All things Anfernee Simons

[Residual-Heat]

There's no way, no how I'm giving up two firsts for Simons when I can sign Monk for less than Simons makes *and* still have those picks in my back pocket for a different trade.

and I agree with this, I want the Magic to just sign Monk. Im just saying in a scenario where the FO LOVES Simons and really wants him on the Magic over Monk, this would be my max offer.

[BadMofoPimp]

I’m pretty confident Jett Howard will have an offense that can compete with Simons or Monk in the near future. He’ll need minutes and touches to get there though, so I’m hoping he gets factored in this season.

I don't really understand where you get this confidence, but I hope you're right. Same goes for AB.

Exactly, he was like the 3rd best player on a G-League team. He just may just become the definition of bust.

[Rainwater]

I feel like people just like Monk because he is attainable. Dude is a major risk. He has never been a led option on the perimeter for any team he has played on. Even the team he plays for won’t resign him as a led option. Yet many people want him to have the role in Orlando. You might have a Poole/wizard issue if the experiment doesn’t work.

[Rainwater]

I’m pretty confident Jett Howard will have an offense that can compete with Simons or Monk in the near future. He’ll need minutes and touches to get there though, so I’m hoping he gets factored in this season.

I don't really understand where you get this confidence, but I hope you're right. Same goes for AB.

Yeah, I don’t see it either. Howard has never had the handles that Simons or Monk has and has never been the creator either. Howard has mostly been used as a spot up shooter even in college. The scoring ability that Simons is something you have coming in.

[Skybox]

I feel like people just like Monk because he is attainable. Dude is a major risk. He has never been a led option on the perimeter for any team he has played on. Even the team he plays for won’t resign him as a led option. Yet many people want him to have the role in Orlando. You might have a Poole/wizard issue if the experiment doesn’t work.

I'd be excited to get Monk...but I have the same reservations, especially vs guys like Murray and Simons that have been doing it for years.

[Residual-Heat]

As I said before I dont mind getting Simons for the right price, but keep in mind he became a full time starter 2 years ago. Since then, his team has won an average of 27 games, he doesn't bother to play defense, and sat out 56 games in 2 seasons.

[tiderulz]

I feel like people just like Monk because he is attainable. Dude is a major risk. He has never been a led option on the perimeter for any team he has played on. Even the team he plays for won’t resign him as a led option. Yet many people want him to have the role in Orlando. You might have a Poole/wizard issue if the experiment doesn’t work.

I'd be excited to get Monk...but I have the same reservations, especially vs guys like Murray and Simons that have been doing it for years.

Monk never played more than 28 mpg. there is hope he can be a reliable starter, but he is more up and down than Simons is. And who knows what it takes to get Monk to leave Sacramento and his buddy Fox

[tiderulz]

As I said before I dont mind getting Simons for the right price, but keep in mind he became a full time starter 2 years ago. Since then, his team has won an average of 27 games, he doesn't bother to play defense, and sat out 56 games in 2 seasons.

a team without its superstar (and the money that would be with used on other players) and also decimated by injuries. Im not putting all those losses on him. also took him a little to become a starter as he was behind CJ and was a very young draft pick.

[CocoaFan]

Looking at Monk, Murray and Simons as our primary targets I think Monk presents the least amount of risk. I think Murray checks the most boxes and would be the ideal pickup but seems very immature for a veteran player based on tweets, interviews, Paolo situation, etc. and has the potential to disrupt the chemistry we've developed under Mose. Atlanta is a s--t show because he and Trae don't get along. If you read threads on Portland board they don't view Simons very highly and think his athleticism doesn't translate because of his weak physical stature. You could end up with a slightly better version of Cole. Reading articles and player and fan comments on Monk teammates speak highly of him and view him as a vocal leader on the team that gets them going when they're down. He has dawg in him. That being the case you would think his defense will improve playing with better defenders. Fans fear he's going to leave. Worst case with Monk you'll have a slightly overpaid 6th man of the year candidate that you didn't give up assets for.

[Residual-Heat]

As I said before I dont mind getting Simons for the right price, but keep in mind he became a full time starter 2 years ago. Since then, his team has won an average of 27 games, he doesn't bother to play defense, and sat out 56 games in 2 seasons.

a team without its superstar (and the money that would be with used on other players) and also decimated by injuries. Im not putting all those losses on him. also took him a little to become a starter as he was behind CJ and was a very young draft pick.

Im not blaming all the losses on him but if we're going to give him credit for being a "starter" lets look at the full picture.

Im not sure Simons would start on most winning teams. You could say the same for Monk though.

[tiderulz]

As I said before I dont mind getting Simons for the right price, but keep in mind he became a full time starter 2 years ago. Since then, his team has won an average of 27 games, he doesn't bother to play defense, and sat out 56 games in 2 seasons.

a team without its superstar (and the money that would be with used on other players) and also decimated by injuries. Im not putting all those losses on him. also took him a little to become a starter as he was behind CJ and was a very young draft pick.

Im not blaming all the losses on him but if we're going to give him credit for being a "starter" lets look at the full picture.

Im not sure Simons would start on most winning teams. You could say the same for Monk though.

his elite shooting to me could have him on quite a few winning teams.

