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Post#141 » by Saberestar » Fri May 31, 2024 7:38 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:What's the most we can offer Bol Bol?

Any chance we keep him?

See if Budenholzer can get some Giannis style into him.

I think that we can offer him a 2-year deal (with a player option on that 2nd year) getting 20% more than a minimum contract.

That's the type of contract that we gave to Damion Lee and Josh Okogie.

It's a solid contract because IF Bol plays great next year he can opt out and we can sign him to a much bigger deal using Early Bird Rights. And IF he doesn't play well or enough minutes he will have yet another year with guaranteed money.
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Post#142 » by Fo-Real » Fri May 31, 2024 2:13 pm

Do we want to is the real question.
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Post#143 » by bwgood77 » Fri May 31, 2024 10:18 pm

I want to. Obviously we can't get him to be a Giannis but I think he could be a poor version of Brook Lopez, who shot 3s and contested more shots than anyone. He was never a great rebounder (which I also could see for Bol) but can see him shooting 3s and contesting. He's got a surprisingly good handle for his height/length too.
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Post#144 » by garrick » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:43 am

I think he's going to be okay as instant offense but unless he develops more awareness as a help defender he just isn't going to get a ton of minutes.

He's often late on rotations or doesn't box out so while he is 7'3 his length often isn't a factor as he is too late to contest jump shots.

Also due to his slim frame he doesn't really help out with our lack of physicality either because he is easily pushed aside by more physical players and he's already 26 so odds are he isn't going to fill out anytime soon if ever.

I would welcome him back on a cheap deal but I don't think we should expect too much out of him besides coming off the bench when we need a little scoring.
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Post#145 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 7:59 am

bwgood77 wrote:I want to. Obviously we can't get him to be a Giannis but I think he could be a poor version of Brook Lopez, who shot 3s and contested more shots than anyone. He was never a great rebounder (which I also could see for Bol) but can see him shooting 3s and contesting. He's got a surprisingly good handle for his height/length too.

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Neither Brook nor Bol are particularly quick laterally but Brook is good because for him it's all about positioning and awareness and with Bud's coaching and development, Bol could be really useful.
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Post#146 » by Saberestar » Sat Jun 1, 2024 9:55 am

bwgood77 wrote:I want to. Obviously we can't get him to be a Giannis but I think he could be a poor version of Brook Lopez, who shot 3s and contested more shots than anyone. He was never a great rebounder (which I also could see for Bol) but can see him shooting 3s and contesting. He's got a surprisingly good handle for his height/length too.

Brook Lopez is like 80 lbs heavier than Bol and he has always had a big man mentality. Bol doesn’t have that mentality, he is an SF in his mind and doesn't box out, he doesn't push bodies or tries to dominate the boards.

That's why I can't imagine Bol as a good option at C.

During his best game of the season as a Sun he couldn't box out Sengun to grab a much needed rebound on a FT miss to close the game. He doesn't have the technique, the mentality and the strength of a C.

Brook Lopez is very good boxing out and he clears space in the paint to facilitate rebounds for his teammates. Marc Gasol used to be like him in that regard.

I want Bol Bol on the team next year but I would prefer to use him as a PF.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#147 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 11:39 am

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bwgood77 wrote:I want to. Obviously we can't get him to be a Giannis but I think he could be a poor version of Brook Lopez, who shot 3s and contested more shots than anyone. He was never a great rebounder (which I also could see for Bol) but can see him shooting 3s and contesting. He's got a surprisingly good handle for his height/length too.

Brook Lopez is like 80 lbs heavier than Bol and he has always had a big man mentality. Bol doesn’t have that mentality, he is an SF in his mind and doesn't box out, he doesn't push bodies or tries to dominate the boards.

That's why I can't imagine Bol as a good option at C.

During his best game of the season as a Sun he couldn't box out Sengun to grab a much needed rebound on a FT miss to close the game. He doesn't have the technique, the mentality and the strength of a C.

Brook Lopez is very good boxing out and he clears space in the paint to facilitate rebounds for his teammates. Marc Gasol used to be like him in that regard.

I want Bol Bol on the team next year but I would prefer to use him as a PF.

He doesn't need to be a C and guarding the biggest dudes. But there's a lot of positional work Brook does that really deter good shots at the rim. Bol will still be a PF but I thought he was starting to get some good reps in making those help side rotations even though. When Brook came into the league, he was seen a poor defender and mostly an offensive post player. It took basically a decade for him to become a defensive focused guy with a 3PT shot.

