2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[OAKLEY_2]

Kinda sold on Ware and Holmes.

Undecided on Edey

Not shabby. We worked out Ware. Holmes? It will be something like Edey or Ware at 19 and a minor surprise like KJ Simpson at 31 to be projected back up point guard. Starting to believe Edey will not be there at 19 which is fine cause Ware will be there. Mr. Bub is awesome would not dislike him at 19.

[DreamTeam09]

Please take Tristan De Silva at 19

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Edey has a lot more going for him than JV if he gets his physical dominance to translate to the NBA.

In the year where JV had his highest OBPM and TS% he also had his highest ORB%. Edey might come into the league and rather quickly establish himself as one of the best offensive rebounders. As someone said recently, he might be one of the best offensive rebounders on the planet right now.

Then you have the FTr which is likely to be higher than JV's career .329. Then you have the fact Edey might actually be further along with his 3 pointer than JV was at the same age and will at least begin to develop it much younger.

There are a lot of other areas with potential for better production than JV. Then consider Edey started playing basketball in grade 10 which would be what like Sophomore year of HS for american kids?

[deeps6x]

Updated mock draft after the withdrawal deadline from Wasserman
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10122747-2024-nba-mock-draft-bronny-james-makes-the-cut-in-our-full-2-round-predictions&ved=2ahUKEwjqkqb4p7WGAxXwMDQIHSHoBuYQxfQBKAB6BAgJEAI&usg=AOvVaw0D08PZ2EyAhrEfz4KiqybC

Has the Raptors taking Edey and Klintman with 19 and 31 respectively.

Edey at #19? I'd love that.

However, if it plays out like this mock, then I'd switch #31 to Pacome Dadiet. And also be swearing at the Celtics for taking DaRon Holmes ahead of us.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

This past year where Clingan was a starter playing more minutes his ORB% was 13.8, Edey's DIPPED to 18.1 and during his So. and Jr. years it was at 21.3 and 21.6 which is nuts.

People don't understand just how dominant Edey is. Query players with >20 ORB% in a college season and you only get 8 results with Zach Edey being 2 of them. The only other notable players to do it are DeJuan Blair and Kenneth Faried. Faried did it at Morehead State playing crap competition, DeJuan Blair was a 6'7 undersized C/PF who never had legit positional size or the type of skill necessary to make it in the NBA.

Edey could legit be up there with Clint Capela and Mitchell Robinson when it comes to offensive rebounding.

[Rapsfan07]

Kinda sold on Ware and Holmes.

Undecided on Edey

Not shabby. We worked out Ware. Holmes? It will be something like Edey or Ware at 19 and a minor surprise like KJ Simpson at 31 to be projected back up point guard. Starting to believe Edey will not be there at 19 which is fine cause Ware will be there. Mr. Bub is awesome would not dislike him at 19.

Well for me we need a PG - point blank period. My main guys at 19 are still Ware or Holmes and as much as I'm not 100% sold on Carrington, I would consider him there only if I believe I could get Holmes or Ware at #31 but that's extremely unlikely.

[Raptorfan2012]

Kinda sold on Ware and Holmes.

Undecided on Edey

Ware has the talent to be a top 10 pick IMO. I don't know much about his 'motor' issues and whether it is a real concern though.

I like Holmes as well. I have seen him mocked between the 20s-30s; I don't think we take him at 19 but we definitely should consider him if he is still around at 31.

[Dalek]

Psubs convinced me. Targeting a big is a crapshoot in this draft and especially at 19.

Zach Edey plays both ways three feet from the rim. Not sure how that works with the team as constructed unless you want Scottie out on the perimeter full time.
Kel'el Ware is a bit of a headcase, too skinny, and he has poor bball IQ/defensive awareness. Prefer to catch him on his second contract.
Oso Ighodaro can pass and defend, but he can't shoot and rebound and is too small to be a C.
DaRon Holmes is on the small side to really be a rim protector or C full time.
Ulrich Chomche is too raw and unpredictable if he even becomes a NBA player. Prefer to catch him on his second contract.
Tyler Smith looks like the most talented but he looks like a scoring PF and a bit like Holmes but more raw.
Josh Oduro is the best bet and we can catch him on a two-way deal when he goes undrafted.

