OT- Trump found guilty in Hush Money Trial

[Jalen Bluntson]

You're describing a caste system that insulates government officials. Where did this idea come from?

Isn't the point of a justice system that actually works is to show no one is above the law?

that was definitely not my intent. The way it should work is he should of been impeached or the very worst Censured- setting the stage, direction, and context for criminal trials to come. For the Republicans to act like nothing wrong was done was obviously divisive and created far more of a mess than necessary.

Quick note: these were crimes committed before he took office though, so the impeachment process doesn't really apply.

Donald Trump has been treated better than any average citizen or white collar criminal has during these proceedings. Multiple gag order violations would have landed anyone else in Rikers during the course of their trial.

The fact that the judge had to tip toe around his repeated violations is a testament to how he was focused on the actual substance of the trial and not the circus sideshow Trump was trying to turn it into. It leads me to believe the claims of abuse of the law for political reasons are just the dying gasps of a desperate base who refuse to see reality or walk away from their poor judgement regarding this man.

I have had several friends talk of civil wars and fraud verdicts etc for two days now. Actually real life friends ready to argue with me over this man. I take the "no dog on this fight" approach and ask for factual info they base their claims off of. Do your own research is the answer I get. Really? You'll fight a civil war but, you can't give me valid reasons why? Ok. Let's go have a beer instead.

[WaltFrazier]

Canadian here. It still boggles my mind the Dems can't get a center left competent candidate in his 50s or early 60s. Biden is pretty senile when I hear him speak.

I think Biden has been an above average president, but I also don't like to hear him speak. He doesn't look presidential.

That said, I'll take a competant president with smart people around him over someone who looks the part but doesn't do the job well any day of the week. I share your opinion of Biden, but I'll have no problem voting for him.

He does not sound senile at all. He's just an old man who overcame a stuttering condition as a young man who is slowing down. His mental faculties are just fine. He's going to have mental lapses at his age. Everyone over the age of 60 has momentary brain farts and mental pauses.

It is ridiculous to call Biden senile when Trump is clinically well into advancing stages of senile dementia. Anyone who has watched both men talk recently understands the difference. Trump's is slurring his words, unable to read a teleprompter, forgetting who people are, mixing up people, unable to stay on topic and inventing bizarre words that don't exist. Dementia patients nod off all day long like Trump who just slept through his own felony trial.

What matters really is Biden has competent people around him and Trump is surrounded by crooks and idiots.

I've seen numerous videos on YouTube that show a lot of Biden's speaking gaffes - slurring words, trouble reading prompter, forgetting names, forgetting where he is, going off topic. Senator Biden 20 years ago was better, even VP Biden appeared sharper. It's not ideal for the leader of the free world to be a poor communicator. He may be surrounded by competent people ( but not Kamala), but that kind of makes him a figurehead if not a puppet. Again, I can't believe they can't run a guy, like a senator, who's 20 years younger but still very experienced.

[Capn'O]

Wow. One human can control and wreck, or make awesome, a trillion dollar economy, with many diverse and different parts, to include international factors.

We need to get rid of the congress, judiciary and scrap the constitution and get with a monarchy ASAP, since the man king is what gets things done.

Well the democrats seem to think that "one human" will usher in the 4th Reich and become the re-incarnation of Adolf and that's why they have to stop him at all costs...even though we've already had 4 years of Trump and...none of that happened.

Get real. The democrats need to explain to the American people how they will be better able to feed their families under Biden rather than Trump. That is the only thing that will move the needle for him. Not this farce.

I don't think "feeding my family" was much better under Trump than it has been under Biden.

Prices of food have been going up since 2007.

I don't like it, but I hardly see the Trump years as some panacea, economically.

Both parties are the party of businesses. Trump is just a gifted actor fronting for one of the parties. He's got no ideas of his own. He's just spouting BS populism that simps suck up, because the rest of the rhetoric dovetails with their worldview.
It's not like liberals wouldn't fall for a similar BS act from the right type of candidate right now, if one existed.

Again, Americans experienced some inflation and they lost their f*cking minds.

