2025 NBA DRAFT PROSPECTS

[LoveMyRaps]

2026 will be the better year fyi btw

really? based on what?

Better prospects. AJ Dybansta would go #1 this yr & next yr & will be #1 in 26. Boozer twins, Caleb Wilson, Jayden Q, Koa Pete many more as well

AJ has generational potential, as does Flagg IMO.

2026 was definitely better but since Flagg reclassified it changes things - both drafts are pretty neck and neck for now.

REGARDLESS - that Indy 2026 pick is gonna hit like crack!

We're in a really good position. Need to acquire more picks for these next two drafts because they're both STACKED with ELITE talent.

[ArthurVandelay]

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[Clutch0z24]

Draft will be riddled with talent....Just so the people who think we will be a over 30 win team next year with BBQ will be sadly mistaking....Team is not deep enough...We have about 5 players on the team that shouldn't be in the NBA and our top 8-9 Full rotation players are not all that great....

BBQ can have a big year and Dick will show some more growing but the team isn't winning 30+ games next year...

Spurs will be better than us next year....They have 2 lottery picks and will prolly use them to make a trade for an all star to pair with Wemby...Memphis will get Morant back + healthy Bane....They will go back to the playoffs....

Houston/GSW/Kings/Nets/Hawks/Bulls/Jazz are the teams we will have to compete against for the record of 30+ win teams in th NBA

Hornets/Wizards/Pistons/Blazers are the teams we would have to compete against to be a top 5 pick in the draft.

I think we are closer to the Tanking teams than the + 30 win teams in the NBA imo...Even if BBQ have a big year together...

We might even just end up in the exact same position as last year where we are 6th pick again...

One thing these people are forgetting that say we will win 30+ games next year....We started last year with Siakam/OG/Schroder/Barnes/Poeltlt to try and make the playins...We couldn't even get there with imo better players than what we will start the year with next season...Rn Siakam/OG>IQ/Barrett...And we were still a -20 win team with them trying to win...

That tells me we have a uphill battle to even crack 25 wins next year....

[YogurtProducer]

Draft will be riddled with talent....Just so the people who think we will be a over 30 win team next year with BBQ will be sadly mistaking....Team is not deep enough...We have about 5 players on the team that shouldn't be in the NBA and our top 8-9 Full rotation players are not all that great....

BBQ can have a big year and Dick will show some more growing but the team isn't winning 30+ games next year...

Spurs will be better than us next year....They have 2 lottery picks and will prolly use them to make a trade for an all star to pair with Wemby...Memphis will get Morant back + healthy Bane....They will go back to the playoffs....

Houston/GSW/Kings/Nets/Hawks/Bulls/Jazz are the teams we will have to compete against for the record of 30+ win teams in th NBA

Hornets/Wizards/Pistons/Blazers are the teams we would have to compete against to be a top 5 pick in the draft.

I think we are closer to the Tanking teams than the + 30 win teams in the NBA imo...Even if BBQ have a big year together...

We might even just end up in the exact same position as last year where we are 6th pick again...

One thing these people are forgetting that say we will win 30+ games next year....We started last year with Siakam/OG/Schroder/Barnes/Poeltlt to try and make the playins...We couldn't even get there with imo better players than what we will start the year with next season...Rn Siakam/OG>IQ/Barrett...And we were still a -20 win team with them trying to win...

That tells me we have a uphill battle to even crack 25 wins next year....

Siakam/OG at their best > IQ/RJ - that being said Siakam/OG as Raptors last year were giving negative defensive effort. So it is pretty tough to look at how we performed last year and make any conclusions on how 24/25 would go.

IQ/RJ/Poeltl/Barnes/GTJ (our SL) played 10 games together last year.

I understand what you are trying to say, but the simple fact we have more than 5 NBA caliber players to open next year means there is potential we end up being a .500 team unless we sell off. We opened last year with Flynn/McDaniels/Precious as our 7th/8th/9th men. If that next year is Brown (or whoever he is traded for), Olynyk, Agbaji, Year 2 Dick, #19/31 surprising, etc. we already are going to be better.