If either Jared McCain or Ja'Kobe Walter or Devin Carter don't drop to us at 19, I am onboard with a good bet solid bench SF like Tristan DaSilva or Bobi Klintman or Jaylon Tyson in that order because we could use shooting. For 31, AJ Mitchell or a flyer on AJ Johnson or Nikola Djurisic seem like good options.

[ItsDanger]

A 2 post offense can work with players that have high gravity. Having a lot of floor space to pass out and chuck 3s doesn't work as good when it's not utilized properly.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Edey's problem with Scottie is that Scottie needs to run because he can't create well for himself in the half court, and Edey needs the ball walked up the court so that he can get there. It's not an ideal fit. The reason to take Edey is he might translate and be good enough to build a team around, with the second reason he is the BPA at 19 in a draft where there's probably only 10 guys worth remember in 10 years.

I still think Edey will go between 8-15.

[Psubs]

Please take Tristan De Silva at 19

Portland should take him at #14 or Philadelphia at #16.

He will be solid like a Detlef Schremp maybe. I'd rather have Carrington.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

So if the Raps target a wing, I'd be leaning towards going International, Djurisic, Dadiet, unless you are a believer in Dunn and/or Dillon Jones, Baylor Scheierman at 31. Furphy put up similar numbers to Gradey Richard, so he could be in play at 19.

Cam Spencer of UCONN, didn't realize how efficient he was, he put up pretty good advanced metrics, could be a good role playing guard.

[Psubs]

Psubs convinced me. Targeting a big is a crapshoot in this draft and especially at 19.

Zach Edey plays both ways three feet from the rim. Not sure how that works with the team as constructed unless you want Scottie out on the perimeter full time.
Kel'el Ware is a bit of a headcase, too skinny, and he has poor bball IQ/defensive awareness. Prefer to catch him on his second contract.
Oso Ighodaro can pass and defend, but he can't shoot and rebound and is too small to be a C.
DaRon Holmes is on the small side to really be a rim protector or C full time.
Ulrich Chomche is too raw and unpredictable if he even becomes a NBA player. Prefer to catch him on his second contract.
Tyler Smith looks like the most talented but he looks like a scoring PF and a bit like Holmes but more raw.
Josh Oduro is the best bet and we can catch him on a two-way deal when he goes undrafted.

If either Jared McCain or Ja'Kobe Walter or Devin Carter don't drop to us at 19, I am onboard with a good bet solid bench SF like Tristan DaSilva or Bobi Klintman or Jaylon Tyson in that order because we could use shooting. For 31, AJ Mitchell or a flyer on AJ Johnson or Nikola Djurisic seem like good options.

Right!

Outside of Sarr going #1 or #2 that shot well at the combine, Clingan, Edey, Missi, Ware, Filipowski is a crap shoot.

If Atanta drafts Sarr #1 to pair with Okongwu, then Capela could be salary dumped. Can easily just trade Boucher and McDaniels (waive) for Capela.

Why waste a pick on a player that may only be as good as JV that you can sign in the summer for the MLE. The others could be Claxton, Mark Williams, Capela, etc Just spend money. Using the #31 on a big, sure okay take Chomche who the Raptors checked out. He's raw but could have a higher ceiling than all the bigs outside of Sarr (who could be Tyson Chandler that can shoot 3's).

[pharring]

Edey's problem with Scottie is that Scottie needs to run because he can't create well for himself in the half court, and Edey needs the ball walked up the court so that he can get there. It's not an ideal fit. The reason to take Edey is he might translate and be good enough to build a team around, with the second reason he is the BPA at 19 in a draft where there's probably only 10 guys worth remember in 10 years.

I still think Edey will go between 8-15.

I think the major draw of Edey for me is the feeling of inevitability Edey provides if he secures the ball in the paint. That was the feeling watching Purdue all season. Don't let Edey catch it (entry pass or rebound) because if he has two feet in the paint and the ball in both hands, it is either a bucket or a foul. At 7'4 he has very few physical equals (even in the NBA) that do not have to significantly plant/gather/jump to contest with him.

On defence... yeah, he's not going to be much help on five-outs. But he will change paths/angles/shots on drives. Not to Wemby's degree, but the NBA is such high-level competition that any alteration you can cause in your opponent is what you are looking for. That's what I have been able to glean from the Minding the Game Podcast.

