Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[MettaWorldPanda]

Would be great to see OKC step into this Jimmy Butler fray. That’s the one Western Conference team that does make sense. We can get back our 2025 pick and tank in peace if need be. Riley and Presti have always been great trade partners. Cowboy Butler would love the lifestyle in OKC lol.

[Seabass777]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy will not play for a penny less than the max. If the Heat don’t sign him to the max this summer he will see that as a betrayal and will opt out next summer and will never sign another deal with Miami again.

Ethan believes there are three teams that will offer Jimmy the max with Philadelphia being one of them. He also said that Jimmy is a huge pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Opt out next summer? That would be extremely foolish on his part.

Risk injury for an entire season at 35 all because you want to bet on yourself, when he could get a max contract extension right now, and play with a good friend of his in Embiid and Maxey and be instant title contenders?

Nah he won’t pass that up.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Trade with OKC

SG Lu Dort
2024 12th pick
2025 1st rd pick Heat returned
2027 1st rd pick

Done deal. Lead those kids to a chip Jimmy.

[Rapaz]

Trade with Mama:

CJ McCollum
Larry Nance Jr.
2024 17th pick

Mama gets Jimmy & JAGsmith.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy will not play for a penny less than the max. If the Heat don’t sign him to the max this summer he will see that as a betrayal and will opt out next summer and will never sign another deal with Miami again.

Ethan believes there are three teams that will offer Jimmy the max with Philadelphia being one of them. He also said that Jimmy is a huge pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Opt out next summer? That would be extremely foolish on his part.

Risk injury for an entire season at 35 all because you want to bet on yourself, when he could get a max contract extension right now, and play with a good friend of his in Embiid and Maxey and be instant title contenders?

Nah he won’t pass that up.

Front office must be passing along this narrative of Jimmy playing this year in a prove it and opt out next year scenario lol. That’s having their cake and eating it too. If that’s the front office approach then it should be of no surprise that things get very messy. If they take this into camp then team morale is put right into the dumpster. Might as well donate those culture shirts to a third world country.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we do trade Butler then it makes a lot of sense to sign Hayward on the cheap and have him continue to nurture JJJ’s growth.

[MettaWorldPanda]

OKC trade looks like a good thought but not sure after what happened with Hayward if Presti thinks it’s a good idea to sprinkle in another older vet who likes to slow the pace down is a good idea for his current group. Still think the 76ers make the most sense.

[AirP.]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy will not play for a penny less than the max. If the Heat don’t sign him to the max this summer he will see that as a betrayal and will opt out next summer and will never sign another deal with Miami again.

Ethan believes there are three teams that will offer Jimmy the max with Philadelphia being one of them. He also said that Jimmy is a huge pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Opt out next summer? That would be extremely foolish on his part.

Risk injury for an entire season at 35 all because you want to bet on yourself, when he could get a max contract extension right now, and play with a good friend of his in Embiid and Maxey and be instant title contenders?

Nah he won’t pass that up.

He absolutely would bet on himself.

I don't think people understand what really happened when he bet on himself in Chicago. He didn't just turn down an extension to become a RFA in Chicago, he was told by the GM that if he didn't sign the contract, they'd have the coach bury him on bench to tank his value (this is one of the reasons Butler loves Thibodeau and one of the reasons why Chicago's FO wanted Thibodeau out).

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Here's the rumor that Butler verified in only one interview then never verified it again, although Tony Snell's name was never mentioned. Gar Foreman was one of the worst people to ever to be in a FO which is one of the big reasons I'm no longer a Bulls fan.

Spoiler:

What I was told is -- and I don’t know who it was in the front office; I don’t have a name -- but that he was told, “Well, if you don’t take this, we’re going to play Tony Snell your minutes. We’re going to play Tony Snell over you, and then good luck trying to get this kind of money when your number sare down. And that, if it’s true -- and it’s what I was told, and I believe it, but it’s the same thing of any gossipy industry that you’re in -- then it doesn’t make sense that Jimmy Butler can’t stand the front office and loves Thibs, because Thibs apparently went, “No, I’m not playing Tony Snell over Jimmy Butler. Are you freaking kidding me?”

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/rumor-bulls-told-jimmy-butler-during-contract-extension-negotiations-theyd-stick-him-behind-tony-snell-if-he-didnt-sign

[marson]

OKC trade looks like a good thought but not sure after what happened with Hayward if Presti thinks it’s a good idea to sprinkle in another older vet who likes to slow the pace down is a good idea for his current group. Still think the 76ers make the most sense.

