SAC - UTA

[bpcox05]

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SAC Gets: John Collins & Taylor Hendricks
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, & #13
Why for SAC? The Kings would be able to replace Huerter with Fox, Ellis, Mitchell, and hopefully Monk at guard and Vezenkov & Duarte have largely been out of the core rotation. In exchange, they get a bigger, more athletic PF in Collins to help against teams that have size. Collins is neither the elite defender or shooter we’d want at PF, but he’s decent at both and could be a pretty good fit next to Sabonis (and he gives them a lob option as well). The real prize would be taking a chance on Hendricks who does project as an ideal fit next to Sabonis (long term) with his size, length, athleticism, shooting, rim protection, and defensive potential. He may not be good enough yet to get major minutes this upcoming season but I like the idea of taking a chance on such an ideal fit vs. drafting BPA at #13.

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Ellis / Monk* / Jones
SF - Murray / Barnes
PF - Collins / Hendricks
C - Sabonis / Lyles
Picks - #45
* resigned

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UTA Gets: Kevin Huerter, Sasha Vezenkov, Chris Duarte, & #13
UTA Gives: John Collins & Taylor Hendricks
Why for UTA? Utah clears Collins contract and saves $3 mil this year and $14.7 mil next year (since Vezenkov & Duarte can both come off the books). It also opens minutes up for a Markkanen/Kessler frontcourt. They cash in on a lackluster season for Hendricks and take another swing in the lottery this year. They also take on Huerter but could potentially revive his value and moving him for another asset down the road (or keeping him since he’s still relatively young).

PG - Sexton / Clarkson
SG - George / Duarte
SF - Huerter / Sensabaugh / Bazley
PF - Markkanen / Vezenkov / Lofton
C - Kessler / Yurtseven
Picks - #10 / #13 / #29 / #32

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[jbk1234]

If the Jazz are low enough on Hendricks to do this, the Kings better be pretty confident that they're misusing him somehow.

[Godaddycurse]

jazz already have 3 picks in this draft, i'm skeptical they want to add a 4th

[dr0welf]

Collins is available but we are not working to get off his contract. And no way we dump Collins contract by giving up on Hendricks. And the 13th pick in this draft means little to us as already mentioned we have 3 already and 3 rookies from last year. And finally the three players offered do nothing for us. So this is a no all the way around.

[Xman]

Based on some Utah fans criticizing Hendrix, I like it if they really don’t want him. Solid bodies to fill Sacramento needs.

[Xman]

Also, pick 13 is about where second tier ends so has value if taking best player available.
Draft:
Definitely gone in top 8: Sarr, Risacher, Clingan
The next batch: Sheppard, Topic, Buzelis, Dillingham, Castle, Knecht, Holland, CWilliams, Saluan, JWalter.
After that bunch: McCain, Carter, Missi, Filipowski, Ware, Edey, etc.

So, one or more of [Sheppard, Topic, Buzelis, Dillingham, Castle, Knecht, Holland, CWilliams, Saluan, JWalter] will be there at #13.
I feel like it is perfect for a team to just take best available or try for one of the big guys.

[SkyHook]

Based on some Utah fans criticizing Hendrix, I like it if they really don’t want him. Solid bodies to fill Sacramento needs.

Hendricks was easily, overwhelmingly the best rookie on the Jazz this past season, though that's not saying much.

[Xman]

[quote="SkyHook"][quote="Xman"]Based on some Utah fans criticizing Hendrix, I like it if they really don’t want him. Solid bodies to fill Sacramento needs.[/quote]

Hendricks was easily, overwhelmingly the best rookie on the Jazz this past season, though that's not saying much.[/quote]

So, is he worth anything or not? Too soon to tell?

[HadAnEffectHere]

Based on some Utah fans criticizing Hendrix, I like it if they really don’t want him. Solid bodies to fill Sacramento needs.

Hendricks was easily, overwhelmingly the best rookie on the Jazz this past season, though that's not saying much.

So, is he worth anything or not? Too soon to tell?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,

He has a decent chance to be Jaden McDaniels with like 38-40% shooting from three and a bit worse defense in a few years... But this isn't guaranteed and it's not a super interesting ceiling.

I think fans like him a lot more than the team does so I wouldn't be shocked at all by a move.

[babyjax13]

I love this. I was very meh on Hendricks in the draft but he does have a valuable skillset, Collins is a terrible fit for us while the guys coming back are decent fits, and we can either use 13 or try to move up with 10+13

[BoogieTime]

Sac by a lot votes?