Edey will be an identifiable asset and in a draft with some serious question marks about asset values, I think that is good enough for the 19th frickin' pick at least. If he goes earlier, good for him.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Edey's problem with Scottie is that Scottie needs to run because he can't create well for himself in the half court, and Edey needs the ball walked up the court so that he can get there. It's not an ideal fit. The reason to take Edey is he might translate and be good enough to build a team around, with the second reason he is the BPA at 19 in a draft where there's probably only 10 guys worth remember in 10 years.

I still think Edey will go between 8-15.

I think the major draw of Edey for me is the feeling of inevitability Edey provides if he secures the ball in the paint. That was the feeling watching Purdue all season. Don't let Edey catch it (entry pass or rebound) because if he has two feet in the paint and the ball in both hands, it is either a bucket or a foul. At 7'4 he has very few physical equals (even in the NBA) that do not have to significantly plant/gather/jump to contest with him.

On defence... yeah, he's not going to be much help on five-outs. But he will change paths/angles/shots on drives. Not to Wemby's degree, but the NBA is such high-level competition that any alteration you can cause in your opponent is what you are looking for. That's what I have been able to glean from the Minding the Game Podcast.

Edey will be an identifiable asset and in a draft with some serious question marks about asset values, I think that is good enough for the 19th frickin' pick at least. If he goes earlier, good for him.

Even if you wanted to compare him (unfavourably) to Valanciunas. JV was still a top 10 player in his draft. This is the time of year where what a draft actually provides is lost on almost everyone.

[ArthurVandelay]

Edey's problem with Scottie is that Scottie needs to run because he can't create well for himself in the half court, and Edey needs the ball walked up the court so that he can get there. It's not an ideal fit. The reason to take Edey is he might translate and be good enough to build a team around, with the second reason he is the BPA at 19 in a draft where there's probably only 10 guys worth remember in 10 years.

I still think Edey will go between 8-15.

I think the major draw of Edey for me is the feeling of inevitability Edey provides if he secures the ball in the paint. That was the feeling watching Purdue all season. Don't let Edey catch it (entry pass or rebound) because if he has two feet in the paint and the ball in both hands, it is either a bucket or a foul. At 7'4 he has very few physical equals (even in the NBA) that do not have to significantly plant/gather/jump to contest with him.

On defence... yeah, he's not going to be much help on five-outs. But he will change paths/angles/shots on drives. Not to Wemby's degree, but the NBA is such high-level competition that any alteration you can cause in your opponent is what you are looking for. That's what I have been able to glean from the Minding the Game Podcast.

Edey will be an identifiable asset and in a draft with some serious question marks about asset values, I think that is good enough for the 19th frickin' pick at least. If he goes earlier, good for him.

Even if you wanted to compare him (unfavourably) to Valanciunas. JV was still a top 10 player in his draft. This is the time of year where what a draft actually provides is lost on almost everyone.

A scroll through some of the Hoopshype redrafts 10 years later highlights your point perfectly.

[grant101]

Jeez! Another of my faves returning. Jaylen Wells and Jalen Bridges moving up my board for wings at 31

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[WuTang_CMB]

This past year where Clingan was a starter playing more minutes his ORB% was 13.8, Edey's DIPPED to 18.1 and during his So. and Jr. years it was at 21.3 and 21.6 which is nuts.

People don't understand just how dominant Edey is. Query players with >20 ORB% in a college season and you only get 8 results with Zach Edey being 2 of them. The only other notable players to do it are DeJuan Blair and Kenneth Faried. Faried did it at Morehead State playing crap competition, DeJuan Blair was a 6'7 undersized C/PF who never had legit positional size or the type of skill necessary to make it in the NBA.

Edey could legit be up there with Clint Capela and Mitchell Robinson when it comes to offensive rebounding.

He's a force and has gotten better every single year. If he can provide 12/10 and just under 2 blks, at the NBA level, with solid FT%, I'd be happy.

[ArthurVandelay]

https://www.si.com/college/oregon/news/oregon-ducks-basketball-nfaly-dante-receives-ncaa-decision-eligibility-request-appeal-nba-draft-big-ten-dana-altman

Appeal coming

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Jeez! Another of my faves returning. Jaylen Wells and Jalen Bridges moving up my board for wings at 31

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Will be interesting to see how he does this year. I want to see him play with more confidence and assertiveness, if it's the same shtick as this year it's a hard pass. He needs to turn a corner mentally.