Trade Ideas

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm not seeing much i like on the trade front and I don't want to get shortchanged because Garland's value is not great after this year.
Would it really be so bad just to run this thing back one more time? Who is better than us in the East other than Boston? We run it back with health we are the 2 seed. That is the way i see it. Make a trade if it favors us, if not just go back at it...and pray Mobley really makes a leap next year and that Don and Darius can figure this thing out.

I'm not super confident that Garland and Mitchell are both on the roster next season.

I don't like the articles I'm seeing stating that Mitchell has more influence over the Cavs than LeBron does over the Lakers.

So what we sign Johnnie Bryant as the new head coach, extend Mitchell, and then Rich Paul throws a fit? Was it really Mitchell who was upset Allen was sitting out?

Idk, the core is very unstable and Mobley is better at the 5. I fully believe incompetent Koby to try to run it back, if his presser is to be believed.

However, all signs point to jb not being the lone problem this team had.

Cavs are going to do what Mitchell wants if it means he will sign and if we have to break up team klunky, yeah, it would be better to do it when they have higher value ... but with a new coach coming its a great time to re-sync everyone up.

And even for those of us who think this team actually works when healthy, they haven't been and to make matters worse they are fragile and easy to push around.

We had a bunch of talented nice guys in the 90s too, and year after year we kept trying and never got anywhere. Not tough enough, couldn't stay healthy.

I'm fine doing w.e he wants, ONCE he signs the extension.

But I'm not hiring Bryant without a Mitchell extension. Rich Paul obviously won't force Garland out without the extension, so not too worried there. I doubt Mitchell would pull a LeBron and tell a franchise who to draft but if he tried, I wouldn't listen. Idk who had beef with Allen but whoever it was, especially if Mitchell I would try to squash it. That way Allen or his reps don't request a trade too.

[JonFromVA]

I'm not super confident that Garland and Mitchell are both on the roster next season.

I don't like the articles I'm seeing stating that Mitchell has more influence over the Cavs than LeBron does over the Lakers.

So what we sign Johnnie Bryant as the new head coach, extend Mitchell, and then Rich Paul throws a fit? Was it really Mitchell who was upset Allen was sitting out?

Idk, the core is very unstable and Mobley is better at the 5. I fully believe incompetent Koby to try to run it back, if his presser is to be believed.

However, all signs point to jb not being the lone problem this team had.

Cavs are going to do what Mitchell wants if it means he will sign and if we have to break up team klunky, yeah, it would be better to do it when they have higher value ... but with a new coach coming its a great time to re-sync everyone up.

And even for those of us who think this team actually works when healthy, they haven't been and to make matters worse they are fragile and easy to push around.

We had a bunch of talented nice guys in the 90s too, and year after year we kept trying and never got anywhere. Not tough enough, couldn't stay healthy.

Butler, Dame, Giannis, Brunson, OG, Haliburton.

Maybe the refs swallowing whistles and the awards eligibility rules were a bad thing.

Perhaps, but we have a long list of injuries since we started this rebuild that can't be attributed to the refs.

[toooskies]

Cavs are going to do what Mitchell wants if it means he will sign and if we have to break up team klunky, yeah, it would be better to do it when they have higher value ... but with a new coach coming its a great time to re-sync everyone up.

And even for those of us who think this team actually works when healthy, they haven't been and to make matters worse they are fragile and easy to push around.

We had a bunch of talented nice guys in the 90s too, and year after year we kept trying and never got anywhere. Not tough enough, couldn't stay healthy.

Butler, Dame, Giannis, Brunson, OG, Haliburton.

Maybe the refs swallowing whistles and the awards eligibility rules were a bad thing.

Perhaps, but we have a long list of injuries since we started this rebuild that can't be attributed to the refs.

Availability is an elite talent and to a degree mitigates deficiencies in other talents.

[jbk1234]

Cavs are going to do what Mitchell wants if it means he will sign and if we have to break up team klunky, yeah, it would be better to do it when they have higher value ... but with a new coach coming its a great time to re-sync everyone up.

And even for those of us who think this team actually works when healthy, they haven't been and to make matters worse they are fragile and easy to push around.

We had a bunch of talented nice guys in the 90s too, and year after year we kept trying and never got anywhere. Not tough enough, couldn't stay healthy.

Butler, Dame, Giannis, Brunson, OG, Haliburton.

Maybe the refs swallowing whistles and the awards eligibility rules were a bad thing.

Perhaps, but we have a long list of injuries since we started this rebuild that can't be attributed to the refs.

I honestly believe that coaches like JB, Thibs, and Nurse play their guys into the ground and that's a significant contributing cause. Some players simply don't have the constitutionto play significant minutes 70+ games a year.

Some players are just injury prone. Wade, Windler, Ty Jerome, Rubio, and even CPJ at the end of the season, weren't injured as a result of overuse. The next backup PG we acquire needs to be able to stay on the floor. The next backup center we acquire needs to be able to stay on the floor

[JonFromVA]

Butler, Dame, Giannis, Brunson, OG, Haliburton.