Battle in the west is tuff. Even with Butler there not sure how is going to fit with the gen z players. Bam would fit more imo

Philly should go all in. EAST is a joke. Maxey, Embiid and Butler can win a chip

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy will not play for a penny less than the max. If the Heat don’t sign him to the max this summer he will see that as a betrayal and will opt out next summer and will never sign another deal with Miami again.

Ethan believes there are three teams that will offer Jimmy the max with Philadelphia being one of them. He also said that Jimmy is a huge pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Opt out next summer? That would be extremely foolish on his part.

Risk injury for an entire season at 35 all because you want to bet on yourself, when he could get a max contract extension right now, and play with a good friend of his in Embiid and Maxey and be instant title contenders?

Nah he won’t pass that up.

He absolutely would bet on himself.

I don't think people understand what really happened when he bet on himself in Chicago. He didn't just turn down an extension to become a RFA in Chicago, he was told by the GM that if he didn't sign the contract, they'd have the coach bury him on bench to tank his value (this is one of the reasons Butler loves Thibodeau and one of the reasons why Chicago's FO wanted Thibodeau out).

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Here's the rumor that Butler verified in only one interview then never verified it again, although Tony Snell's name was never mentioned. Gar Foreman was one of the worst people to ever to be in a FO which is one of the big reasons I'm no longer a Bulls fan.

Spoiler:

What I was told is -- and I don’t know who it was in the front office; I don’t have a name -- but that he was told, “Well, if you don’t take this, we’re going to play Tony Snell your minutes. We’re going to play Tony Snell over you, and then good luck trying to get this kind of money when your number sare down. And that, if it’s true -- and it’s what I was told, and I believe it, but it’s the same thing of any gossipy industry that you’re in -- then it doesn’t make sense that Jimmy Butler can’t stand the front office and loves Thibs, because Thibs apparently went, “No, I’m not playing Tony Snell over Jimmy Butler. Are you freaking kidding me?”

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/rumor-bulls-told-jimmy-butler-during-contract-extension-negotiations-theyd-stick-him-behind-tony-snell-if-he-didnt-sign

That was a young Butler. Not a 35 year old Butler who has his handlers making it known he wants his extension the moment he’s eligible or send him to a team that’s willing to give it too him.

[Beenie]

If Mia elects to trade Jimmy, they would be wise to blow it up and trade Bam too.

The team not only would be a perpetual lottery team without Jimmy, their brand of basketball becomes even more of an unholy mess to watch.

Trade Bam to OKC and they might be able to fetch Jalen Williams in return along with a pick package.

[MettaWorldPanda]

OKC trade looks like a good thought but not sure after what happened with Hayward if Presti thinks it’s a good idea to sprinkle in another older vet who likes to slow the pace down is a good idea for his current group. Still think the 76ers make the most sense.

Battle in the west is tuff. Even with Butler there not sure how is going to fit with the gen z players. Bam would fit more imo

Philly should go all in. EAST is a joke. Maxey, Embiid and Butler can win a chip

Jimmy to Philly definitely makes the most sense for all invovled. It makes it look like we at least did right by Jimmy giving him a chance to win a chip at his desired location, we free up our cap sheet with the Sixers able to absorb his deal into cap space, we get 3 first giving us future trade flexibility. We get two draft picks this year b2b giving us a fun young team to root for around Bam until something opens up for us. With a 48 million dollar trade exception, roster full of young players, and 73 million worth of tradeable contracts between Herro, Rozier, and Duncan we’ll be in the best spot to make deals we have been in years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Mia elects to trade Jimmy, they would be wise to blow it up and trade Bam too.

The team not only would be a perpetual lottery team without Jimmy, their brand of basketball becomes even more of an unholy mess to watch.

Trade Bam to OKC and they might be able to fetch Jalen Williams in return along with a pick package.

Absolutely not. Bam is a Heat homegrown retirement fixture that’s going to lead the new young core. Let’s not act like we don’t have good young pieces to build around. Bam, Jovic, JJJ, Herro, and Rozier along with two first round picks this year coming off the bench until a star comes free will be a fun team for us to root for.