Not saying Bol is going to be Brook 2.0 but he has a budding 3PT shot already, he has better handles than Brook, he has the length and we have Bud. It's not a bad starting base.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#148 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 6:50 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I want to. Obviously we can't get him to be a Giannis but I think he could be a poor version of Brook Lopez, who shot 3s and contested more shots than anyone. He was never a great rebounder (which I also could see for Bol) but can see him shooting 3s and contesting. He's got a surprisingly good handle for his height/length too.

Brook Lopez is like 80 lbs heavier than Bol and he has always had a big man mentality. Bol doesn’t have that mentality, he is an SF in his mind and doesn't box out, he doesn't push bodies or tries to dominate the boards.

That's why I can't imagine Bol as a good option at C.

During his best game of the season as a Sun he couldn't box out Sengun to grab a much needed rebound on a FT miss to close the game. He doesn't have the technique, the mentality and the strength of a C.

Brook Lopez is very good boxing out and he clears space in the paint to facilitate rebounds for his teammates. Marc Gasol used to be like him in that regard.

I want Bol Bol on the team next year but I would prefer to use him as a PF.


I'm not saying he's the same size as Bol Bol or could muscle out opposing Cs, but he could be hard to guard for other Cs, but I'd probably play him at PF if we did have a decent physical C. But if we wanted to go 5 out and run, he'd fit in well.
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Post#149 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:30 pm

His on/off numbers are poor given his high offensive output which suggests he leaks points on defense.

Can he learn like a Javale McGee to be just sort of bad instead of regularly bad so he's playable in playoffs?
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Post#150 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:59 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:His on/off numbers are poor given his high offensive output which suggests he leaks points on defense.

Can he learn like a Javale McGee to be just sort of bad instead of regularly bad so he's playable in playoffs?


Are most of our bench players on/off numbers bad? I know our big 3 were very good when on the court together with a huge plus, but given we finished in 6th (barely), I'm guessing we were really outscored when most any of our bench played, since we lack depth. So I'm guessing it's not entirely on Bol, but he just usually played with a fairly weak unit.
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Post#151 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:57 am

I felt like Bol Bol looked pretty great when he shared spot minutes with the big 3 and Nurk. I'd love to have him back and give him more of a chance playing with the starters.
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Post#152 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 5, 2024 7:47 pm

Bol Bol, JT Thor, Khaman Maluach Included On South Sudan Preliminary Olympic Roster.

Bol Bol is the NBA headliner of the preliminary roster. He's a free agent this offseason, after spending last year with the Phoenix Suns.

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Post#153 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 6, 2024 4:09 pm

I actually think we're not going to be able to afford him. I could see a team that has cap space offering him a Landale type of offer.
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Post#154 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 12:35 am

King4Day wrote:I actually think we're not going to be able to afford him. I could see a team that has cap space offering him a Landale type of offer.
Too big to pass up.

Doesn't even need to be a Landale type deal. Most we can offer is his current salary + 20%. If any team can beat that (which is like all but a few teams) then they can out bid us
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Post#155 » by Saberestar » Fri Jun 7, 2024 6:05 am

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Post#158 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jul 1, 2024 12:10 am

I'm not sure where the tweet is, but Bol Bol is able to get a $10-$11 million contract from the Suns after the 2024-25 season, so if he becomes an integral part of the rotation, I could totally see something like that happening. I still have high hopes for Bol.

Also... not sure if anyone has looked up Bol's stats for the year. But he had a 70% TS, ORtg of 130, DRtg of 112. Shot 42% from corner 3 (only 32 attempts though), 93% FG% shots 0-3 feet, 68% FG% shots 3-10 feet. I think he was underutilized under Frank Vogel and I'm hopeful coach Bud can get Bol to have a career year.
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Post#159 » by bigfoot » Mon Jul 1, 2024 12:26 am

Qwigglez wrote:I'm not sure where the tweet is, but Bol Bol is able to get a $10-$11 million contract from the Suns after the 2024-25 season, so if he becomes an integral part of the rotation, I could totally see something like that happening. I still have high hopes for Bol.


Any player with two seasons under their belt for the same team can sign for the league average salary. If only one year under their belt then it would be 120% of previous salary.

Okogie and Lee are both eligible. Bol is not but will be next year.
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Post#160 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jul 1, 2024 12:45 am

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Qwigglez wrote:I'm not sure where the tweet is, but Bol Bol is able to get a $10-$11 million contract from the Suns after the 2024-25 season, so if he becomes an integral part of the rotation, I could totally see something like that happening. I still have high hopes for Bol.


Any player with two seasons under their belt for the same team can sign for the league average salary. If only one year under their belt then it would be 120% of previous salary.

Okogie and Lee are both eligible. Bol is not but will be next year.

Good to know. Thanks!

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