The system has been broken for 40 years but no Republican I'm familiar with has said jack sh*t about it all that time.
None of them have cared a lick about military adventurism etc.
All of sudden, it's all bad, and it's the democrats who are the war mongers.

All the stances are a pathetic joke. The parties are mostly the same.
It's just amusing to see so called conservatives trot out the talking points of the left from 50 years ago.
Not that they believe in a single one of them.

The way I see it: Interest rates were super low and they had to raise them to stop runaway inflation from occurring. Now it's hard to build anything. So that's your " bad Biden economy."

The low interest rates were kind of a gimmick. DT can now pin the slowdown on his successor's FR but it could have been a cliff. I'm hoping the Fed relaxes them a bit this summer.

[DOT]

I think Biden has been an above average president, but I also don't like to hear him speak. He doesn't look presidential.

That said, I'll take a competant president with smart people around him over someone who looks the part but doesn't do the job well any day of the week. I share your opinion of Biden, but I'll have no problem voting for him.

He does not sound senile at all. He's just an old man who overcame a stuttering condition as a young man who is slowing down. His mental faculties are just fine. He's going to have mental lapses at his age. Everyone over the age of 60 has momentary brain farts and mental pauses.

It is ridiculous to call Biden senile when Trump is clinically well into advancing stages of senile dementia. Anyone who has watched both men talk recently understands the difference. Trump's is slurring his words, unable to read a teleprompter, forgetting who people are, mixing up people, unable to stay on topic and inventing bizarre words that don't exist. Dementia patients nod off all day long like Trump who just slept through his own felony trial.

What matters really is Biden has competent people around him and Trump is surrounded by crooks and idiots.

I've seen numerous videos on YouTube that show a lot of Biden's speaking gaffes - slurring words, trouble reading prompter, forgetting names, forgetting where he is, going off topic. Senator Biden 20 years ago was better, even VP Biden appeared sharper. It's not ideal for the leader of the free world to be a poor communicator. He may be surrounded by competent people ( but not Kamala), but that kind of makes him a figurehead if not a puppet. Again, I can't believe they can't run a guy, like a senator, who's 20 years younger but still very experienced.

Because the Dems are a bunch of ineffective bureaucrats who hold on to power for too long (see; Feinstein and Bader-Ginsburg), who are more concerned with doing their own favors instead of objective analysis (same reason why Hillary was the nominee in 2016 and why Biden was pushed so hard by the DNC in 2020)

That isn't an endorsement of the Republican party in the slightest, they are clearly far worse, but the fact they're so flagrantly, openly awful and the Dems keep shooting themselves in their own foot again and again is a clear indictment of the Dems as a party.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Well the democrats seem to think that "one human" will usher in the 4th Reich and become the re-incarnation of Adolf and that's why they have to stop him at all costs...even though we've already had 4 years of Trump and...none of that happened.

Get real. The democrats need to explain to the American people how they will be better able to feed their families under Biden rather than Trump. That is the only thing that will move the needle for him. Not this farce.

I don't think "feeding my family" was much better under Trump than it has been under Biden.

Prices of food have been going up since 2007.

I don't like it, but I hardly see the Trump years as some panacea, economically.

Both parties are the party of businesses. Trump is just a gifted actor fronting for one of the parties. He's got no ideas of his own. He's just spouting BS populism that simps suck up, because the rest of the rhetoric dovetails with their worldview.
It's not like liberals wouldn't fall for a similar BS act from the right type of candidate right now, if one existed.

Again, Americans experienced some inflation and they lost their f*cking minds.

The system has been broken for 40 years but no Republican I'm familiar with has said jack sh*t about it all that time.
None of them have cared a lick about military adventurism etc.
All of sudden, it's all bad, and it's the democrats who are the war mongers.

All the stances are a pathetic joke. The parties are mostly the same.
It's just amusing to see so called conservatives trot out the talking points of the left from 50 years ago.
Not that they believe in a single one of them.

The way I see it: Interest rates were super low and they had to raise them to stop runaway inflation from occurring. Now it's hard to build anything. So that's your " bad Biden economy."

