Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[twix2500]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

I I'd rather have Butler for 3 more years on that contract than a combo of Herro and Robinson on their contracts.

If the Heat move on from Jimmy the Heat are rebuilding around Bam. Everyone else are trade chips as they remodel the roster. The only one outside of Bam that they may be resistant to trade will be Jaquez. This will be a 2 to 3 yr rebuild.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I could definitely see the Rockets as one of the 3 teams. Butler is from Houston and i can see Ime Udoka pounding the table to get Jimmy there.

[twix2500]

Decision Jimmy and Bam extension should happen before free agency. If they decide to trade Jimmy, i believe the Heat would go all in on Mitchell and or Ingram.

Me personally I like the foundation of Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Jovic and Bam and start remodeling from there.

[AirP.]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

I I'd rather have Butler for 3 more years on that contract than a combo of Herro and Robinson on their contracts.

If the Heat move on from Jimmy the Heat are rebuilding around Bam. Everyone else are trade chips as they remodel the roster. The only one outside of Bam that they may be resistant to trade will be Jaquez. This will be a 2 to 3 yr rebuild.

I get retool around Bam, not so much rebuild around Bam who's going to be 27 in 6 weeks. Rebuilding implies waiting on future draft picks (and some current ones) to develop which is a 2-3 year process from this point so that leaves you with Bam being 29-30 when you're ready to contend again if everything goes right. It's why I keep saying, get a new #1 before moving the current one, you're now talking about wasting some of Bam's prime years and putting the franchise back to a similar timeline when they acquired Butler.

[SA37]

OKC isn't trading for Butler. If they're trading a bunch for a star, why wouldn't they throw a few more firsts for a much younger star that's probably only on their 2nd contract?

Who is that player?

The best players that are currently available seem to be Trey Young, Zach Lavine, Donovan Mitchell (or, if reports are correct, Garland if Mitchell re-signs with the Cavs), Julius Randle, and Brandon Ingram (?). And probably only Atlanta and Chicago would be willing to take a package like Dort and picks.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Imagine if the Rockets dangle that 3rd pick for Butler? I could see Riley having a major hard on for Reed Sheppard lol.

[contract]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

I I'd rather have Butler for 3 more years on that contract than a combo of Herro and Robinson on their contracts.

I'd rather have neither. See, it's not hard to make good decisions or to avoid obviously bad ones.

[contract]

Trade Jimmy now to a team willing to give him extension or extend him. I don’t see a scenario playing out where he plays this year under the current contract and expect him not to cause waves. That’s never been Jimmy’s MO. Out of those 3 teams that are identified by his agent you take the best offer. Can’t go into camp with a disgruntled Jimmy.

Then bring back James Johnson and assign him to babysit Jimmy. That's cheaper than paying 37 year old Jimmy.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Udoka gonna be like phuck these kids get me Jimmy lol.

[AirP.]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

I I'd rather have Butler for 3 more years on that contract than a combo of Herro and Robinson on their contracts.

I'd rather have neither. See, it's not hard to make good decisions or to avoid obviously bad ones.

Each year you have to spend 90% of the cap and just because you have space doesn't mean good players will come. So who are you spending that money on that is better than either of those? Maybe Miami will find its next D.Waiters or J.Johnson? You'd also be flushing a few years of Bam's prime down the toilet.

I don't mind seeing Miami go back to what they were building before Butler forced his way to Miami which greatly helped the franchise.

[SA37]

I don't think Miami has the pieces to get a deal for Mitchell done.

I think Miami would be crazy to give Butler a 2-year max extension, but I also thought it was crazy to give him the max when Miami traded for him. So what do I know?

[contract]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

Same exact people who complain about Duncan's contract will be doing the same about Jimmy's if we extend him.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

It doesn't matter why players want to come here. Only that they want to.

[Flash4thewin]

I don't think Miami has the pieces to get a deal for Mitchell done.