Pretty hard to win less than 30 games when you actually have a rotation full of well... rotation players.

[youngRAPZ]

Draft will be riddled with talent....Just so the people who think we will be a over 30 win team next year with BBQ will be sadly mistaking....Team is not deep enough...We have about 5 players on the team that shouldn't be in the NBA and our top 8-9 Full rotation players are not all that great....

BBQ can have a big year and Dick will show some more growing but the team isn't winning 30+ games next year...

Spurs will be better than us next year....They have 2 lottery picks and will prolly use them to make a trade for an all star to pair with Wemby...Memphis will get Morant back + healthy Bane....They will go back to the playoffs....

Houston/GSW/Kings/Nets/Hawks/Bulls/Jazz are the teams we will have to compete against for the record of 30+ win teams in th NBA

Hornets/Wizards/Pistons/Blazers are the teams we would have to compete against to be a top 5 pick in the draft.

I think we are closer to the Tanking teams than the + 30 win teams in the NBA imo...Even if BBQ have a big year together...

We might even just end up in the exact same position as last year where we are 6th pick again...

One thing these people are forgetting that say we will win 30+ games next year....We started last year with Siakam/OG/Schroder/Barnes/Poeltlt to try and make the playins...We couldn't even get there with imo better players than what we will start the year with next season...Rn Siakam/OG>IQ/Barrett...And we were still a -20 win team with them trying to win...

That tells me we have a uphill battle to even crack 25 wins next year....

Siakam/OG at their best > IQ/RJ - that being said Siakam/OG as Raptors last year were giving negative defensive effort. So it is pretty tough to look at how we performed last year and make any conclusions on how 24/25 would go.

IQ/RJ/Poeltl/Barnes/GTJ (our SL) played 10 games together last year.

I understand what you are trying to say, but the simple fact we have more than 5 NBA caliber players to open next year means there is potential we end up being a .500 team unless we sell off. We opened last year with Flynn/McDaniels/Precious as our 7th/8th/9th men. If that next year is Brown (or whoever he is traded for), Olynyk, Agbaji, Year 2 Dick, #19/31 surprising, etc. we already are going to be better.

Pretty hard to win less than 30 games when you actually have a rotation full of well... rotation players.

Let’s do a quick on paper comparison lol

Jak=Jak
Siakam = Scottie
Og > Barrett
Scottie > GTJ
Dennis < Quick

GTJ = BB (I think GTJ is a little better on offence but brown better all around)
Precious < Olynyk
Flynn, Bouche, dick, mcdaniels < Ochai, Bouche, Dick, mcdanials, 19, 31 any free agents signed

I think both teams are close but I’d take this years team and it’s not even complete. When you think about trading bb for a better starter and move GTJ back to bench or if we don’t sign him back Dick takes his spot which i also think dick will be comparable to GTJ considering how he started last year terribly. Not to mention the fit is better and hopefully Darko can develop that defensive strategy a little bit.

[YogurtProducer]

Draft will be riddled with talent....Just so the people who think we will be a over 30 win team next year with BBQ will be sadly mistaking....Team is not deep enough...We have about 5 players on the team that shouldn't be in the NBA and our top 8-9 Full rotation players are not all that great....

BBQ can have a big year and Dick will show some more growing but the team isn't winning 30+ games next year...

Spurs will be better than us next year....They have 2 lottery picks and will prolly use them to make a trade for an all star to pair with Wemby...Memphis will get Morant back + healthy Bane....They will go back to the playoffs....

Houston/GSW/Kings/Nets/Hawks/Bulls/Jazz are the teams we will have to compete against for the record of 30+ win teams in th NBA

Hornets/Wizards/Pistons/Blazers are the teams we would have to compete against to be a top 5 pick in the draft.

I think we are closer to the Tanking teams than the + 30 win teams in the NBA imo...Even if BBQ have a big year together...

