Wiggins for Olynyk + McDaniels?

[ForeverTFC]

just some financials if we trade for wiggins-

in 25/26 season, we would have these contracts (if we let gary walk too):

wiggins - 28 mil
rj - 28 mil
yak - 19.5 mil
iq - 30 mil
barnes - 35 mil
total for starters: 140.5 mil

bench
kelly: 13.5
gradey: 6
ochai: 6.4

overall total: 166.4 mil (not including 2024 and 2025 draft picks)

projected cap is approx 145 mil
projected luxury is 178 mil

so taking on wiggins and our 2024 and 2025 draft picks may put us in luxury in 25/26 season.

with the new tv deal kicking in, i wouldn't be surprised if the lux tax is much higher than that.

it's possible. i'm just increasing by 3% like they did this year. even if it's a little more, like $183 mil, we'd have about $15-17 mil to fill out the roster (24 and 25 draft picks and whatever other signings).

you could make the deal now and see how it works out next season and then decide whether to keep the investment or tear it down the following summer which makes trading kelly instead of brown a bit more appetizing as it removes that $13.5 mil in 25/26.

The cap will likely be $~155m for '25/'26: $141m is the latest estimate from the NBA for next year, new media deal kicks in the following year (current deal doesn't end until the end of next season) so 10% on top of next year's cap. Very little margin for error. And that's w/ letting GTJ go for free.

If I could, I would sticky this post as seemingly everyone is on the Wiggin bandwagon. It's doable, but unless we are getting rewarded very well for it, it doesn't make sense. To make it work, either we have to shed Peoltl or Barrett for depth or deal with being a bubble play-in team at the tax line. Same is true for any large salary that doesn't expire in the next 2 years.

[WuTang_CMB]

too much infatuation with wiggins

[YogurtProducer]

The problem with Wiggins is that...we are all just waiting for him to become the player we all hoped he'd be when he was drafted. He shows flashes of that but then disappears for long stretches.

You want to think he comes around and makes good on that horrible contract of his...it's probably not happening.

I'd be offended that Wiggins is probably the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player on the team despite probably being the 5th or 6th best player. I want nothing to do with his underperforming ass.

Wiggins was considering a toxic asset in Minny - then suddenly was an (unworthy) all star and a starter on a championship team.

He is still a great defender, solid shooter, and actually a great fit with our core 4 guys in IQ/RJ/Scottie/Poeltl.

Olynyk/McDaniels for Wiggins is a clear yes. Even more-so if GSW and the leauge views Wiggins as negative as fans do and if we can get additional assets thrown in (Moody? a 1st?)

He was good...until he got paid. Wiggins hasn't been that guy on a championship team ever since he signed that huge extension.

He only played 37 games the year after winning the championship and signing the extension and missed games because of "personal reasons". His stats and minutes took a major drop this past season...and once again...he left the team for "personal reasons". Not sure what these reasons were but that along with his scoring average dropping to 13 ppg...that's concerning.

He's not worth the contract he's making and I don't want him anywhere near our young guys.

I mean - his stats in the 2023 POs (after getting paid) are damn near identical to his 2022 stats, and he still ranks out pretty high on a lot of defense stats IIRC (Oakley might have better info there than I).

The 37 games were last year, the 13ppg was this year (but a big thing was he played 5mpg less this year, on a per 36 basis it only dropped 1.5 points, but on 1.4 less shots to).

I dont love Wiggins by any means, but if someone is just giving him away (and maybe sending assets to), I would jump all over that.

No one is saying he still has to be here in 2 years. He is easily a guy you immediately can make available in other deals ALA Bruce Brown right now.

[mtcan]

Wiggins was considering a toxic asset in Minny - then suddenly was an (unworthy) all star and a starter on a championship team.

He is still a great defender, solid shooter, and actually a great fit with our core 4 guys in IQ/RJ/Scottie/Poeltl.