The low interest rates were kind of a gimmick. DT can now pin the slowdown on his successor's FR but it could have been a cliff. I'm hoping the Fed relaxes them a bit this summer.

The low to ZERO interest rates left no wiggle room to fight the inflation. It juices the economy when rates are are zero. Then the pandemic happens and inflation happens.

Funny thing is the rates are no higher than they were when Bush 2 was in office. People have never paid attention to this stuff until recently and they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Gas prices, the economy, taxes, etc. people have no idea what they are talking about and social media gives them a much louder voice than they deserve.

[NowWHYcee7]

Wow. One human can control and wreck, or make awesome, a trillion dollar economy, with many diverse and different parts, to include international factors.

We need to get rid of the congress, judiciary and scrap the constitution and get with a monarchy ASAP, since the man king is what gets things done.

Well the democrats seem to think that "one human" will usher in the 4th Reich and become the re-incarnation of Adolf and that's why they have to stop him at all costs...even though we've already had 4 years of Trump and...none of that happened.

Get real. The democrats need to explain to the American people how they will be better able to feed their families under Biden rather than Trump. That is the only thing that will move the needle for him. Not this farce.

I don't think "feeding my family" was much better under Trump than it has been under Biden.

Prices of food have been going up since 2007.

I don't like it, but I hardly see the Trump years as some panacea, economically.

Both parties are the party of businesses. Trump is just a gifted actor fronting for one of the parties. He's got no ideas of his own. He's just spouting BS populism that simps suck up, because the rest of the rhetoric dovetails with their worldview.
It's not like liberals wouldn't fall for a similar BS act from the right type of candidate right now, if one existed.

Again, Americans experienced some inflation and they lost their f*cking minds.

The system has been broken for 40 years but no Republican I'm familiar with has said jack sh*t about it all that time.
None of them have cared a lick about military adventurism etc.
All of sudden, it's all bad, and it's the democrats who are the war mongers.

All the stances are a pathetic joke. The parties are mostly the same.
It's just amusing to see so called conservatives trot out the talking points of the left from 50 years ago.
Not that they believe in a single one of them.

Thank you for the measured response. Though I disagree with you when you say inflation isn’t really an issue, most Americans would say otherwise. Americans have been forced to work a second or even a third job just to cover basic expenses, which the democrats will tout as “job growth,” it is disingenuous and insulting. At the same time they see billions of dollars being spent to fight wars overseas, and to house and shelter people who don’t even belong here in the first place. The democrats have had no real response to these concerns, all they seem to know how to do is fear monger about Trump. It isn’t working.

I agree with you when you saw both parties are corrupt. But I have to call it how I see it. Under Trump we were not at war. That was the first time I’ve personally seen that in my life and I chalk that up as a positive. People were just better off in every aspect. We can hem and haw and cite meaningless statistics all we want but those are the facts. If Biden wins another term a war with Iran is almost guaranteed. Consumer confidence will continue to plummet, businesses will continue to shut down, and our neighborhoods will continue to deteriorate. These problems will not exist in the world of wealthy white liberals but the rest of us will suffer. It doesn’t take a masters or doctorate degree to see and understand that the status quo cannot continue.

[Im Coming Home]

What will you do come July if he isn't in prison? What did you do the last time his mug-shot was released and you all celebrated for 72 hours before realizing it had no effect on his candidacy?

Biden has gotten nothing done this past 4 years. Even his own voters are fleeing him in droves. Many of them may not be voting for Trump, but they know incompetence when they see it. The bottom line is if the way Biden has handled the economy was so wonderful, he'd be leading Trump right now and it wouldn't be close. Instead the opposite it true. Americans see billions and billions of dollars going to everyone else except Americans while they can't afford basic necessities like food and gas...then they turn on the TV and hear the liberal talking heads tell them that they are crazy, the economy is great! Crime, the joke of a border, businesses shutting down left and right, the administrations terrible messaging on Israel/Palestine, Kamala freaking Harris (lol), Bidens deteriorating mental state, our diminished image on the international stage...that's some bubble you live in if you think all of these factors won't work against him in November.


