Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Mia elects to trade Jimmy, they would be wise to blow it up and trade Bam too.

The team not only would be a perpetual lottery team without Jimmy, their brand of basketball becomes even more of an unholy mess to watch.

Trade Bam to OKC and they might be able to fetch Jalen Williams in return along with a pick package.

Why? Bam is young, you can use your trade chips to keep building up and many players around the league would be willing to tag team with Bam. You never go full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as they say, in that movie line.

Play it out and what's the hopeful hypothetical that's worth indulging into?

In the meantime, the team is going to stink record wise and the on-court product is gonna be a disaster to watch.

For a team that found a way to compete with Whiteside, JJ, Waiters, and TJ i think the product with Bam and the young talent on the roster will do just fine. Any notion of trading our young franchise pillar is absurd.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Mia elects to trade Jimmy, they would be wise to blow it up and trade Bam too.

The team not only would be a perpetual lottery team without Jimmy, their brand of basketball becomes even more of an unholy mess to watch.

Trade Bam to OKC and they might be able to fetch Jalen Williams in return along with a pick package.

Why? Bam is young, you can use your trade chips to keep building up and many players around the league would be willing to tag team with Bam. You never go full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as they say, in that movie line.

Play it out and what's the hopeful hypothetical that's worth indulging into?

In the meantime, the team is going to stink record wise and the on-court product is gonna be a disaster to watch.

Best wins this season came without Jimmy

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Still dwelling on Mitchell for those who can stomach it. This is the landscape I'm seeing:

- The only real monetary advantage for staying with Cleveland is CLE being able to offer a 5th year
- CLE reportedly seeking to offer a 4-year max (no monetary advantage vs any other team offering the same)
- Knicks still loom, but all the recent rumblings seem to be moving away from the Mitchell sweepstakes. We've all harped on the bad fit with the Knicks and most of the speculation I've read has the knicks sights set elsewhere for wing and frontcourt help
- Nets owner Joe Tsai has basically come out and said the Nets will be taking a longer term approach and going for a rebuild.

There are definitely other suitors to be concerned about competing with, but gotta wonder if they are teams that Mitchell will give any indication he will want to re-sign with.

GET IT DONE!!!

[Beenie]

Why? Bam is young, you can use your trade chips to keep building up and many players around the league would be willing to tag team with Bam. You never go full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as they say, in that movie line.

Play it out and what's the hopeful hypothetical that's worth indulging into?

In the meantime, the team is going to stink record wise and the on-court product is gonna be a disaster to watch.

For a team that found a way to compete with Whiteside, JJ, Waiters, and TJ i think the product with Bam and the young talent on the roster will do just fine. Any notion of trading our young franchise pillar is absurd.

This team scratched and clawed their way into the playoffs the last 2 years as a play-in team with Jimmy.

Without Jimmy, this team would be blessed to have the success of the Whiteside, Waiters, Dragic lead teams.

[EMC5466]

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[twix2500]

Along with the 76ers, according to league sources, there are two other teams that have made it known in league circles that they would be willing to trade for Butler and sign him to a max-level contract. Butler turns 35 on Sept. 14.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article288806330.html#storylink=cpy

[DayofMourning]

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Love you Butler but if you need help packing I will cut short my vacation to help you. Xoxo.

[marson]

The other team could be Clippers I feel. Kawhi wanted Jimmy in 2019 offseason

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The other team could be Clippers I feel. Kawhi wanted Jimmy in 2019 offseason

Aren’t Jimmy and Harden boys too? With PGs uncertainty it might be the clippers. I’d guess the Warriors too, maybe the Rockets

[AirP.]

The other team could be Clippers I feel. Kawhi wanted Jimmy in 2019 offseason

Had they signed Butler (which was Kawhi's first option) they wouldn't have traded for P.George and would have had SGA and all the other assets still on the roster.

I think Houston is one of the 2 other teams.

[Flash4thewin]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

[AirP.]

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[Beenie]

Why? Bam is young, you can use your trade chips to keep building up and many players around the league would be willing to tag team with Bam. You never go full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as they say, in that movie line.