We might even just end up in the exact same position as last year where we are 6th pick again...

One thing these people are forgetting that say we will win 30+ games next year....We started last year with Siakam/OG/Schroder/Barnes/Poeltlt to try and make the playins...We couldn't even get there with imo better players than what we will start the year with next season...Rn Siakam/OG>IQ/Barrett...And we were still a -20 win team with them trying to win...

That tells me we have a uphill battle to even crack 25 wins next year....

Siakam/OG at their best > IQ/RJ - that being said Siakam/OG as Raptors last year were giving negative defensive effort. So it is pretty tough to look at how we performed last year and make any conclusions on how 24/25 would go.

IQ/RJ/Poeltl/Barnes/GTJ (our SL) played 10 games together last year.

I understand what you are trying to say, but the simple fact we have more than 5 NBA caliber players to open next year means there is potential we end up being a .500 team unless we sell off. We opened last year with Flynn/McDaniels/Precious as our 7th/8th/9th men. If that next year is Brown (or whoever he is traded for), Olynyk, Agbaji, Year 2 Dick, #19/31 surprising, etc. we already are going to be better.

Pretty hard to win less than 30 games when you actually have a rotation full of well... rotation players.

Let’s do a quick on paper comparison lol

Jak=Jak
Siakam = Scottie
Og > Barrett
Scottie > GTJ
Dennis < Quick

GTJ = BB (I think GTJ is a little better on offence but brown better all around)
Precious < Olynyk
Flynn, Bouche, dick, mcdaniels < Ochai, Bouche, Dick, mcdanials, 19, 31 any free agents signed

I think both teams are close but I’d take this years team and it’s not even complete. When you think about trading bb for a better starter and move GTJ back to bench or if we don’t sign him back Dick takes his spot which i also think dick will be comparable to GTJ considering how he started last year terribly. Not to mention the fit is better and hopefully Darko can develop that defensive strategy a little bit.

Tbh, OG was legit bad for us last year. His effort level was pathetic and there’s a legit chance RJ is better.

The OG we see in NYK was not the OG we had here for the first part of the season.

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Tbh, OG was legit bad for us last year. His effort level was pathetic and there’s a legit chance RJ is better.

The OG we see in NYK was not the OG we had here for the first part of the season.

RJ is a little quicker with better handles but worse on defense. Each fit their new teams better. What's needed right now is a big PG with potential (Carrington) and a lob threat/rim protector with shooting potential (Chomche as Ware will not be there at #31).

[youngRAPZ]

Siakam/OG at their best > IQ/RJ - that being said Siakam/OG as Raptors last year were giving negative defensive effort. So it is pretty tough to look at how we performed last year and make any conclusions on how 24/25 would go.

IQ/RJ/Poeltl/Barnes/GTJ (our SL) played 10 games together last year.

I understand what you are trying to say, but the simple fact we have more than 5 NBA caliber players to open next year means there is potential we end up being a .500 team unless we sell off. We opened last year with Flynn/McDaniels/Precious as our 7th/8th/9th men. If that next year is Brown (or whoever he is traded for), Olynyk, Agbaji, Year 2 Dick, #19/31 surprising, etc. we already are going to be better.

Pretty hard to win less than 30 games when you actually have a rotation full of well... rotation players.

Let’s do a quick on paper comparison lol

Jak=Jak
Siakam = Scottie
Og > Barrett
Scottie > GTJ
Dennis < Quick

GTJ = BB (I think GTJ is a little better on offence but brown better all around)
Precious < Olynyk
Flynn, Bouche, dick, mcdaniels < Ochai, Bouche, Dick, mcdanials, 19, 31 any free agents signed

I think both teams are close but I’d take this years team and it’s not even complete. When you think about trading bb for a better starter and move GTJ back to bench or if we don’t sign him back Dick takes his spot which i also think dick will be comparable to GTJ considering how he started last year terribly. Not to mention the fit is better and hopefully Darko can develop that defensive strategy a little bit.