People may not like Trump, but guess what, he was already President for 4 years - and people will look back and compare life under his administration to life under this one...it's really that simple. Another 4 years won't hurt us, and certainly not more than another 4 years of this clown....who may even die in office and then we'll be stuck with Kamala, who isn't even liked or trusted by her own party or staff. Nobody cares about Trump's "meanie" attitude besides you guys. Do you think Americans really care about alleged "hush money" paid to a porn star when they can't pay their mortgage? Again democrats KNOW THEY CANNOT BEAT HIM ON THE ISSUES...that's the only reason they are keeping him in court. It's such a sad spectacle, it's almost cringe-worthy how hard they are trying to destroy his image and he keeps coming back stronger each time LMAO.

You guys don't even get paid for all this shilling you do for democrats....or do you? IDK. Either way its a shame.

Wow. One human can control and wreck, or make awesome, a trillion dollar economy, with many diverse and different parts, to include international factors.

We need to get rid of the congress, judiciary and scrap the constitution and get with a monarchy ASAP, since the man king is what gets things done.

Well the democrats seem to think that "one human" will usher in the 4th Reich and become the re-incarnation of Adolf and that's why they have to stop him at all costs...even though we've already had 4 years of Trump and...none of that happened.

Get real. The democrats need to explain to the American people how they will be better able to feed their families under Biden rather than Trump. That is the only thing that will move the needle for him. Not this farce.

Unfortunately most of the country is unable to criticially think. Anyone who does any research into economics and policies and how they effect the economy all will tell you it takes years to feel the effects of the policies. Republicans know this but know most of the country is too stupid and thinks whatever economy we are dealing with now is caused by the current president. In reality it takes around 3-4years to feel economic policy effects, so Trumps policies is what caused the horrible inflation not Biden. Just like Trump was the beneficiary of the positive policies put into place by Obama.

The only thing Trump had was cheap gas, and that was simply due to COVID, no one was driving so the demand was low so gas was cheap. Now everything is normal again so price went back up due to demand going back up, nothing to do with Biden.


Unfortunately a lot of Americans on both sides are unable to critically think or learn that economic policies take time to be felt so they'll blame Biden and any moderates on the fence may vote for Trump as they had 4 years to forget how terrible and embarrassing Trump was.

[DOT]

The only thing Trump had was cheap gas, and that was simply due to COVID, no one was driving so the demand was low so gas was cheap. Now everything is normal again so price went back up due to demand going back up, nothing to do with Biden.

I remember explaining this to someone on this board and then also adding on at the end that a big reason for the spike in prices was due to the Ukraine war because Europe stopped buying oil from Russia, meaning not only was demand spiking but supply was artificially decreasing at the same time, which of course meant prices skyrocketed for a bit

Instead of going "oh, that makes sense, I didn't understand how that worked", he just stopped replying in that thread and I assume to this day is still shaking his fist at Biden for pulling the "make gas more expensive" lever in the Oval Office

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[Stannis]

So, you're of the opinion that the people saying he's suffering from dementia are wrong?

He called Biden "Obama" a couple months ago.

a LOT of people are saying he is showing signs of dementia. Experts are saying this. Articles have been written about it.

In my opinion, he never struck me as very smart. He's more of a one trick pony. He's got a single skill. He convinced the far right that he was on their side.

Basically, his first few days in office, he told Jeff Sessions to "take over" the investigation on the Russian election interference. Sessions KNEW that it would be a breach of ethics and that he couldn't do that as attorney general. That Trump thought this was a reasonable thing to ask and that he expected Sessions to comply is a sign of stupidity.

He had a meeting with James Comey, where he asked Comey to break the law. Comey isn't my favorite person. He royally screwed up the Hillary investigation and possibly cost her the election (that wasn't in the job description), and after Trump asked him to break the law, Comey's response was to write a book, and I gather, it wasn't even a good book. Still, how stupid does Trump have to be to ask the head of the FBI, a person who he basically just met, to break the law for him?

Trump wants things explained to him on single sheets of paper, double spaced, with a list of bullet points. That's the extent of his ability to understand a concept.