Olynyk/McDaniels for Wiggins is a clear yes. Even more-so if GSW and the leauge views Wiggins as negative as fans do and if we can get additional assets thrown in (Moody? a 1st?)

He was good...until he got paid. Wiggins hasn't been that guy on a championship team ever since he signed that huge extension.

He only played 37 games the year after winning the championship and signing the extension and missed games because of "personal reasons". His stats and minutes took a major drop this past season...and once again...he left the team for "personal reasons". Not sure what these reasons were but that along with his scoring average dropping to 13 ppg...that's concerning.

He's not worth the contract he's making and I don't want him anywhere near our young guys.

I mean - his stats in the 2023 POs (after getting paid) are damn near identical to his 2022 stats, and he still ranks out pretty high on a lot of defense stats IIRC (Oakley might have better info there than I).

The 37 games were last year, the 13ppg was this year (but a big thing was he played 5mpg less this year, on a per 36 basis it only dropped 1.5 points, but on 1.4 less shots to).

I dont love Wiggins by any means, but if someone is just giving him away (and maybe sending assets to), I would jump all over that.

No one is saying he still has to be here in 2 years. He is easily a guy you immediately can make available in other deals ALA Bruce Brown right now.

He's redundant while we have younger and possibly better players...so not worth trading away future cap flexibility for him.

If GS is sending along Podz as sweetener...that's a different story...but Wiggins alone?...nah...not worth it.

[YogurtProducer]

He was good...until he got paid. Wiggins hasn't been that guy on a championship team ever since he signed that huge extension.

He only played 37 games the year after winning the championship and signing the extension and missed games because of "personal reasons". His stats and minutes took a major drop this past season...and once again...he left the team for "personal reasons". Not sure what these reasons were but that along with his scoring average dropping to 13 ppg...that's concerning.

He's not worth the contract he's making and I don't want him anywhere near our young guys.

I mean - his stats in the 2023 POs (after getting paid) are damn near identical to his 2022 stats, and he still ranks out pretty high on a lot of defense stats IIRC (Oakley might have better info there than I).

The 37 games were last year, the 13ppg was this year (but a big thing was he played 5mpg less this year, on a per 36 basis it only dropped 1.5 points, but on 1.4 less shots to).

I dont love Wiggins by any means, but if someone is just giving him away (and maybe sending assets to), I would jump all over that.

No one is saying he still has to be here in 2 years. He is easily a guy you immediately can make available in other deals ALA Bruce Brown right now.

He's redundant while we have younger and possibly better players...so not worth trading away future cap flexibility for him.

If GS is sending along Podz as sweetener...that's a different story...but Wiggins alone?...nah...not worth it.

Better players? lets not kid ourselves, Wiggins is immediately our 2nd to 5th best player. The only clear cut better player is Scottie. Wiggins would be in the same tier as IQ/RJ/Poeltl. He would be our best on-ball defender (something we severely lack), and would be one of the few guys on our team who can shoot the 3 and also defend at an above average level. FAR from redundant, and actually fits our lineup quite well.

Future cap flex? Man, that is gone as soon as IQ and Barnes sign extensions anyways. Getting Wiggins maybe prevents us from some MLE signings in 2025 and 2026, but the vast majority of those end up as bums anyways.

Again - getting Wiggins now does not mean you sit back and make no other moves.

[srhcan]

Olynyk and defense shouldn’t be uttered in the same sentence. He is in competition for one of the worst defensive players in the league.

Career Defensive Box Plus/Minus:
Wiggins: -1.5
Olynyk: 0.8

Career Defensive Win Shares:
Wiggins: 14.5
Olynyk: 20.9

For context, Olynyk has played 1 more season but Wiggins has played roughly 7K more minutes.

Wiggins right there in the sewer with him, at a much higher price tag.

This post reminds me of quote:

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics

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[JB7]

I mean - his stats in the 2023 POs (after getting paid) are damn near identical to his 2022 stats, and he still ranks out pretty high on a lot of defense stats IIRC (Oakley might have better info there than I).