Tbh, OG was legit bad for us last year. His effort level was pathetic and there’s a legit chance RJ is better.

The OG we see in NYK was not the OG we had here for the first part of the season.

I actually agree lol but If I put = then people would call me a homer

[Clutch0z24]

Draft will be riddled with talent....Just so the people who think we will be a over 30 win team next year with BBQ will be sadly mistaking....Team is not deep enough...We have about 5 players on the team that shouldn't be in the NBA and our top 8-9 Full rotation players are not all that great....

BBQ can have a big year and Dick will show some more growing but the team isn't winning 30+ games next year...

Spurs will be better than us next year....They have 2 lottery picks and will prolly use them to make a trade for an all star to pair with Wemby...Memphis will get Morant back + healthy Bane....They will go back to the playoffs....

Houston/GSW/Kings/Nets/Hawks/Bulls/Jazz are the teams we will have to compete against for the record of 30+ win teams in th NBA

Hornets/Wizards/Pistons/Blazers are the teams we would have to compete against to be a top 5 pick in the draft.

I think we are closer to the Tanking teams than the + 30 win teams in the NBA imo...Even if BBQ have a big year together...

We might even just end up in the exact same position as last year where we are 6th pick again...

One thing these people are forgetting that say we will win 30+ games next year....We started last year with Siakam/OG/Schroder/Barnes/Poeltlt to try and make the playins...We couldn't even get there with imo better players than what we will start the year with next season...Rn Siakam/OG>IQ/Barrett...And we were still a -20 win team with them trying to win...

That tells me we have a uphill battle to even crack 25 wins next year....

Siakam/OG at their best > IQ/RJ - that being said Siakam/OG as Raptors last year were giving negative defensive effort. So it is pretty tough to look at how we performed last year and make any conclusions on how 24/25 would go.

IQ/RJ/Poeltl/Barnes/GTJ (our SL) played 10 games together last year.

I understand what you are trying to say, but the simple fact we have more than 5 NBA caliber players to open next year means there is potential we end up being a .500 team unless we sell off. We opened last year with Flynn/McDaniels/Precious as our 7th/8th/9th men. If that next year is Brown (or whoever he is traded for), Olynyk, Agbaji, Year 2 Dick, #19/31 surprising, etc. we already are going to be better.

Pretty hard to win less than 30 games when you actually have a rotation full of well... rotation players.

Let’s do a quick on paper comparison lol

Jak=Jak
Siakam = Scottie
Og > Barrett
Scottie > GTJ
Dennis < Quick

GTJ = BB (I think GTJ is a little better on offence but brown better all around)
Precious < Olynyk
Flynn, Bouche, dick, mcdaniels < Ochai, Bouche, Dick, mcdanials, 19, 31 any free agents signed

I think both teams are close but I’d take this years team and it’s not even complete. When you think about trading bb for a better starter and move GTJ back to bench or if we don’t sign him back Dick takes his spot which i also think dick will be comparable to GTJ considering how he started last year terribly. Not to mention the fit is better and hopefully Darko can develop that defensive strategy a little bit.

Yeah it might be a marginal upgrade but is the roster upgraded enough to be a 35-40 win team next year? Looking at it as is objectivly i think we are the same as last year....20-25 win team...

[Yallbecrazy]

If Colin Murray-Boyles adds a jumper that's good and shows significant improvement in his free throw shooting he should probably go #1 next year unless one of the top recruits has an outstanding college season. Even a decent jumper puts him firmly in the top 5.

If his jumper is terrible then he's a fringe lotto pick at best.

[YogurtProducer]

Siakam/OG at their best > IQ/RJ - that being said Siakam/OG as Raptors last year were giving negative defensive effort. So it is pretty tough to look at how we performed last year and make any conclusions on how 24/25 would go.

IQ/RJ/Poeltl/Barnes/GTJ (our SL) played 10 games together last year.