Trump's meeting with Justin Trudeau, the first thing he said to Justin was that he wanted to fix the trade imbalance between the US and Canada. Trudeau explained to him that the imbalance was in America's favor. How could Trump possibly not know that going into a meeting about trade? How is that even possible?

Trump is a moron and he's getting dumber. He does one thing well. He tells people who lean far right how great he is. That's his only skill and he's even beginning to lose ground there.

People stutter and get names mixed up all the time. He could just be dyslectic and/or just stupid. Maybe he does have dementia. I know he froze up pretty badly recently.

But don't these cases go way back? So even if he technically has dementia now, maybe he didn't back then when he committed the crimes?

[Stannis]

the choices are only biden and bobby, and both are freakin old

I still think it'll end up being Biden V Trump as the #1 and #2. RFK was initially running as a Democrat. I don't think he will win any republican voters, even if Trump gets jailed.

If he does go to prison, I'm guessing DeSantis or somebody else that matches his politics will have to just fill the gap.

[WargamesX]

I guess Boston or the Mavs winning a championship is the cosmic cost of having the privilege to make Donald Trump a felon. You can’t have your cake and eat it too…. If we were in the finals the hate would be too much.

Next year when he is jail he’s gonna miss our championship parade…

[GONYK]

I tend to judge presidents less on things like inflation, which comes and goes, and more on things like the number of race riots, how many subversions of the democratic process attempts, the count of pandemics colossally botched, and the number of convictions.

America has survived inflation many times over. I don't see an argument for how that is more dangerous to the country's overall stability than a president who says elections are rigged unless he wins.

I believe character is destiny, and while there are no angels in politics, most have the sense not to be as openly corrupt as Trump.

But that's just me. I acknowledge that people have different appetites for complete chaos. All elections have consequences.

It is crazy to think about how much of this stems from RBG refusing to step down though.

[dakomish23]

Thudingee - "So it begins", in my parents native language but in a sarcastic way.

Trump committed crimes. He got convicted. Every single GOP member crying right now don't say he's innocent, they just say it should have never went to trial - verbatim. B/C they know the angle that he's innocent isn't flying with americans. So for all those ppl who wrongly scream "two tier justice system", that is exactly what the GOP leaders were advocating for. When you don't prosecute b/c of who someone is.

I'll leave it there though I see the goalposts are already moving in typical fashion. Please keep it civil

[Jeffrey]

CNN posed a question if Donald will get jail time. The former SDNY DA said, he doesn't think Trump will get any jail time. He is a first time offender (i know i know) and this is a Class E felony. Most likely probation, community service, etc.

Is this true?

[Fury]

CNN posed a question if Donald will get jail time. The former SDNY DA said, he doesn't think Trump will get any jail time. He is a first time offender (i know i know) and this is a Class E felony. Most likely probation, community service, etc.

Is this true?

Yeah, most likely.

[GONYK]

CNN posed a question if Donald will get jail time. The former SDNY DA said, he doesn't think Trump will get any jail time. He is a first time offender (i know i know) and this is a Class E felony. Most likely probation, community service, etc.

Is this true?

Yes. This is the lowest tier of felony, so jail time is very unlikely.

[DOT]

CNN posed a question if Donald will get jail time. The former SDNY DA said, he doesn't think Trump will get any jail time. He is a first time offender (i know i know) and this is a Class E felony. Most likely probation, community service, etc.

Is this true?

He's a "rich" white man

Dude is never setting foot in prison

For these, he's gonna get fined, but that's it. And he won't be paying any of it cause his cult members are lining up to give him money

I swear, if I were slightly more unscrupulous I'd make a killing off these rubes.

[spree8]

I feel like engaging in political discussions & discord on a superficial level (presidents and “their” policies and affect on the economy) is akin to sitting at the kiddy table in daycare watching a puppet show, bickering over who’s the better character, while the adults who really run the place look down and laugh at how willfully ignorant we all are.

Meanwhile, they’re raiding our lunch boxes, book bags, & milk money, and over-charging our parents for the privilege to do so.

[DOT]

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[thebuzzardman]

Trump is more Durst than he is Tisch