The 37 games were last year, the 13ppg was this year (but a big thing was he played 5mpg less this year, on a per 36 basis it only dropped 1.5 points, but on 1.4 less shots to).

I dont love Wiggins by any means, but if someone is just giving him away (and maybe sending assets to), I would jump all over that.

No one is saying he still has to be here in 2 years. He is easily a guy you immediately can make available in other deals ALA Bruce Brown right now.

He's redundant while we have younger and possibly better players...so not worth trading away future cap flexibility for him.

If GS is sending along Podz as sweetener...that's a different story...but Wiggins alone?...nah...not worth it.

Better players? lets not kid ourselves, Wiggins is immediately our 2nd to 5th best player. The only clear cut better player is Scottie. Wiggins would be in the same tier as IQ/RJ/Poeltl. He would be our best on-ball defender (something we severely lack), and would be one of the few guys on our team who can shoot the 3 and also defend at an above average level. FAR from redundant, and actually fits our lineup quite well.

Future cap flex? Man, that is gone as soon as IQ and Barnes sign extensions anyways. Getting Wiggins maybe prevents us from some MLE signings in 2025 and 2026, but the vast majority of those end up as bums anyways.

Again - getting Wiggins now does not mean you sit back and make no other moves.

As stated above, Wiggins is a temporary gap filler, until the Raps can either draft, develop or trade for that future 3&D option.

His presence means the heat does not get turned up on Gradey & OA, and those two are allowed to actually develop slowly out of the spotlight of a starting lineup role.

[srhcan]

I don't get it. This conversation keeps happening only because he's Canadian IMO. But he's not even that patriotic, judging by his indifference to playing for the NT. I'm also not sure why people assume he's itching to play in Toronto.

Hes actually suited up for Canada a few times and seems like is going to be playing in the Olympics too. He's had some family issues the past few years and him being home potentially can allow him to better juggle issues that have kept him out.

I'm not saying he's my top priority but if he can get him WITH assets then it shouldn't hurt to take the chance. Worst case, he becomes a great expiring contract the same year RJ/Poeltl expire too.

I'm' not against it if we get paid for it. The other problem with this particular scenario is that the Raps are not trading Kelly. He said he's always dreamed of playing for the Raptors and wants to end his career in Toronto. They also went out of their way to re-sign him quickly. Masai won't do him dirty like that.

Dont count on it.

[mtcan]

I mean - his stats in the 2023 POs (after getting paid) are damn near identical to his 2022 stats, and he still ranks out pretty high on a lot of defense stats IIRC (Oakley might have better info there than I).

The 37 games were last year, the 13ppg was this year (but a big thing was he played 5mpg less this year, on a per 36 basis it only dropped 1.5 points, but on 1.4 less shots to).

I dont love Wiggins by any means, but if someone is just giving him away (and maybe sending assets to), I would jump all over that.

No one is saying he still has to be here in 2 years. He is easily a guy you immediately can make available in other deals ALA Bruce Brown right now.

He's redundant while we have younger and possibly better players...so not worth trading away future cap flexibility for him.

If GS is sending along Podz as sweetener...that's a different story...but Wiggins alone?...nah...not worth it.

Better players? lets not kid ourselves, Wiggins is immediately our 2nd to 5th best player. The only clear cut better player is Scottie. Wiggins would be in the same tier as IQ/RJ/Poeltl. He would be our best on-ball defender (something we severely lack), and would be one of the few guys on our team who can shoot the 3 and also defend at an above average level. FAR from redundant, and actually fits our lineup quite well.

Future cap flex? Man, that is gone as soon as IQ and Barnes sign extensions anyways. Getting Wiggins maybe prevents us from some MLE signings in 2025 and 2026, but the vast majority of those end up as bums anyways.

Again - getting Wiggins now does not mean you sit back and make no other moves.

LOL...no.