I understand what you are trying to say, but the simple fact we have more than 5 NBA caliber players to open next year means there is potential we end up being a .500 team unless we sell off. We opened last year with Flynn/McDaniels/Precious as our 7th/8th/9th men. If that next year is Brown (or whoever he is traded for), Olynyk, Agbaji, Year 2 Dick, #19/31 surprising, etc. we already are going to be better.

Pretty hard to win less than 30 games when you actually have a rotation full of well... rotation players.

Let’s do a quick on paper comparison lol

Jak=Jak
Siakam = Scottie
Og > Barrett
Scottie > GTJ
Dennis < Quick

GTJ = BB (I think GTJ is a little better on offence but brown better all around)
Precious < Olynyk
Flynn, Bouche, dick, mcdaniels < Ochai, Bouche, Dick, mcdanials, 19, 31 any free agents signed

I think both teams are close but I’d take this years team and it’s not even complete. When you think about trading bb for a better starter and move GTJ back to bench or if we don’t sign him back Dick takes his spot which i also think dick will be comparable to GTJ considering how he started last year terribly. Not to mention the fit is better and hopefully Darko can develop that defensive strategy a little bit.

Yeah it might be a marginal upgrade but is the roster upgraded enough to be a 35-40 win team next year? Looking at it as is objectivly i think we are the same as last year....20-25 win team...

Tough to say. Season to season variability can be pretty extreme even for teams who do next to nothing upgrades wise. The 2022 vs 2023 vs 2024 Raptors is a perfect example. By all accounts, the 2023 team was more talented (post Jak trade) than 2022 and yet we experienced less success.

The 2012 and 2013 Raptors were largely the same, with the only meaningful difference getting rid of Gay and adding bench pieces and that sparked like 20 wins.

Bench depth is incredibly important to (regular season) success. If we go from having arguably the worst bench in the NBA to one who is average to above average that alone makes a big difference. Injuries dont hurt as much, your bench wins you a few games, they keep you in a few others, etc. can have a huge impact.

Not to mention, always the possibility IQ/Scottie/RJ break out big time as they are all in that "breakout" age of their careers.

The roster is to talented to win 20 games unless there are serious injuries and/or blatant tanking.

[Clutch0z24]

Let’s do a quick on paper comparison lol

Jak=Jak
Siakam = Scottie
Og > Barrett
Scottie > GTJ
Dennis < Quick

GTJ = BB (I think GTJ is a little better on offence but brown better all around)
Precious < Olynyk
Flynn, Bouche, dick, mcdaniels < Ochai, Bouche, Dick, mcdanials, 19, 31 any free agents signed

I think both teams are close but I’d take this years team and it’s not even complete. When you think about trading bb for a better starter and move GTJ back to bench or if we don’t sign him back Dick takes his spot which i also think dick will be comparable to GTJ considering how he started last year terribly. Not to mention the fit is better and hopefully Darko can develop that defensive strategy a little bit.

Yeah it might be a marginal upgrade but is the roster upgraded enough to be a 35-40 win team next year? Looking at it as is objectivly i think we are the same as last year....20-25 win team...

Tough to say. Season to season variability can be pretty extreme even for teams who do next to nothing upgrades wise. The 2022 vs 2023 vs 2024 Raptors is a perfect example. By all accounts, the 2023 team was more talented (post Jak trade) than 2022 and yet we experienced less success.

The 2012 and 2013 Raptors were largely the same, with the only meaningful difference getting rid of Gay and adding bench pieces and that sparked like 20 wins.

Bench depth is incredibly important to (regular season) success. If we go from having arguably the worst bench in the NBA to one who is average to above average that alone makes a big difference. Injuries dont hurt as much, your bench wins you a few games, they keep you in a few others, etc. can have a huge impact.

Not to mention, always the possibility IQ/Scottie/RJ break out big time as they are all in that "breakout" age of their careers.

The roster is to talented to win 20 games unless there are serious injuries and/or blatant tanking.

