Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[twix2500]

Funny how posters give Heat front office a bad name when the opposing front office for Jimmy is suppose to be the alternative greener pastures

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Funny how posters give Heat front office a bad name when the opposing front office for Jimmy is suppose to be the alternative greener pastures

Miami has one of the better FO in the NBA no doubt but it doesn't mean it doesn't have it's negatives.

From what I understand about the Harden/Morey situation is probably the same deal with Butler/Thibodeau situation, no matter what those FO people wanted, like handing out a max, the owner had to ok it. I think both FO wanted to max their guys, thought they could sway the owners to do it but in the end couldn't. This is where Miami's organization of one voice for the FO really gives them a leg up on other organizations. As much as people may not like Mickey, he's given the FO a few rules and basically let them do what they wanted.

[contract]

Saw 2 articles today about the 76ers wanting to pull out all the stops to make a Jimmy Butler trade happen

If we have no interest in giving him his extension then it makes zero sense taking him into the year forcing him to play under his current deal when someone is out there that's willing to give him one. We owe him atleast that bit of gratitude on what could potentially be a win win situation that gives the 76ers one last gasp at a chip and puts us in a position to rebuild for the future under Bam and the young kids. Unless the miracle of Mitchell happens then this is truly the way too go.

We need to treat this situation like the Celtics treated an aging KG and Pierce… If there is a team willing to back up the Brinks truck, take them for what they are worth! KG/Pierce netted 3 FRPs and a swap….

This! Screw the gratitude stuff. We've given Jimmy ~ $186 million worth of gratitude. He wants the biggest bag. We should take the biggest haul.

[lastb1ckman]

You know......when has it EVER ended positively with aging players on the Heat? Lowry checked out, Dragic was devastated when he got traded and kinda just faded out, Whiteside fell out of favor with Spo, Beasley basically flunked out 3 times, Bosh fought with the Heat to play even with his blood clots and was bitter af when they didn't, Mike Miller got amnestyed and that stirred up a big funk, Lebron leaving made him and the cavs mortal enemies with the Heat org for a good while, Ray Allen didn't speak to the coaching staff the last year of his career and kinda just sat around for a few years instead of officially retiring. I'm too young to really remember the how Hardaway ended or when Alonzo was traded away, but I heard it wasn't pretty.

[lastb1ckman]

Everyone remembers how Wade first left the Heat, but atleast he was able to come back and salvage it all.

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[twix2500]

You know......when has it EVER ended positively with aging players on the Heat? Lowry checked out, Dragic was devastated when he got traded and kinda just faded out, Whiteside fell out of favor with Spo, Beasley basically flunked out 3 times, Bosh fought with the Heat to play even with his blood clots and was bitter af when they didn't, Mike Miller got amnestyed and that stirred up a big funk, Lebron leaving made him and the cavs mortal enemies with the Heat org for a good while, Ray Allen didn't speak to the coaching staff the last year of his career and kinda just sat around for a few years instead of officially retiring. I'm too young to really remember the how Hardaway ended or when Alonzo was traded away, but I heard it wasn't pretty.

Hardaway was traded to Dallas and Zo wanted more money and to contend so he left to New Jersey.

[wade44]

Heat’s no retirement home. The only one we should have made an exception for was Wade but that ship has sailed and went.

[Flash4thewin]

Saw 2 articles today about the 76ers wanting to pull out all the stops to make a Jimmy Butler trade happen

If we have no interest in giving him his extension then it makes zero sense taking him into the year forcing him to play under his current deal when someone is out there that's willing to give him one. We owe him atleast that bit of gratitude on what could potentially be a win win situation that gives the 76ers one last gasp at a chip and puts us in a position to rebuild for the future under Bam and the young kids. Unless the miracle of Mitchell happens then this is truly the way too go.

We need to treat this situation like the Celtics treated an aging KG and Pierce… If there is a team willing to back up the Brinks truck, take them for what they are worth! KG/Pierce netted 3 FRPs and a swap….

This is going to turn out more like the Dame situation unfortunately. The only difference here that Butler dont give no Fs. Butler can easily become a cancer in the locker room and force his way out destroying what little trade value he has. Remember he has a players option which he will select making this even more painful for us than it should be, no way he opts out. This is nothing like the aging Celtics unfortunately. We know who Jimmy is and what he is perfectly capable of doing. He won't stand down like Dame did. At the end of the day you have feel bad for Bam in all of this mess because he is an innocent bystander.

[twix2500]

Regardless of this contract negotiations/conversation. Jimmy Butler doesnt want to leave the Heat and the Heat do not want Jimmy to leave. Until they truly sit down and talk no one knows whats gonna happen. Miami and Jimmy will make a decision before free agency starts and I really doubt bad blood will be the result of it.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we have no interest in giving him his extension then it makes zero sense taking him into the year forcing him to play under his current deal when someone is out there that's willing to give him one. We owe him atleast that bit of gratitude on what could potentially be a win win situation that gives the 76ers one last gasp at a chip and puts us in a position to rebuild for the future under Bam and the young kids. Unless the miracle of Mitchell happens then this is truly the way too go.

We need to treat this situation like the Celtics treated an aging KG and Pierce… If there is a team willing to back up the Brinks truck, take them for what they are worth! KG/Pierce netted 3 FRPs and a swap….

This! Screw the gratitude stuff. We've given Jimmy ~ $186 million worth of gratitude. He wants the biggest bag. We should take the biggest haul.