Dude averaged 13 ppg last season!!! He's making 27-30 million per season for that kind of production. How is he our 2nd-5th best player?!?

The delusion around here...ugh...

[YogurtProducer]

He's redundant while we have younger and possibly better players...so not worth trading away future cap flexibility for him.

If GS is sending along Podz as sweetener...that's a different story...but Wiggins alone?...nah...not worth it.

Better players? lets not kid ourselves, Wiggins is immediately our 2nd to 5th best player. The only clear cut better player is Scottie. Wiggins would be in the same tier as IQ/RJ/Poeltl. He would be our best on-ball defender (something we severely lack), and would be one of the few guys on our team who can shoot the 3 and also defend at an above average level. FAR from redundant, and actually fits our lineup quite well.

Future cap flex? Man, that is gone as soon as IQ and Barnes sign extensions anyways. Getting Wiggins maybe prevents us from some MLE signings in 2025 and 2026, but the vast majority of those end up as bums anyways.

Again - getting Wiggins now does not mean you sit back and make no other moves.

LOL...no.

Dude averaged 13 ppg last season!!! He's making 27-30 million per season for that kind of production. How is he our 2nd-5th best player?!?

The delusion around here...ugh...

Because there are 2 sides to the court? And Wiggins plays with Curry/Klay/Kuminga who are all efficient scorers who have higher usage than Wiggins?

Poeltl averaged 11ppg. I guess Wiggins is automatically superior with his 13ppg? Or is that a stupid game to play?

The only player clearly better than Wiggins is Scottie. Every other one is debateable. Dont confuse potential with current production.

RJ --- had a good few months of efficient scoring but average (at best) defence.
IQ --- see above
Poeltl --- same as Wiggins really. Good defender, low usage offensive guy
GTJ --- better shooter, worse defender.

Wiggins is in the same tier with those 4 ^, and GTJ is a tier below them all as well.

[YogurtProducer]

He's redundant while we have younger and possibly better players...so not worth trading away future cap flexibility for him.

If GS is sending along Podz as sweetener...that's a different story...but Wiggins alone?...nah...not worth it.

Better players? lets not kid ourselves, Wiggins is immediately our 2nd to 5th best player. The only clear cut better player is Scottie. Wiggins would be in the same tier as IQ/RJ/Poeltl. He would be our best on-ball defender (something we severely lack), and would be one of the few guys on our team who can shoot the 3 and also defend at an above average level. FAR from redundant, and actually fits our lineup quite well.

Future cap flex? Man, that is gone as soon as IQ and Barnes sign extensions anyways. Getting Wiggins maybe prevents us from some MLE signings in 2025 and 2026, but the vast majority of those end up as bums anyways.

Again - getting Wiggins now does not mean you sit back and make no other moves.

As stated above, Wiggins is a temporary gap filler, until the Raps can either draft, develop or trade for that future 3&D option.

His presence means the heat does not get turned up on Gradey & OA, and those two are allowed to actually develop slowly out of the spotlight of a starting lineup role.

This board seems to struggle with understanding how fast rosters turn around in the NBA. Getting Wiggins in 2024 does not lock him into being here in 2030.

[JB7]

Better players? lets not kid ourselves, Wiggins is immediately our 2nd to 5th best player. The only clear cut better player is Scottie. Wiggins would be in the same tier as IQ/RJ/Poeltl. He would be our best on-ball defender (something we severely lack), and would be one of the few guys on our team who can shoot the 3 and also defend at an above average level. FAR from redundant, and actually fits our lineup quite well.

Future cap flex? Man, that is gone as soon as IQ and Barnes sign extensions anyways. Getting Wiggins maybe prevents us from some MLE signings in 2025 and 2026, but the vast majority of those end up as bums anyways.

Again - getting Wiggins now does not mean you sit back and make no other moves.

As stated above, Wiggins is a temporary gap filler, until the Raps can either draft, develop or trade for that future 3&D option.