Play it out and what's the hopeful hypothetical that's worth indulging into?

In the meantime, the team is going to stink record wise and the on-court product is gonna be a disaster to watch.

Best wins this season came without Jimmy

I don't know how to tell tbh

Not many big/ signature wins to speak of.

They beat Philly a couple times without Jimmy but Philly didnt have Embiid either of those games. They also lost to Philly 3 other times, once without Jimmy and the playin game that Jimmy got hurt in.

The Milwaukee win was solid without Jimmy.

The Knicks win with Jimmy was up there, though.

As was the end of year OT win against the Hawks with Jimmy.

Whole season was a give and take with too few signature big wins.

Pretty evident though that without Jimmy, things would have been a whole lot worse.

[Flash4thewin]

Play it out and what's the hopeful hypothetical that's worth indulging into?

In the meantime, the team is going to stink record wise and the on-court product is gonna be a disaster to watch.

Best wins this season came without Jimmy

I don't know how to tell tbh

Not many big/ signature wins to speak of.

They beat Philly a couple times without Jimmy but Philly didnt have Embiid either of those games. They also lost to Philly 3 other times, once without Jimmy and the playin game that Jimmy got hurt in.

The Milwaukee win was solid without Jimmy.

The Knicks win with Jimmy was up there, though.

As was the end of year OT win against the Hawks with Jimmy.

Whole season was a give and take with too few signature big wins.

Pretty evident though that without Jimmy, things would have been a whole lot worse.

Also we need to remember that regular season wins are nothing like playoff wins, they are totally different animals. In the playoffs teams have time to scout you out, attack your weaknesses with impunity. In the regular season it's just a grind it out situation and moving on to the next team. Thats why you see certain players win regular season awards multiple times only to get exposed in the playoffs, the playoffs are a different animal.

[AirP.]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

I I'd rather have Butler for 3 more years on that contract than a combo of Herro and Robinson on their contracts.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Play it out and what's the hopeful hypothetical that's worth indulging into?

In the meantime, the team is going to stink record wise and the on-court product is gonna be a disaster to watch.

Best wins this season came without Jimmy

I don't know how to tell tbh

Not many big/ signature wins to speak of.

They beat Philly a couple times without Jimmy but Philly didnt have Embiid either of those games. They also lost to Philly 3 other times, once without Jimmy and the playin game that Jimmy got hurt in.

The Milwaukee win was solid without Jimmy.

The Knicks win with Jimmy was up there, though.

As was the end of year OT win against the Hawks with Jimmy.

Whole season was a give and take with too few signature big wins.

Pretty evident though that without Jimmy, things would have been a whole lot worse.

I’m not advocating for moving Jimmy or anything but his impact on the regular season just wasn’t anything to speak of. You can allocate his $50M elsewhere and pretty easily find ourselves back into the play in tourney worst case. There weren’t any games where he was just willing us to wins. As annoying as he is in the regular season it’s fine I guess as long as he shows up when it matters, he didn’t this season and in return it was a wasted season mostly on his shoulders

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Along with the 76ers, according to league sources, there are two other teams that have made it known in league circles that they would be willing to trade for Butler and sign him to a max-level contract. Butler turns 35 on Sept. 14.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article288806330.html#storylink=cpy

Trade Jimmy if he wants the full max right now. He's about to be 35, and takes too many nights off anyway

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Get Mitchell, Trae, or PG, maybe Ingram and then give extensions and lock your big 3 in for the next 3 seasons or so. Fill the roster out around them with the best veteran pieces you can find that fit and win the championship health permitting. Idk how this isn’t Pats top priority (if it isn’t)

[AirP.]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Trade Jimmy now to a team willing to give him extension or extend him. I don’t see a scenario playing out where he plays this year under the current contract and expect him not to cause waves. That’s never been Jimmy’s MO. Out of those 3 teams that are identified by his agent you take the best offer. Can’t go into camp with a disgruntled Jimmy.