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Apparently, Kel'el Ware has been interviewing really well. His motor was absolutely terrible at Oregon last year, but much better at Indiana this year.
If he is truly someone who can bring the effort every night, his tools are absolutely top tier. Legit 7 footer with a 7'4.5 wingspan, 9'4 standing reach, explosive athleticism and a 3 point shot.
If he is truly someone who can bring the effort every night, his tools are absolutely top tier. Legit 7 footer with a 7'4.5 wingspan, 9'4 standing reach, explosive athleticism and a 3 point shot.
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RedIndian wrote:Apparently, Kel'el Ware has been interviewing really well. His motor was absolutely terrible at Oregon last year, but much better at Indiana this year.
If he is truly someone who can bring the effort every night, his tools are absolutely top tier. Legit 7 footer with a 7'4.5 wingspan, 9'4 standing reach, explosive athleticism and a 3 point shot.
I like Ware alot for his two way abilities which would place him above Missi for me if comparing the two. BUT currently I just have Missi above Ware due to his motor concerns, that really worry me honestly as I saw how it affected things with Ayton here and so many people's relationships with him. Aside from that paramount concern, he'd be an amazing fit.
I actually think he'll go the the Pels at 21 though right before us? Or possibly even the Heat at 15 interchangeably of course with Missi. His motor and passivity towards physicality really concern me after our last issues, and Missi from what I've seen of him so far looks to have a really high non stop motor and no aversion to physicality whatsoever so far. But IF Ware truly has left his motor and physicality concerns behind, then he could/ should be right up there with Missi on our big board top 5, as he projects along the lines of what Lively and a young Tyson Chandler had provided for the Mavs.


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RedIndian wrote:Apparently, Kel'el Ware has been interviewing really well. His motor was absolutely terrible at Oregon last year, but much better at Indiana this year.
If he is truly someone who can bring the effort every night, his tools are absolutely top tier. Legit 7 footer with a 7'4.5 wingspan, 9'4 standing reach, explosive athleticism and a 3 point shot.
Is his name pronounces the same as Kal-El (aka Superman)?
From Ringer draft:
PLUSES
A dunk contest–worthy athlete with phenomenal size and length. He’s an eager shot blocker with excellent timing, and he has good mobility and makes quick second leaps.
Good hands catching tough passes around the rim with the coordination to pivot toward the basket and finish from difficult angles.
Shoots an easy ball from 3. He hops into his shot and cleanly transitions into his high, unblockable release. His percentages need to catch up, but his touch is a positive indicator. He shoots a high percentage on hook shots, floaters, and layups.
His combination of skills gives him great pick-and-roll potential. His high school team ran plays off the opening tip in which a player would screen for him as he’d sprint toward the basket to catch a lob.
MINUSES
[b]Effort and focus have wavered going back to high school. He’ll disappear for an entire half. His desire to box out and play with physicality is a notable concern, and he’s been bullied by players of a comparable size to him.
When catching the ball around the rim, he sometimes brings it down to load up before elevating instead of just launching.
Sloppy decision-maker who doesn’t handle pressure well when posting up. He telegraphs passes and often dribbles into trouble.
His size suggests he could have value as a screener, except he’s not good at setting picks. He makes little contact. And since he’s lean, NBA defenses will often switch against him, but he lacks the moves on the post to take advantage.[b]
Minuses reads like everything we hate about DA.
But pluses reads like Myles Turner which is pretty solid at #22
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Ware should be a top 10 pick. No way he’s there at 22…. My top pick if available though
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Crives wrote:Ware should be a top 10 pick. No way he’s there at 22…. My top pick if available though
Maybe in a very shallow draft like this one that's devoid of hig end or star level talent sure! But the reason he's being mocked in this range of the 20s' so consistently is because his concerns over his inconsistencies are so troubling for an athletic long, mobile center prospect. His motor and passivity towards physicality are counterproductive to his trajectory in his role as a big man and having enough success at that position to warrant that range ( 10) etc.
And with the direction that the league is trending in with the increasing physicality, he'd need to show a more consistently high motor and willing level of physicality to establish that higher value. The entire league has a very large sample size of what it means taking a long athletic big in the lottery that has an inconsistent motor and aversion to physicality with how things turned out for us with Ayton. And that has left a bit of a sour taste in many people's mouths around that type of prospect and the implied risks of taking finesse bigs that choose to play small inverse to their size and abilities.

