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Post#341 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue May 28, 2024 3:17 am

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Yves is only 15lbs heavier than Dunn! He’s going to get destroyed by most centers.


I get that he's lanky and with a thin frame, But it's important to consider a couple of things here man:

1- Missi at 235 lbs is the same weight as similar successful NBA defensive centers such as Daniel Gafford, Derek Lively, Jarrett Allen, Nik Claxton, and Richuan Holmes. All of those centers have been successful in their NBA roles. Players like Gafford and Lively have shown also that being at that weight range doesn't necessarily mean you'll get destroyed by bigger centers as obviously, they're having quite a bit of success against larger centers like Gobert, and KAT both bigger and heavier 7' footers.

2- Missis' role wouldn't be as a banger against bigger, girthier centers. But his ultimate value to us will be in what we lack currently with Nurkic as with Missi, you have a much quicker, more athletic very switchable option with much better defensive recovery ability and weakside rim protection than what Nurkic could provide against quicker and more athletic centers.

3- He's young, but can obviously still bulk up a bit as well as get stronger in a professional NBA training program. He has the tools, length, quick twitch athleticism, and relentless motor to be an elite switchable defensive 5 option.

*** I do love Dunn though as he's an absolute game-changer defensively with 1st team all defensive ability/potential and a generational defender ceiling outcome! I'd be super happy IF our front office was smart enough to take him at 22. Rally, I'd be cool with either Missi or Dunn at 22, But if I had to choose between the two somehow, I'd probably choose Dunn!!! :nod:


From what I have read the interesting part of yves is the athleticism and switchability.. nothing else seems special (passing, shooting, defensive instincts).. makes me worry that once he adds weight for nba body we are basically looking at another Eubanks.

On bronny front…. We should definitely be sending all the smoke signals that we taking him at 22…. Try and push lakers to draft him at 17 to increase odds someone falls to us.


That's fair about Missi, he's still young and fairly raw. But in our situation we don't really need as much of a dynamic high end two way player for his specific role. Missi because of his length, athleticism, quickness and vertical burst will be a high end potentially elite defensive rim protector. And that's also what we need around the rim as well as what Dunn brings all over the court.

And as for bronny, I completely agree! :D
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#342 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue May 28, 2024 4:03 am

Crives wrote:Ghost what do you think of Hunter Sallis? Looks like elite shooting + elite athleticism with a handle. Feels like a JJ guy. Wonder why he isn’t mocked higher


I like him alot and think he's pretty solid. I consider him kind of a budget mix of Derrick Rose/ Stephon Marbury. He currently isn't ranked higher because of his time at Gonzaga he didn't get much playing time. Something like around 13-14 minutes a game, and wasn't playing very well ( only shooting around 26% from three and was somewhat passive in his role too. I think he only put up like 19 threes in 31 games or something. And he didn't really stand out in any one area there. He had more turnovers than assists too.

But the reason he's still not ranked as highly is skepticism that his wake forest developments might be anomalous and not sustainable. They just wanted to really see a larger sample to determine whether or not his much better showing is legit. :D
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#343 » by Stix » Wed May 29, 2024 4:15 pm

What number do you guys think Bronny will wear for Suns? Also what number will LeBron wear :o
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Post#344 » by Fo-Real » Wed May 29, 2024 9:20 pm

5, 6, 9, 13, 24, 31, 32, 33, 34, 42, or 44. The odds of them coming are less than the odds that either can pick from these numbers. So, let's say Bron #5 and Bronny #6...... it'll be cute right!! Or 31 and 32!!! We will nickname them Shawn and Amare!! THIS IS ALL HAPPENING FOR SURE!
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Post#345 » by MrMiyagi » Thu May 30, 2024 4:27 am

Stix wrote:What number do you guys think Bronny will wear for Suns? Also what number will LeBron wear :o

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Post#348 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu May 30, 2024 10:22 pm

YVES MISSI (Baylor)
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Missi is a big, long, lanky explosive hyper mobile defensive center with ELITE rim protection and recovery abilities thanks to his high-end vertical explosiveness and his impressive quickness and defensive anticipation, and recovery. Missi projects as an elite mobile defensive center with great quickness, length, and explosiveness. Overall, despite still being somewhat raw offensively, he's a hybrid mix of Nik Claxton/ Jarrett Allen/ and Clint Capela (relentless motor and physicality). I have him as #1 on our big board with Ryan Dunn at a strong #2. But really, either could be interchangeable at the top spot on our big board because both offer absolutely elite lockdown defensive ability, size, athleticism, and explosiveness.