I think Miami would be crazy to give Butler a 2-year max extension, but I also thought it was crazy to give him the max when Miami traded for him. So what do I know?

Yeah we clearly dont have the pieces for a Mitchell deal, thats pretty obvious. As for the extension in reality it's just one more year, since Jimmy has a players option which he will opt into. So again all of this fuss over a one year deal does sound pretty foolish but when egos come into play, things get tricky and problematic.

[contract]

I I'd rather have Butler for 3 more years on that contract than a combo of Herro and Robinson on their contracts.

I'd rather have neither. See, it's not hard to make good decisions or to avoid obviously bad ones.

Each year you have to spend 90% of the cap and just because you have space doesn't mean good players will come. So who are you spending that money on that is better than either of those? Maybe Miami will find its next D.Waiters or J.Johnson? You'd also be flushing a few years of Bam's prime down the toilet.

I don't mind seeing Miami go back to what they were building before Butler forced his way to Miami which greatly helped the franchise.

Not a 37 year old. I will spend the money on someone whose best days aren't far in his rear-view mirror.

The alternative to an obviously bad decision isn't only other bad decisions. For example, you could make good ones instead.

[greg4012]

I don't think Miami has the pieces to get a deal for Mitchell done.

I think Miami would be crazy to give Butler a 2-year max extension, but I also thought it was crazy to give him the max when Miami traded for him. So what do I know?

Yeah we clearly dont have the pieces for a Mitchell deal, thats pretty obvious. As for the extension in reality it's just one more year, since Jimmy has a players option which he will opt into. So again all of this fuss over a one year deal does sound pretty foolish but when egos come into play, things get tricky and problematic.

I personally don't see how it's obvious that we don't have pieces for a Mitchell deal. I think it's up for debate and speculation. Next season is the last guaranteed year of his current contract. This will be the first time in Donovan's career that he can really exercise agency in deciding where he will play the next chunk of his NBA career.

[carnageta]

All of this over one extra year and 50 million is beyond idiotic. Just pay the man.

The elephant in the room is just imagine what Donovan or other star players are thinking. It's no secret we failed Butler and Bam and have on multiple times decided to go on the cheap and lose a starter rather than pay him. Our front office never went all on Butler and Bam, who that got them to the finals twice, that got them to the Eastern finals 3 time etc. If you are a star player seeing first hand how our front office didnt go in especially with those results, one just needs to wonder when will they ever go all in? If you are Donovan why would you honestly try to force a trade here other than location, which has nothing to do with our front office.

I don't think I'd say we 'failed Butler'. We definitely missed out on some great opportunities to improve the roster, but hingsight is 20/20 and the fact is this team made 3 ECFs and 2 finals appearances in a span of 5 years. When we first acquired Butler back in 2019, the consensus around the league was that Jimmy went to South Beach to party and be part of a fringe playoff team. The latter has been true for the past 2 seasons but it doesn't take away from the fact that this team accomplished more than 90% of teams around the league during the last 5 seasons.


If we 'failed Butler', then literally every team that hasn't won a championship in the past 5 years has failed their best player - which means everybody is on equal playing around lol.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We have enough for a Mitchell trade.

[carnageta]

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After we trade Jimmy to Philly and they eliminate us on our home floor next season, Jimmy will be heard walking down the tunnel yelling "Caron Butler over me?!".

[carnageta]

We do have enough for a Mitchell trade. However, the question becomes are we willing to part ways with the kids (and all of our depth) when there's a possibility we could grab Mitchell next offseason in free agency?


As much as Pat wants a 'whale' - keep in mind how he iterated the importance of depth in that press conference a month ago. If Riley feels he can keep most of his assets and sign Mitchell next season in free agency, I think he'd go that approach as opposed to trading Herro, Jacquez, Jovic, etc. etc. for him this summer.





Or he might just eff it and get him here this year and worry about the complimentary pieces afterwards