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Isaiah Collier
USC, Freshman
PHOENIX SUNS
There probably isn’t a better landing spot for Collier than the Suns, even though ending up here would necessitate falling in the draft. Collier’s downhill attacking ability would flourish alongside Phoenix’s spacing.
Dynamic point guard built like a tank with the ability to control the game.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/
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22. Phoenix Suns: G Tyler Kolek
Ht./Wt.: 6-3, 195 pounds | Class: Senior | Marquette
There are rumors of a promise for Kolek in the first round, and the Suns make sense for the established point guard who found ways to score at every level this season. He can come in right away and be the lead guard for the second unit with how well he reads the game and facilitates for others.
https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-mock-draft-80-zaccharie-risacher-takes-over-no-1-spot-plus-our-latest-intel-and-projections-for-every-pick-141517144.html
I would be happy with Kolek at #22. Good 3p shooter, very good passer and he is crafty finishing at the rim.
He reminds me physically to (but smaller) Luke Kennard and both are lefties with a similar shooting form.
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Saberestar wrote:Isaiah Collier
USC, Freshman
PHOENIX SUNS
There probably isn’t a better landing spot for Collier than the Suns, even though ending up here would necessitate falling in the draft. Collier’s downhill attacking ability would flourish alongside Phoenix’s spacing.
Dynamic point guard built like a tank with the ability to control the game.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/
That's more like it. Enough center talk. The ball finds energy - and last year, the ball was damn lost. Give me a PG with jets.
If the Suns took Kolek over a guy like this I'd be pissed!
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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Saberestar wrote:Isaiah Collier
USC, Freshman
PHOENIX SUNS
There probably isn’t a better landing spot for Collier than the Suns, even though ending up here would necessitate falling in the draft. Collier’s downhill attacking ability would flourish alongside Phoenix’s spacing.
Dynamic point guard built like a tank with the ability to control the game.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/
That's more like it. Enough center talk. The ball finds energy - and last year, the ball was damn lost. Give me a PG with jets.
If the Suns took Kolek over a guy like this I'd be pissed!
Please. There is much better draftable guards on USC than Collier. Who is his dad even?
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No thanks on Collier reading that expanded scouting report on Ringer. They have Kolek going at 18. If Kolek has a promise though, I can't imagine it's us, if Ish is bragging to fans about how we have a 2 more tradable firsts on draft night.
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Saberestar wrote:
Didn't think Collier would drop to the early 20's. Remember liking him earlier but forgot about him soon after because he looked like a for sure lotto guy.
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lilfishi22 wrote:Saberestar wrote:
Didn't think Collier would drop to the early 20's. Remember liking him earlier but forgot about him soon after because he looked like a for sure lotto guy.
Collier has seemed like the one guy mocked to “high”…. There is going to be some surprising picks before us and a player or two will be there that is unexpected…. Hopefully if someone like collier it gives us an opportunity to trade down for additional assets
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I know it's crazy talk but the Suns should let Grand Canyon University's Tyon Grant-Foster work out in looks at undrafted free-agents later.
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Fo-Real wrote:I know it's crazy talk but the Suns should let Grand Canyon University's Tyon Grant-Foster work out in looks at undrafted free agents later.
He's also Ish's cousin too!
But then that's perhaps why they aren't really showing interest. Because they're not bringing Ish back, and maybe also Foster's past cardiac scare that has driven off a lot of NBA teams/ scouts?

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:Fo-Real wrote:I know it's crazy talk but the Suns should let Grand Canyon University's Tyon Grant-Foster work out in looks at undrafted free agents later.
He's also Ish's cousin too!![]()
But then that's perhaps why they aren't really showing interest. Because they're not bringing Ish back, and maybe also Foster's past cardiac scare that has driven off a lot of NBA teams/ scouts?
Cardiac scare? please, that is not a concern for someone so young. Who is his dad though?
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https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-auburns-jaylin-williams
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jaylin-williams-is-a-sleeper-agentfor
Jaylin Williams (Auburn) isn't a bad consideration for the undrafted ranges. Although he's somewhat undersized at 6'8 to rally be playing power forward, He's burly and tough and versatile with solid athleticism and physicality. He'd be a decent two way or exhibit 10 project to bring in for our G league development. Overall, he's a mix of David West, and a smaller Sheldon Williams?
Ideally you take him on a two way or exhibit 10 and develop him hoping he can become a slightly bigger, stronger version of what we had with Jae Crowder as that'd be his ceiling outcome. But overall, he's a very solid, versatile forward that would be a value option as long as it's not at the expense of a first or early-mid 2nd.
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jaylin-williams-is-a-sleeper-agentfor
Jaylin Williams
Forward | Auburn
Height: 6’8” | Weight: 230 lbs
2024 Draft Age: 23.91
Prospect Profile
A former top 100 recruit, Williams has experienced an interesting college career. After a breakout sophomore campaign, he saw a reduced role as a junior off the bench. However, he had another resurgence last season as a senior in what was a a career year. As a starter in year four, he averaged a career-best 11.4 points per game, 4.7 rebounds and 2.2 assists while shooting 35.4% from deep. The ability to stay composed throughout the ups and downs over the past few years is impressive and Williams' improvement is overall positive.
A 6-foot-8 with the ability to do a bit of everything, he projects to be a quality role player at the next level. While at Auburn, Williams has played alongside numerous NBA talents. He’s filled multiple roles and has showcased versatility and the ability to adapt to what the team needs. His skillset and ability to slot into many different types of lineups makes him an easier fit on nearly any team relative to other second-round talents.
There’s no guarantee he’s selected in the 2024 NBA Draft, but Williams does have what it takes to make it in the league. He's the type of prospect that will need to have a great pre-draft process meeting and working out with teams.
Draft Projection
Potential Second-Round Pick in 2024 NBA Draft.
Jaylin Williams (Auburn) isn't a bad consideration for the undrafted ranges. Although he's somewhat undersized at 6'8 to rally be playing power forward, He's burly and tough and versatile with solid athleticism and physicality. He'd be a decent two way or exhibit 10 project to bring in for our G league development. Overall, he's a mix of David West, and a smaller Sheldon Williams?
Spoiler:
Ideally you take him on a two way or exhibit 10 and develop him hoping he can become a slightly bigger, stronger version of what we had with Jae Crowder as that'd be his ceiling outcome. But overall, he's a very solid, versatile forward that would be a value option as long as it's not at the expense of a first or early-mid 2nd.