Maybe the refs swallowing whistles and the awards eligibility rules were a bad thing.

Perhaps, but we have a long list of injuries since we started this rebuild that can't be attributed to the refs.

I honestly believe that coaches like JB, Thibs, and Nurse play their guys into the ground and that's a significant contributing cause. Some players simply don't have the constitutionto play significant minutes 70+ games a year.

Some players are just injury prone. Wade, Windler, Ty Jerome, Rubio, and even CPJ at the end of the season, weren't injured as a result of overuse. The next backup PG we acquire needs to be able to stay on the floor. The next backup center we acquire needs to be able to stay on the floor

JBB is pretty awful in that respect if not quite Thibs level, but overuse is a tricky thing because accumulated stress and exhaustion are problematic.

Push too hard and some guys will break.

But sure, that doesn't explain Garland getting stabbed in the eye or taking an elbow to his jaw and sometimes players are going to land wrong and suffer a high ankle sprain ... not that the Cavs could be bothered to report on the severity of CPJ's sprain...

[jbk1234]

Perhaps, but we have a long list of injuries since we started this rebuild that can't be attributed to the refs.

I honestly believe that coaches like JB, Thibs, and Nurse play their guys into the ground and that's a significant contributing cause. Some players simply don't have the constitutionto play significant minutes 70+ games a year.

Some players are just injury prone. Wade, Windler, Ty Jerome, Rubio, and even CPJ at the end of the season, weren't injured as a result of overuse. The next backup PG we acquire needs to be able to stay on the floor. The next backup center we acquire needs to be able to stay on the floor

JBB is pretty awful in that respect if not quite Thibs level, but overuse is a tricky thing because accumulated stress and exhaustion are problematic.

Push too hard and some guys will break.

But sure, that doesn't explain Garland getting stabbed in the eye or taking an elbow to his jaw and sometimes players are going to land wrong and suffer a high ankle sprain ... not that the Cavs could be bothered to report on the severity of CPJ's sprain...

Whether it's RoLo or Damien being unplayable, TT getting suspended, Rubio never really making it back, or Ty Jerome being unable to even suit up for us, we've had major holes at backup center and backup PG for three years running. It's time to prioritize reliability at those positions.

[jbk1234]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

[JonFromVA]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

It's considered a weak draft and some teams may prefer not to be on the hook to pay some of these guys 1st round money. Heck, a pick swap could be very attractive to a cheapskate team that believes this draft is pretty flat in terms of talent.

So, sure, if we want a pick or want to flip a pick to another team we should be talking trades ahead of the draft. Whether we pull the trigger is another matter. It's a trade deadline of sorts, the Pels may fear a deal they could do before the draft won't be there after .. you know ... if David Griffin is the one guy in the league who doesn't take Koby Altman for a sucker.

[jbk1234]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

It's considered a weak draft and some teams may prefer not to be on the hook to pay some of these guys 1st round money. Heck, a pick swap could be very attractive to a cheapskate team that believes this draft is pretty flat in terms of talent.

So, sure, if we want a pick or want to flip a pick to another team we should be talking trades ahead of the draft. Whether we pull the trigger is another matter. It's a trade deadline of sorts, the Pels may fear a deal they could do before the draft won't be there after .. you know ... if David Griffin is the one guy in the league who doesn't take Koby Altman for a sucker.

I really can't see what we'd do with a lottery pick from this draft, but if the Cavs are uber high on someone, I guess they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

The flip side is that Claxton can only sign with one team, not six. Murray can only be traded to one team, not four.

[JonFromVA]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

It's considered a weak draft and some teams may prefer not to be on the hook to pay some of these guys 1st round money. Heck, a pick swap could be very attractive to a cheapskate team that believes this draft is pretty flat in terms of talent.

So, sure, if we want a pick or want to flip a pick to another team we should be talking trades ahead of the draft. Whether we pull the trigger is another matter. It's a trade deadline of sorts, the Pels may fear a deal they could do before the draft won't be there after .. you know ... if David Griffin is the one guy in the league who doesn't take Koby Altman for a sucker.

I really can't see what we'd do with a lottery pick from this draft, but if the Cavs are uber high on someone, I guess they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

The flip side is that Claxton can only sign with one team, not six. Murray can only be traded to one team, not four.

Hopefully a draft pick isn't the primary asset we'd get for Allen, unless the plan is to flip it to another team.

But presumably they'd target a player higher on their board and increase the odds of finding someone who won't bust and possibly contribute sooner.

[JujitsuFlip]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

[JonFromVA]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

The only thing you should believe from that presser is that Koby would rather put out fires than fan flames. His preference is to work quietly and pull off deals before the media catches on and ruins it or damages relationships.

Mitchell was Altman's big move, he will do everything in his power to extend him and keep him happy. So, what does Don want?

[JujitsuFlip]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

The only thing you should believe from that presser is that Koby would rather put out fires than fan flames. His preference is to work quietly and pull off deals before the media catches on and ruins it or damages relationships.

Mitchell was Altman's big move, he will do everything in his power to extend him and keep him happy. So, what does Don want?