The gratitude is trading him to the best possible spot willing to give him an extension that gives us the most assets. I don't think we are just going to be able to trade him to any team we want in the NBA without that team clearly stating they are going to extend him or else they are in the same spot as the Heat once the deal is complete. The tricky situation is Butler has to wait 6 months once he's dealt. If Butler wants his bag then he goes to the team willing to give us the most assets for the honor of giving it to him. Right now that looks to be the 76ers and two other teams we don't know of.

[Kobewade11]

You know......when has it EVER ended positively with aging players on the Heat? Lowry checked out, Dragic was devastated when he got traded and kinda just faded out, Whiteside fell out of favor with Spo, Beasley basically flunked out 3 times, Bosh fought with the Heat to play even with his blood clots and was bitter af when they didn't, Mike Miller got amnestyed and that stirred up a big funk, Lebron leaving made him and the cavs mortal enemies with the Heat org for a good while, Ray Allen didn't speak to the coaching staff the last year of his career and kinda just sat around for a few years instead of officially retiring. I'm too young to really remember the how Hardaway ended or when Alonzo was traded away, but I heard it wasn't pretty.

That Udonis fella had a positive ending. Maybe not the household name you were looking for, just answering the question.

[HeatFan_NC]

Saw 2 articles today about the 76ers wanting to pull out all the stops to make a Jimmy Butler trade happen

If we have no interest in giving him his extension then it makes zero sense taking him into the year forcing him to play under his current deal when someone is out there that's willing to give him one. We owe him atleast that bit of gratitude on what could potentially be a win win situation that gives the 76ers one last gasp at a chip and puts us in a position to rebuild for the future under Bam and the young kids. Unless the miracle of Mitchell happens then this is truly the way too go.

Assuming Mitchell stays with CLE, would a multi-team trade like this work?

PHI: receives Jimmy
MIA: receives Brandon Ingram and Lauri M.
NO: receives Clarkson and 1 FRP
Utah: receives 3 FRPs, Tobias Harris

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[Heat3]

You know......when has it EVER ended positively with aging players on the Heat? Lowry checked out, Dragic was devastated when he got traded and kinda just faded out, Whiteside fell out of favor with Spo, Beasley basically flunked out 3 times, Bosh fought with the Heat to play even with his blood clots and was bitter af when they didn't, Mike Miller got amnestyed and that stirred up a big funk, Lebron leaving made him and the cavs mortal enemies with the Heat org for a good while, Ray Allen didn't speak to the coaching staff the last year of his career and kinda just sat around for a few years instead of officially retiring. I'm too young to really remember the how Hardaway ended or when Alonzo was traded away, but I heard it wasn't pretty.

Mourning just left as a free agent. Honestly I don’t think it was a bad break up and I was happy he left. The Heat needed to rebuild and he still wanted to compete and get paid in his final years. There was no reason to stay on a rebuilding team for him. It was just two parties in different places.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I knew the warriors would want in

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Reclamation project Andrew Wiggins with 3 first and Paul's expiring. I'm down. We can use Paul's 30 million contract with those picks as contract matching trade bait.

[lastb1ckman]

You know......when has it EVER ended positively with aging players on the Heat? Lowry checked out, Dragic was devastated when he got traded and kinda just faded out, Whiteside fell out of favor with Spo, Beasley basically flunked out 3 times, Bosh fought with the Heat to play even with his blood clots and was bitter af when they didn't, Mike Miller got amnestyed and that stirred up a big funk, Lebron leaving made him and the cavs mortal enemies with the Heat org for a good while, Ray Allen didn't speak to the coaching staff the last year of his career and kinda just sat around for a few years instead of officially retiring. I'm too young to really remember the how Hardaway ended or when Alonzo was traded away, but I heard it wasn't pretty.

Mourning just left as a free agent. Honestly I don’t think it was a bad break up and I was happy he left. The Heat needed to rebuild and he still wanted to compete and get paid in his final years. There was no reason to stay on a rebuilding team for him. It was just two parties in different places.

Oh ok, thats good I guess. It just seems like its so hard for the Heat whenever good players get old. Heat culture values players that put in the work and grind to get good, but what do you do when they probably aren't that guy anymore?

[twix2500]

You know......when has it EVER ended positively with aging players on the Heat? Lowry checked out, Dragic was devastated when he got traded and kinda just faded out, Whiteside fell out of favor with Spo, Beasley basically flunked out 3 times, Bosh fought with the Heat to play even with his blood clots and was bitter af when they didn't, Mike Miller got amnestyed and that stirred up a big funk, Lebron leaving made him and the cavs mortal enemies with the Heat org for a good while, Ray Allen didn't speak to the coaching staff the last year of his career and kinda just sat around for a few years instead of officially retiring. I'm too young to really remember the how Hardaway ended or when Alonzo was traded away, but I heard it wasn't pretty.

Mourning just left as a free agent. Honestly I don’t think it was a bad break up and I was happy he left. The Heat needed to rebuild and he still wanted to compete and get paid in his final years. There was no reason to stay on a rebuilding team for him. It was just two parties in different places.

Oh ok, thats good I guess. It just seems like its so hard for the Heat whenever good players get old. Heat culture values players that put in the work and grind to get good, but what do you do when they probably aren't that guy anymore?

Heat will keep the player, but they not gonna give them big contracts to faze out. The way the Heat approaches it, they will keep you on the roster for as long as you want way beyond your years like they did Haslem. Pay you back with longevity and then put you into the organization after the career is over. But they dont want you holding the team hostage in your late year waitin for you to decide to retire.

People have to keep in mind the Heat were burned by Lebron and Bosh opting out of their contract their last year after they traded draft picks so Lebron and Bosh could have that extra last year.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Shipping Jimmy as far west as possible is probably the exact thing we should be entertaining. I honestly really don't want to see him on Philly. Send him to Houston or Golden State.