[contract]

After seeing what happened after we screwed Wade over I'm actually at peace giving Butler his extension. The karma of paying Whiteside and all those other bums rather then just paying Wade was just down right awful. Sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and hope for the best. I think Jimmy will be all in trying to win a championship throughout the life of the deal. If Lebron is still capable of getting max deals at age 40 and up then we can give Jimmy this last bit of respect for everything he's done during his time here to bring the franchise back into relevance.

This needs to be pointed out again. Jimmy isn't Wade. Paying Jimmy fixes nothing. We've paid lots of guys. The problem was never not paying. The problem is who we refused to pay. And as should be obvious by now, no one cared past that news cycle. Players still want to come here.

Throwing bad money at Jimmy isn't going to fix anything. It's only going to keep us in cap hell.

On average Jimmy misses 1/4 of the season, and that makes it almost impossible to get a high seed. Jimmy led Heat teams have finished the regular season higher than the 5th seed exactly 1 time. And that was before Jimmy turns 35. It's only going to get worse. He's not going to get healthier or more athletic going forward no matter how dumb a contract we throw at him. It's going to get worse. Jimmy has had some good playoff runs, but he's put us in a hole we've had to climb out of 4 out of 5 seasons.

And this should go without saying but Jimmy is also not Lebron ... and he doesn't know his pharmacist.

[MiamiLoyal926]

AirP… honestly… losing your input on this forum would likely be the biggest loss in a Butler trade.

I love Butler and what he has done for our organization these last few years, but he was maxed out each of those years. We owe him nothing and if we believe that what we saw this year is the new Butler being slowed by age, then we have absolutely no reason to hold up money like that for an aging player that cannot produce at a level that makes that money worth it.

Hopefully you stay a Heat fan beyond Butler and that you feel like you found a team to root for beyond a player. My reality is that I am a Heat fan first and trading Butler makes more sense for the team rather than extending him to his max. If he is going to get ugly and throw a fit if we don’t extend him, then trade it is. If he is going to be a good sport and play the best he can to earn his current contract, then I will gladly keep him and would love to see the Heat work with him to find a next deal that makes sense for both sides.

[twix2500]

We don't have to go back many years. Heat recently gave Butler and with no negotiation that carried him through him being 36 yrs old. Heat resign team and fan favorite Goran Dragic til he was 35 yrs old. I told people that Heat didn't owe Goran anything more once they gave him that 2 yr contract and that he was gonna be traded. People swore to me on here Heat would not trade Goran because of the optics and what happened to Wade. Heat not resistant in trading Butler

[contract]

Jimmy has Riley and Arison backed into a corner. You either patch things up quickly and give him his extension or Jimmy ask for a trade and the low ball offers come flying in. Play hard ball thinking he's going to be some type of good soldier and play out his contract and risk this turning really nasty in the media. That trade me to Philly only request is going to hit like a ton of bricks.

The only correct response to a player demanding a trade to a specific team is to make clear that that is the only place you won't trade him.

[IceColdCubano]

If Mia elects to trade Jimmy, they would be wise to blow it up and trade Bam too.

The team not only would be a perpetual lottery team without Jimmy, their brand of basketball becomes even more of an unholy mess to watch.

Trade Bam to OKC and they might be able to fetch Jalen Williams in return along with a pick package.

Why? Bam is young, you can use your trade chips to keep building up and many players around the league would be willing to tag team with Bam. You never go full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as they say, in that movie line.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Riley’s presser was the tell. Riley was very calculated calling out Jimmy. Most likely due to behind closed doors extension demands that the front office initially seems hesitant to give in to. Now negotiations and leverage are starting to get played out in the media. This is only the beginning. Like i said it’s almost as if the front office is baiting Jimmy to ask for a trade. No extension will be viewed as a slap in the face especially when you have teams leaking out that they will offer it too him.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Jimmy has Riley and Arison backed into a corner. You either patch things up quickly and give him his extension or Jimmy ask for a trade and the low ball offers come flying in. Play hard ball thinking he's going to be some type of good soldier and play out his contract and risk this turning really nasty in the media. That trade me to Philly only request is going to hit like a ton of bricks.

The only correct response to a player demanding a trade to a specific team is to make clear that that is the only place you won't trade him.

From Riley’s reaction to Shaq and how he traded his behind when he tried to get pretty with Pat, if Butler gets funny with Pat, I could see Pat trading him anywhere but his desired destination. Taking a page from the Cronnin book.