need...and is probably available this summer.

Yet you infer that he's an old man. Or too old for you guys at least. I don't understand where that comes from. At all. You want someone who's 18 then? What age is the right age fit for the Wiz.

[penbeast0]

The Wizards need to acquire talent. We can't be paying market value for it; we don't have enough talent for it to fit around. Plus we need guys who have upside but who aren't yet performing at peak so we can tank and get a true #1 star. Garland has proven too much value, he will command a premium and we don't have it to trade without giving up draft choices and we need those for cost control and development unless Cleveland is dumping him cheap which I don't see happening.

The other reason we don't need him is because he plays PG where we need to play Jordan Poole to rehab his value (he's also roughly the same age), even if we don't resign Tyus Jones. Poole proved last year he can't play off ball and having more than half the team's salary tied up in two long term small scoring on ball guards is a waste of resources.

[tidho]

The Wizards need to acquire talent. We can't be paying market value for it; we don't have enough talent for it to fit around. Plus we need guys who have upside but who aren't yet performing at peak so we can tank and get a true #1 star. Garland has proven too much value, he will command a premium and we don't have it to trade without giving up draft choices and we need those for cost control and development unless Cleveland is dumping him cheap which I don't see happening.

The other reason we don't need him is because he plays PG where we need to play Jordan Poole to rehab his value (he's also roughly the same age), even if we don't resign Tyus Jones. Poole proved last year he can't play off ball and having more than half the team's salary tied up in two long term small scoring on ball guards is a waste of resources.

I can appreciate that maybe Garland isn't a fit for you, but with his contract I would think he is the type of young veteran you'd want.

Your Poole comments are interesting because what are you rehabbing his value for? I'd be amazed if he's able to be dealt before the final year of his deal (as filler) at this point, even with some improvement. He's simply not going to be trusted. The question is if you're going full 'process' and want him running you into the ground for the rest of the contract, or if you're going to try and build up despite him being there over the next 3-4 years. If it's the latter than a Garland deal for a couple lesser pieces (Avdija plus whatever it is) is probably something WAS should consider.