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Stix wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:Fo-Real wrote:I know it's crazy talk but the Suns should let Grand Canyon University's Tyon Grant-Foster work out in looks at undrafted free agents later.
He's also Ish's cousin too!![]()
But then that's perhaps why they aren't really showing interest. Because they're not bringing Ish back, and maybe also Foster's past cardiac scare that has driven off a lot of NBA teams/ scouts?
Cardiac scare? please, that is not a concern for someone so young. Who is his dad though?
His parents are Talisha and Willie Foster and neither really played basketball and both are just your average everyday parents pretty much. But Fosters' cardiac issues we're so scary to many because he nearly died on the court and had to be resuscitated 3 teams just to save his life. Those are the concerns with him mostly. But he does have a smooth game, good athleticism, and solid mobility/ switchable defense and could maybe be a low end budget version of Andrew Wiggins if his health holds?

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:Stix wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
He's also Ish's cousin too!![]()
But then that's perhaps why they aren't really showing interest. Because they're not bringing Ish back, and maybe also Foster's past cardiac scare that has driven off a lot of NBA teams/ scouts?
Cardiac scare? please, that is not a concern for someone so young. Who is his dad though?
His parents are Talisha and Willie Foster and neither really played basketball and both are just your average everyday parents pretty much. But Fosters' cardiac issues we're so scary to many because he nearly died on the court and had to be resuscitated 3 teams just to save his life. Those are the concerns with him mostly. But he does have a smooth game, good athleticism, and solid mobility/ switchable defense and could maybe be a low end budget version of Andrew Wiggins if his health holds?
Reminds me of that one kid that got "drafted" by the NBA, but he had health issues or something.
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-auburns-jaylin-williams
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jaylin-williams-is-a-sleeper-agentforJaylin Williams
Forward | Auburn
Height: 6’8” | Weight: 230 lbs
2024 Draft Age: 23.91
Prospect Profile
A former top 100 recruit, Williams has experienced an interesting college career. After a breakout sophomore campaign, he saw a reduced role as a junior off the bench. However, he had another resurgence last season as a senior in what was a a career year. As a starter in year four, he averaged a career-best 11.4 points per game, 4.7 rebounds and 2.2 assists while shooting 35.4% from deep. The ability to stay composed throughout the ups and downs over the past few years is impressive and Williams' improvement is overall positive.
A 6-foot-8 with the ability to do a bit of everything, he projects to be a quality role player at the next level. While at Auburn, Williams has played alongside numerous NBA talents. He’s filled multiple roles and has showcased versatility and the ability to adapt to what the team needs. His skillset and ability to slot into many different types of lineups makes him an easier fit on nearly any team relative to other second-round talents.
There’s no guarantee he’s selected in the 2024 NBA Draft, but Williams does have what it takes to make it in the league. He's the type of prospect that will need to have a great pre-draft process meeting and working out with teams.
Draft Projection
Potential Second-Round Pick in 2024 NBA Draft.
Jaylin Williams (Auburn) isn't a bad consideration for the undrafted ranges. Although he's somewhat undersized at 6'8 to rally be playing power forward, He's burly and tough and versatile with solid athleticism and physicality. He'd be a decent two way or exhibit 10 project to bring in for our G league development. Overall, he's a mix of David West, and a smaller Sheldon Williams?Spoiler:
Ideally you take him on a two way or exhibit 10 and develop him hoping he can become a slightly bigger, stronger version of what we had with Jae Crowder as that'd be his ceiling outcome. But overall, he's a very solid, versatile forward that would be a value option as long as it's not at the expense of a first or early-mid 2nd.
Damn, how many Jaylin/Jaylen/Jalen WIlliams will there be in the league??