I hadn’t even heard of him

My first thought is if a Jazz fan presented the trade how would the poll look?

My immediate thought was did he show enough for the Kings to not want to have their pick of this draft? This is the theory that draft picks hold more value than cars actually being driven off the lot because of what they could “possibly” turn into

And at the development of the Kings its better for proven vets though

[OxAndFox]

I don't mind this as an idea.

The problem for me isn't the trade though, Mike Brown would still play Barnes ahead of Collins which he shouldn't and then he wouldn't play Hendricks, which he should.

[bpcox05]

I don't mind this as an idea.

The problem for me isn't the trade though, Mike Brown would still play Barnes ahead of Collins which he shouldn't and then he wouldn't play Hendricks, which he should.

Perhaps swapping out Huerter for Barnes makes a bit more sense? That would give the Kings a minute rotation like…

PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Ellis (22) / Monk* (26)
SF - Murray (22) / Huerter (24) / Ellis (2)
PF - Collins (24) / Murray (10) / Lyles (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len* (14)
* = resigned

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Collins = 24 min
Huerter = 24 min
Mitchell = 14 min
Lyles = 14 min
Len = 14 min

…vs. if we sent out Huerter, it would be something like…

PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Ellis (22) / Monk* (26)
SF - Murray (32) / Barnes (14) / Ellis (2)
PF - Collins (24) / Barnes (10) / Lyles (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Len* (14)
* = resigned

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Collins = 24 min
Barnes = 24 min
Mitchell = 14 min
Lyles = 14 min
Len = 14 min

Personally, I gravitate towards sending out Huerter as it allows us to ramp up Mitchell’s minutes and play Lyles and/or Collins at small ball C without sacrificing Murray’s minutes at SF. For example, it could be…

PG - Fox (28) / Mitchell (20)
SG - Ellis (16) / Monk* (26) / Fox (6)
SF - Murray (32) / Barnes (8) / Ellis (8)
PF - Collins (24) / Barnes (16) / Lyles (8)
C - Sabonis (34) / Lyles (14)
* = resigned

Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Monk = 26 min
Ellis = 24 min
Collins = 24 min
Barnes = 24 min
Lyles = 22 min
Mitchell = 20 min

[mg]

No the Jazz are not making this trade.

Is Hendricks an untouchable? Probably not but he was just the 9th pick last year in a much stronger draft. The Jazz actually do like Hendricks' potential quite a bit. I don't see anyone at 13 with a higher ceiling than him.

Now if the Kings or any other team want Collins I'm assuming a matching salaries type deal could work as long as the incoming contracts are not longer than Collins deal.

[OGSactownballer]

Hendricks was easily, overwhelmingly the best rookie on the Jazz this past season, though that's not saying much.

So, is he worth anything or not? Too soon to tell?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,

He has a decent chance to be Jaden McDaniels with like 38-40% shooting from three and a bit worse defense in a few years... But this isn't guaranteed and it's not a super interesting ceiling.

I think fans like him a lot more than the team does so I wouldn't be shocked at all by a move.

So we have a Loooong history of this in Sac over the years.

Fan favorite because he looks exciting/promising on a lotto level team.

So overall he’s a throw in and kind of a flyer on if he can develop a 7-10 bench role for a playoff team.

[OGSactownballer]

I don't mind this as an idea.

The problem for me isn't the trade though, Mike Brown would still play Barnes ahead of Collins which he shouldn't and then he wouldn't play Hendricks, which he should.

I think that Barnes becomes the salary filler for another trade for a bigger piece with future picks.

[OGSactownballer]

No the Jazz are not making this trade.

Is Hendricks an untouchable? Probably not but he was just the 9th pick last year in a much stronger draft. The Jazz actually do like Hendricks' potential quite a bit. I don't see anyone at 13 with a higher ceiling than him.

Now if the Kings or any other team want Collins I'm assuming a matching salaries type deal could work as long as the incoming contracts are not longer than Collins deal.

So to translate:

You want off Collins’ deal for shorter contract length (either Barnes or Huerter fit this) and less money (same again) but you don’t want to give any incentive or value to do this even though you are getting that back in addition with a pick.

Yeah that’s not how trades that are fair and balanced work.

[Catchall]

The best asset in this trade is Hendricks. The Jazz aren't going to move him in a deal like this unless somehow they've completely given up on him (which they haven't). Guys like Duarte, Vezenkov and even Huerter aren't difference-makers.