His presence means the heat does not get turned up on Gradey & OA, and those two are allowed to actually develop slowly out of the spotlight of a starting lineup role.

This board seems to struggle with understanding how fast rosters turn around in the NBA. Getting Wiggins in 2024 does not lock him into being here in 2030.

Yes, who knew that when GSW signed Wiggins to that extension on Oct. 15th, 2022, that they would be trading him less than 2 years later. Things change quickly in the NBA.

The hope would be for the Raps that in a situation where he is getting consistent minutes and shots, he could return to the 17-18pts per game average he has had for his career, and shoot hopefully near 40% for 3, as he has done in GSW, along with the on the ball defense he can provide.

If they could get that player without giving up anything, then that is a good deal for the Raps. But the only reason that deal is possible is because of the contract, since GSW is looking to get below the tax, and need to pay Kuminga and Moody in a year.

[Thaddy]

Why would we give an asset with value for a bad contract with no value and no picks attached? Wtf?

[dkb964]

This topic is a joke right? Why would GS do this? Wiggins has sucked recentaly for whatever reasons but Kelly has always sucked. If the money both ends at the end of next season then hell yeah take a flyer on Wiggins.

[Mak]

This topic is a joke right? Why would GS do this? Wiggins has sucked recentaly for whatever reasons but Kelly has always sucked. If the money both ends at the end of next season then hell yeah take a flyer on Wiggins.

It is a joke, but not in a way you think.

[johanliebert]

The Golden State Warriors are expected to be active during the offseason. Joe Lacob has previously noted how he wants the team to duck under the luxury tax, and the current roster failed to qualify for the postseason. As such, the Warriors front office could explore potential trade opportunities to improve the roster.

According to Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report, one deal that could make sense for the Warriors would be sending Andrew Wiggins to the Toronto Raptors in return for Kelly Olynyk and Jalen McDaniels. Wiggins struggled for consistency last season and may be viewed as a legitimate trade chip.

“The Warriors seem as aware of their spending as ever, as they should be,” Buckley wrote. “They failed to make the playoffs in three of the past five years. That’s a tough fact to marry with their free-wheeling spending style…This deal not only would save them some money—Olynyk and McDaniels will make a combined $17.5 million next season—but it could also widen the rotation with a stretch center (Olynyk) and a three-and-D swingman (McDaniels).”

Olynyk would give the Warriors legitimate size, defense and floor spacing. His skillset would fit well with Steve Kerr’s offensive and defensive system. He could become a legitimate part of the rotation, either in the starting lineup or off the bench. McDaniels defense would also come in handy as the Warriors look to find more balance on both sides of the court.

If Golden State is looking to shed some salary and add depth at multiple positions, a deal like the one Buckley proposes could be a solid option for the front office to explore.

https://us.yahoo.com/sports/proposed-trade-sees-warriors-land-210040016.html

What do you guys think? Can Wiggins revive his career after coming back home?

You aren't receiving one of the premier wing defenders in the NBA who doesn't shot hunt for your trash. I dunno whats worse the poll result or the trade scenario.

[Snappycoocoo]

I would do unspeakable things to get rid of McDaniels.

McDaniels is easy to get rid of. His contract is small. Just waive him and say goodbye

[Snappycoocoo]

This topic is a joke right? Why would GS do this? Wiggins has sucked recentaly for whatever reasons but Kelly has always sucked. If the money both ends at the end of next season then hell yeah take a flyer on Wiggins.

It is a joke, but not in a way you think.

The would do it it dump Wiggins awful salary

[OakleyDokely]

sure, if GS gives up a 1st or prospect.

There's very little incentive for a rebuilding team to trade for an expensive vet with a long term deal without getting back some kind of young asset.

[GP2]

I would do unspeakable things to get rid of McDaniels.

McDaniels is easy to get rid of. His contract is small. Just waive him and say goodbye

Yep. I'm definitely exaggerating, but I feel like he owes us money with the way he played.