To pass on either for some low-end mediocre option that couldn't really contribute from the jump like these two can would be incredibly idiotic!!! And yet another indictment of a repeatedly inept office not able to properly and responsibly identify elite outlier talent that have ideal skillsets to strengthen our most critical weaknesses. Hopefully, they've become aware of this and will not continue making the same sad mistakes that cripple and undermine our competitive trajectory. :pray:
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#349 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 30, 2024 11:15 pm

Ghost, would you rather us take the BPA at 22 or trade 22 for two seconds this year and take two guys? Lets say something like 35 and 45 or something? Though we will probably trade it for a couple seconds a few years from now to plan on using in trades.
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Post#350 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri May 31, 2024 2:16 am

bwgood77 wrote:Ghost, would you rather us take the BPA at 22 or trade 22 for two seconds this year and take two guys? Lets say something like 35 and 45 or something? Though we will probably trade it for a couple seconds a few years from now to plan on using in trades.


BPA at 22 would be fine with me honestly man as I know that there are also quality young depth options even outside of the 2nd round that could additionally supplement our core too. Depending upon who is still available at 22 though, I'd look to take the BPA at 22, and then fill out our depth/ developmental talent swings from the undrafted pool that can be developed further in our G league affiliate.

Or keep our pick to use on BPA and then pursue a minor trade for 2nds outside of using our 22nd pick. I'm still a firm believer that we could flip Nurkic/ 2031 1st for Robinson/ McBride or maybe Robinson/ 25th pick/ 38th pick!

Or one of the Little trades if we trade back instead. My top 5 board still currently being:
1- Yves Missi.
2- Ryan Dunn.
3- Tyler Kolek.
4- Da'Ron Holmes.
5- Jaylon Tyson.

And really, with any of these players, you can still keep Nurkic as a productive regular season player that can bang against bigger centers.

Ideally though, if we couldn't do the New York trade with Nurkic, I'd just keep our 22nd pick to use on BPA, and then look to attach the 2031 1st to little in a trade to Charlotte to get back Richards/ Bailey/ 42nd pick/ PHI 25' 2nd.

That'd be a very solid return all things considered.
22- Ryan Dunn.
42- Ajay Mitchell.

undrafted range
( 3 two ways)
1- Quinton Post.
2- Nae'qwan Tomlin.
3- Blake Hinson.

Nik Richards backs up Nurkic. Amari Bailey becomes our 3rd string guard. Then we fill out our roster with vet mins in free agency?

Beal/ Booker/ Batum/ KD / Nurkic.
Lowry/ Allen/ O'neale/ Muscala/ Richards.
Bailey/ D Lee/ Dunn/ Bol / Bidatze.
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Post#351 » by Stix » Fri May 31, 2024 2:18 am

Why can't we just be a normal team and draft BPA at the positon we need? aka Tyler Kolek.
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Post#352 » by sunsbg » Fri May 31, 2024 9:04 am

Stix wrote:Why can't we just be a normal team and draft BPA at the positon we need? aka Tyler Kolek.


No, we clearly need Bronny and all the media attention that will come with it. Then in NBA 2K you can adjust his skills(have not played last 20 years so could be wrong).
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Post#353 » by Saberestar » Fri May 31, 2024 3:25 pm

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22. Phoenix Suns
Kyle Filipowski, PF/C, Duke | Age: 20.5

The Suns are in a precarious position as they attempt to construct a contender around their trio of highly paid stars. Phoenix is spending more aggressively than any team in the league and has also traded away control of its future drafts with picks and swap rights outgoing through 2030.

Expect the Suns to look for a ready-made contributor at the No. 22 pick, with Filipowski's size (7-0 and 230 pounds) and skill level adding a potentially useful dimension to their frontcourt.

Filipowski's range is also somewhat wide at this point, running toward the end of the first round. Phoenix also has a glaring need for a true point guard, which is something it will likely consider here as well.
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Post#355 » by Fo-Real » Fri May 31, 2024 8:15 pm

Ok, so we may be the actual Bronney trolls?!?! The Lakers may not have the 17th pick because the Pels have the choice to take it this year or next. If they keep it, the Lakers wont have a chance to pick THE PRODIGAL SON until pick 55!! So we act like we really want him, actually take him at 22 and WE HOLD HIM HOSTAGE!!! You want the GOLDEN CHILD well, we have salary to dump buddy........ Yall need Beal for D Russell + Vandy + Who??? Then we can trade you the KID for an opted in Jaxson Hayes and a future pick!! CHESS NOT CHECKERS!!!! Or we are just crazy and ****!! :censored:
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Post#356 » by Stix » Fri May 31, 2024 9:36 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Ok, so we may be the actual Bronney trolls?!?! The Lakers may not have the 17th pick because the Pels have the choice to take it this year or next. If they keep it, the Lakers wont have a chance to pick THE PRODIGAL SON until pick 55!! So we act like we really want him, actually take him at 22 and WE HOLD HIM HOSTAGE!!! You want the GOLDEN CHILD well, we have salary to dump buddy........ Yall need Beal for D Russell + Vandy + Who??? Then we can trade you the KID for an opted in Jaxson Hayes and a future pick!! CHESS NOT CHECKERS!!!! Or we are just crazy and ****!! :censored:


Or... we get stuck giving guaranteed money to a kid who wouldn't even make my LA Fitness league.
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Post#357 » by Fo-Real » Fri May 31, 2024 9:44 pm

Stix wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Ok, so we may be the actual Bronney trolls?!?! The Lakers may not have the 17th pick because the Pels have the choice to take it this year or next. If they keep it, the Lakers wont have a chance to pick THE PRODIGAL SON until pick 55!! So we act like we really want him, actually take him at 22 and WE HOLD HIM HOSTAGE!!! You want the GOLDEN CHILD well, we have salary to dump buddy........ Yall need Beal for D Russell + Vandy + Who??? Then we can trade you the KID for an opted in Jaxson Hayes and a future pick!! CHESS NOT CHECKERS!!!! Or we are just crazy and ****!! :censored:


Or... we get stuck giving guaranteed money to a kid who wouldn't even make my LA Fitness league.


WELL..... THERES THAT!!!
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Post#358 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri May 31, 2024 11:28 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Ok, so we may be the actual Bronney trolls?!?! The Lakers may not have the 17th pick because the Pels have the choice to take it this year or next. If they keep it, the Lakers wont have a chance to pick THE PRODIGAL SON until pick 55!! So we act like we really want him, actually take him at 22 and WE HOLD HIM HOSTAGE!!! You want the GOLDEN CHILD well, we have salary to dump buddy........ Yall need Beal for D Russell + Vandy + Who??? Then we can trade you the KID for an opted in Jaxson Hayes and a future pick!! CHESS NOT CHECKERS!!!! Or we are just crazy and ****!! :censored:


I love this! I really hope that the Pels decide to take the 55th pick from the Flakers now while allowing them to keep the 17 to force them to draft bronny way to early under the pressure from James! This way they blow a good pick on a fringe 2nd round G league talent. And it also helps us too by taking another pick ( Pels) off the board that would've likely been used on a center option to replace Valuncias. :lol:
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Post#359 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 1, 2024 5:50 am

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To be very clear, The single most important attributes that we need to balance out our roster and take the next step as a contender are:
1- Lockdown defensive players because we really have no quality defenders aside from maybe KD who is going to be 36, and shouldn't be burdened with being a defensive anchor for us. In this draft, there are two ELITE defensive options that would both drastically improve our overall roster in multiple categories. One offers elite rim protection which we need- Yves Missi.

And the other offers game changing elite lockdown defensive ability all over the court. This would be a game changer for us to shut down opposing elite players like ANT, Harden, George, Morant, Murray, etc ! That player is Ryan Dunn!

But if we're going with the BPA two way prospect with star potential ( even at 22) that player is easily Tyler Smith Jr, who at 6'11 has a smooth shooting game and great length and mobility too. Smith Jr is a unicorn hybrid mix of Michael Porter Jr ( offensive shooting) and taller, more lanky Paul George (defensively).

Currently he's still a bit raw, but his ceiling outcome if properly developed is a 2nd-3rd option cornerstone piece!
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Post#360 » by garrick » Sat Jun 1, 2024 10:37 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:YVES MISSI (Baylor)
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/5061589/yves-missi
7'0 235 lbs with a 7'4 wingspan.
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2024-nba-draft-breaking-down-baylors-yves-missi
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/yves-missi-looks-the-part-the-prospect

Defensive playmaking


Missi D post polish


Missi finishing


Missi OREBs vid


Missi is a big, long, lanky explosive hyper mobile defensive center with ELITE rim protection and recovery abilities thanks to his high-end vertical explosiveness and his impressive quickness and defensive anticipation, and recovery. Missi projects as an elite mobile defensive center with great quickness, length, and explosiveness. Overall, despite still being somewhat raw offensively, he's a hybrid mix of Nik Claxton/ Jarrett Allen/ and Clint Capela (relentless motor and physicality). I have him as #1 on our big board with Ryan Dunn at a strong #2. But really, either could be interchangeable at the top spot on our big board because both offer absolutely elite lockdown defensive ability, size, athleticism, and explosiveness.

To pass on either for some low-end mediocre option that couldn't really contribute from the jump like these two can would be incredibly idiotic!!! And yet another indictment of a repeatedly inept office not able to properly and responsibly identify elite outlier talent that have ideal skillsets to strengthen our most critical weaknesses. Hopefully, they've become aware of this and will not continue making the same sad mistakes that cripple and undermine our competitive trajectory. :pray:


Looks like a Nic Claxton type of player who is really who we need right now.

Let's hope Ishbia put his money where his mouth is and invested in a proper scouting department because we can't afford to blow this pick.

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