Been the same song n dance for the last while here ....I will believe it when i see it...I don't think we will be a deep team and i don't see ways we upgrade the roster that much to be good enough compared to other teams around the league who will be looking to upgrade...

We lack trade assets (All our trade assets are sunken value wise) and we are not going to trade draft picks again unless Masai wants to get fired...Free agency for the Raptors always been a wash...

Theres no real ways to improve to a 35-40 win team and even if you are in that 35-40 wins thats literally the worst place to be in anyways and its not really something to brag about being in that position in the NBA...

Its not like before where Masai had 2 legit All star high level players in DeRozan/KL and had a treasure chest of high end players we aquired through drafting over the years in top 10 and also getting lucky late in drafts.... JV, Ross, Siakam, Powell, FVV, Wright, OG,Poeltl....All players we aquired through the draft and used all of them including DeRozan to make trades to make a campionship team...

We just don't have them kind of assets on our team atm and i don't think we will for a while until we play the draft right for a few years...

[RoteSchroder]

Yeah it might be a marginal upgrade but is the roster upgraded enough to be a 35-40 win team next year? Looking at it as is objectivly i think we are the same as last year....20-25 win team...

Likely depends on injuries, we had to go on a huge tanking streak to get to 25 with multiple players injured/sitting. Our record with Poeltl is over 0.400 both pre- and post-trades, which puts us at over 30 wins.

I don't see most of the bottom feeders or play-in teams in the East getting that much better. For the middle of the pack, Heat might move on from Butler. Philly need to deal with Embiid's knee problems and Harris will be leaving. Bucks are on a downward trend, Lopez will be 37, Lillard and Middleton have already started regressing.

In the West, the Spurs, Grizzlies, maybe Blazers will be better, but GSW and Lakers are one year older. On the Clippers, Harden/PG are getting up there in age and Kawhi's health status is in question again.

In other words, there will be a lot of mediocrity. Raptors may not be better than these mid-level teams, but they can occasionally snag wins from them, which prevents us from tanking to the level of a 20-25 win team.

[youngRAPZ]

Yeah it might be a marginal upgrade but is the roster upgraded enough to be a 35-40 win team next year? Looking at it as is objectivly i think we are the same as last year....20-25 win team...

Tough to say. Season to season variability can be pretty extreme even for teams who do next to nothing upgrades wise. The 2022 vs 2023 vs 2024 Raptors is a perfect example. By all accounts, the 2023 team was more talented (post Jak trade) than 2022 and yet we experienced less success.

The 2012 and 2013 Raptors were largely the same, with the only meaningful difference getting rid of Gay and adding bench pieces and that sparked like 20 wins.

Bench depth is incredibly important to (regular season) success. If we go from having arguably the worst bench in the NBA to one who is average to above average that alone makes a big difference. Injuries dont hurt as much, your bench wins you a few games, they keep you in a few others, etc. can have a huge impact.

Not to mention, always the possibility IQ/Scottie/RJ break out big time as they are all in that "breakout" age of their careers.

The roster is to talented to win 20 games unless there are serious injuries and/or blatant tanking.

Been the same song n dance for the last while here ....I will believe it when i see it...I don't think we will be a deep team and i don't see ways we upgrade the roster that much to be good enough compared to other teams around the league who will be looking to upgrade...

We lack trade assets (All our trade assets are sunken value wise) and we are not going to trade draft picks again unless Masai wants to get fired...Free agency for the Raptors always been a wash...

Theres no real ways to improve to a 35-40 win team and even if you are in that 35-40 wins thats literally the worst place to be in anyways and its not really something to brag about being in that position in the NBA...

Its not like before where Masai had 2 legit All star high level players in DeRozan/KL and had a treasure chest of high end players we aquired through drafting over the years in top 10 and also getting lucky late in drafts.... JV, Ross, Siakam, Powell, FVV, Wright, OG,Poeltl....All players we aquired through the draft and used all of them including DeRozan to make trades to make a campionship team...