I'll believe it when i see it. Koby is a complete knucklehead. I am proud he did the presser sober, i will at least give him that.

[JonFromVA]

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

The only thing you should believe from that presser is that Koby would rather put out fires than fan flames. His preference is to work quietly and pull off deals before the media catches on and ruins it or damages relationships.

Mitchell was Altman's big move, he will do everything in his power to extend him and keep him happy. So, what does Don want?

I'll believe it when i see it. Koby is a complete knucklehead. I am proud he did the presser sober, i will at least give him that.

I didn't say he'd get it done, and calming the flames will help if he can't; but it's literally his job to be talking to other GM's and exploring deals.

[jbk1234]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

In fairness, Lue basically quit because he didn't want to give young guys unearned minutes during a rebuild. Maybe that conversation didn't happen before we extended him (the summer before we'd obviously be rebuilding). Perhaps it did and Lue just said what he thought he had to in order to get paid. In any case, Lue was a championship coach who the Cavs weren't going to decline to extend if he was open to sticking around.

Drew was the assistant/interim coach who took over midseason and also didn't want to return when the season was over.

Beliein was a Gilbert hire and that **** need not ever happen again.

JB took over as interim coach when Beliein quit, or was fired, and retaing JB was really Altman's first *hire.*

[JujitsuFlip]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

In fairness, Lue basically quit because he didn't want to give young guys unearned minutes during a rebuild. Maybe that conversation didn't happen before we extended him (the summer before we'd obviously be rebuilding). Perhaps it did and Lue just said what he thought he had to in order to get paid. In any case, Lue was a championship coach who the Cavs weren't going to decline to extend if he was open to sticking around.

Drew was the assistant/interim coach who took over midseason and also didn't want to return when the season was over.

Beliein was a Gilbert hire and that **** need not ever happen again.

JB took over as interim coach when Beliein quit, or was fired, and retaing JB was really Altman's first *hire.*

None of that looks great though. Why do all these dudes outside of jb (who is Koby's friend) not want to work for Koby?

[jbk1234]

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

In fairness, Lue basically quit because he didn't want to give young guys unearned minutes during a rebuild. Maybe that conversation didn't happen before we extended him (the summer before we'd obviously be rebuilding). Perhaps it did and Lue just said what he thought he had to in order to get paid. In any case, Lue was a championship coach who the Cavs weren't going to decline to extend if he was open to sticking around.

Drew was the assistant/interim coach who took over midseason and also didn't want to return when the season was over.

Beliein was a Gilbert hire and that **** need not ever happen again.

JB took over as interim coach when Beliein quit, or was fired, and retaing JB was really Altman's first *hire.*

None of that looks great though. Why do all these dudes outside of jb (who is Koby's friend) not want to work for Koby?

We had a mandate to lose and develop the first two years. We traded a top-10 protected 1st for Korver. A lot of coaches don't want the stink of a rebuild on their resume and they feel like being unable to use the bench as a motivational tool undermines them. Lucas in Houston being the most extreme example.

Hindsight is 20/20 but we probably shouldn't have extended Love and Sexton certainly had too much rope. But the absolute worst Cavs coach I've ever witnessed was Beilein and that was 100% a Gilbert hire.

[axeman23]

I do hope that the reporting on the Cavs feeling a need to trade Allen ahead of the draft are erroneous. That's usually the absolute worst time to trade a veteran player. All your trade partners suffer from an excess of optimism in terms of whether they can find an answer in F.A. or the draft. Once the draft occurs, the big names come off the board in F.A., and teams get a good look at how raw the 19 year old they just drafted in SL is, reality hits. Reality hits even harder once the season starts and that backup center you singed to plug in shows why he's a backup. If the rumors about the Pelicans offering Herb Jones and draft capital midseason are true, that's what we should aim for again.

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

The only thing you should believe from that presser is that Koby would rather put out fires than fan flames. His preference is to work quietly and pull off deals before the media catches on and ruins it or damages relationships.

Mitchell was Altman's big move, he will do everything in his power to extend him and keep him happy. So, what does Don want?

I WISH someone would hurry up and irreparably damage Altman's relationship with Ainge!

[JonFromVA]

If Koby's presser is to be believed, they aren't trading any of the core 4. Heck, he even made it sound like the main rotation will be back too.

I think its a bad idea to run it back but Dan will eventually fire Koby who is going to now be on his 5th head coach since he took over in 2017.

The only thing you should believe from that presser is that Koby would rather put out fires than fan flames. His preference is to work quietly and pull off deals before the media catches on and ruins it or damages relationships.

Mitchell was Altman's big move, he will do everything in his power to extend him and keep him happy. So, what does Don want?

I WISH someone would hurry up and irreparably damage Altman's relationship with Ainge!

Justin Zanick is a friend of Koby's, but speaking of actual GMs, I wonder if we will ever hear from Gansey?

[ijspeelman]

I already know its been floated multiple times, but what would it take to get Mikal Bridges and/or Cameron Johnson?

They feel like the exact type we'd want at our 3/4 and they are under contract until 2026 and 2027 respectively