We just don't have them kind of assets on our team atm and i don't think we will for a while until we play the draft right for a few years...

I hate when people say this because it’s actually pretty dumb. There’s context that needs to be applied to being a 35-40 win team. Tell me where OKC finished last year and now tell me where they finished this year.

Now don’t bother wasting your time trying to tell me we don’t have a shai on our roster. That’s not the point the point is young teams don’t go from bottom 5 in the lottery where you wish us to finish straight to top seeds very often. No they usually gradually improve. So just because your crystal ball doesn’t show them winning 35-40 games doesn’t mean it can’t happen and it definitely doesn’t mean that’s the worst place for us to be seeing as going from 25-35-maybe 45 or 55 the year after could definitely be possible.

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If Colin Murray-Boyles adds a jumper that's good and shows significant improvement in his free throw shooting he should probably go #1 next year unless one of the top recruits has an outstanding college season. Even a decent jumper puts him firmly in the top 5.

If his jumper is terrible then he's a fringe lotto pick at best.

Even if they have a so-so years Flagg and Bailey should still be #1 and 2. CMB might be like a Scottie Barnes type of pick.

[YogurtProducer]

Tough to say. Season to season variability can be pretty extreme even for teams who do next to nothing upgrades wise. The 2022 vs 2023 vs 2024 Raptors is a perfect example. By all accounts, the 2023 team was more talented (post Jak trade) than 2022 and yet we experienced less success.

The 2012 and 2013 Raptors were largely the same, with the only meaningful difference getting rid of Gay and adding bench pieces and that sparked like 20 wins.

Bench depth is incredibly important to (regular season) success. If we go from having arguably the worst bench in the NBA to one who is average to above average that alone makes a big difference. Injuries dont hurt as much, your bench wins you a few games, they keep you in a few others, etc. can have a huge impact.

Not to mention, always the possibility IQ/Scottie/RJ break out big time as they are all in that "breakout" age of their careers.

The roster is to talented to win 20 games unless there are serious injuries and/or blatant tanking.

Been the same song n dance for the last while here ....I will believe it when i see it...I don't think we will be a deep team and i don't see ways we upgrade the roster that much to be good enough compared to other teams around the league who will be looking to upgrade...

We lack trade assets (All our trade assets are sunken value wise) and we are not going to trade draft picks again unless Masai wants to get fired...Free agency for the Raptors always been a wash...

Theres no real ways to improve to a 35-40 win team and even if you are in that 35-40 wins thats literally the worst place to be in anyways and its not really something to brag about being in that position in the NBA...

Its not like before where Masai had 2 legit All star high level players in DeRozan/KL and had a treasure chest of high end players we aquired through drafting over the years in top 10 and also getting lucky late in drafts.... JV, Ross, Siakam, Powell, FVV, Wright, OG,Poeltl....All players we aquired through the draft and used all of them including DeRozan to make trades to make a campionship team...

We just don't have them kind of assets on our team atm and i don't think we will for a while until we play the draft right for a few years...

I hate when people say this because it’s actually pretty dumb. There’s context that needs to be applied to being a 35-40 win team. Tell me where OKC finished last year and now tell me where they finished this year.

Now don’t bother wasting your time trying to tell me we don’t have a shai on our roster. That’s not the point the point is young teams don’t go from bottom 5 in the lottery where you wish us to finish straight to top seeds very often. No they usually gradually improve. So just because your crystal ball doesn’t show them winning 35-40 games doesn’t mean it can’t happen and it definitely doesn’t mean that’s the worst place for us to be seeing as going from 25-35-maybe 45 or 55 the year after could definitely be possible.

Especially considering when this team was healthy anyways it probably already was a 35-40 win team. The **** team won 48 and 41 games in the two seasons prior to last year. If any of our guys step up and can give Siakam level scoring (which RJ actually was doing wildly enough) there is no reason why we should not go into next season with aims to be a low playoff seed.

[Steelo Green]

This fear tanking destroys a player - look at the Wolves and Thunder.