[Rainwater]

Looking at Monk, Murray and Simons as our primary targets I think Monk presents the least amount of risk. I think Murray checks the most boxes and would be the ideal pickup but seems very immature for a veteran player based on tweets, interviews, Paolo situation, etc. and has the potential to disrupt the chemistry we've developed under Mose. Atlanta is a s--t show because he and Trae don't get along. If you read threads on Portland board they don't view Simons very highly and think his athleticism doesn't translate because of his weak physical stature. You could end up with a slightly better version of Cole. Reading articles and player and fan comments on Monk teammates speak highly of him and view him as a vocal leader on the team that gets them going when they're down. He has dawg in him. That being the case you would think his defense will improve playing with better defenders. Fans fear he's going to leave. Worst case with Monk you'll have a slightly overpaid 6th man of the year candidate that you didn't give up assets for.

Monk is the riskiest of the three and I don’t think it’s close. People are hoping that Monk can accomplish things that Simons and Murray have already done. Simons and Murray (on multiple teams) have been lead guys on the perimeter while Monk has never been. If monk fails after signing him and just becomes a 6th man for the magic that would be disastrous since the magic need a starting guard on the perimeter badly and they won’t have cap space like this for a while.

And why do you keep saying that Portland fans hate Simons, I would say a majority fans love the guy. He literally was their best player last year. And Murray and Trae were literally on a podcast together talking about how the media fabricated their beef. Trae was even the one who advocated for the trade of Murray.

[Rainwater]

As I said before I dont mind getting Simons for the right price, but keep in mind he became a full time starter 2 years ago. Since then, his team has won an average of 27 games, he doesn't bother to play defense, and sat out 56 games in 2 seasons.

I can agree on the defense and him being injury prone but I can’t blame a single player for being the reason why a team loses games. And his team losing is not indicative of the impact he can bring to another team if traded.

[zaymon]

As I said before I dont mind getting Simons for the right price, but keep in mind he became a full time starter 2 years ago. Since then, his team has won an average of 27 games, he doesn't bother to play defense, and sat out 56 games in 2 seasons.

I can agree on the defense and him being injury prone but I can’t blame a single player for being the reason why a team loses games. And his team losing is not indicative of the impact he can bring to another team if traded.

He is 6'3 with slight frame. Even if he had good awareness he would be slight negative at best and he doesnt have good awareness. I would not trade Black or Howard for him straight up just for the contract reasons.

[Rainwater]

As I said before I dont mind getting Simons for the right price, but keep in mind he became a full time starter 2 years ago. Since then, his team has won an average of 27 games, he doesn't bother to play defense, and sat out 56 games in 2 seasons.

I can agree on the defense and him being injury prone but I can’t blame a single player for being the reason why a team loses games. And his team losing is not indicative of the impact he can bring to another team if traded.

He is 6'3 with slight frame. Even if he had good awareness he would be slight negative at best and he doesnt have good awareness. I would not trade Black or Howard for him straight up just for the contract reasons.

I completely disagree. Despite his poor defense Simons is exactly what this team needs. If it means giving up both Black and Howard I would do it in a heartbeat. These guys barely play as it is and I don’t think neither will be as good as good as Simons. I see both as role players to be honest.

[Catledge]

I’m pretty confident Jett Howard will have an offense that can compete with Simons or Monk in the near future. He’ll need minutes and touches to get there though, so I’m hoping he gets factored in this season.

I don't really understand where you get this confidence, but I hope you're right. Same goes for AB.

Yeah, I don’t see it either. Howard has never had the handles that Simons or Monk has and has never been the creator either. Howard has mostly been used as a spot up shooter even in college. The scoring ability that Simons is something you have coming in.

It's just very uncommon for a player to make the leaps being expected by some. It's not impossible, but I don't see what reasons people have for expecting the uncommon outcome in this situation.

[Knightro]

Monk is the riskiest of the three and I don’t think it’s close. People are hoping that Monk can accomplish things that Simons and Murray have already done. Simons and Murray (on multiple teams) have been led guys on the perimeter while Monk has never been. If monk fails after signing him and just becomes a 6th man for the magic that would be disastrous since the magic need a starting guard on the perimeter badly and they won’t have cap space like this for a while.

And why do you keep saying that Portland fans hate Simons, I would say a majority fans love the guy. He literally was their best player last year. And Murray and Trae were literally on a podcast together talking about how the media fabricated their beef. Trae was even the one who advocated for the trade of Murray.

I can buy that Monk is the riskiest of the three in terms of on-court production, but I really feel you have to factor in the fact that Monk would only cost cap space, whereas Simons and Murray would cost trade assets *and* more in salary over the next four years.

What's a better long-term outlook?

Monk + All available trade assets + maximum cap flexibility over the next 4 years

or

Simons/Murray - several trade assets - maximum cap flexibility over the next 4 years

[Audi]

Monk is the riskiest of the three and I don’t think it’s close. People are hoping that Monk can accomplish things that Simons and Murray have already done. Simons and Murray (on multiple teams) have been led guys on the perimeter while Monk has never been. If monk fails after signing him and just becomes a 6th man for the magic that would be disastrous since the magic need a starting guard on the perimeter badly and they won’t have cap space like this for a while.

And why do you keep saying that Portland fans hate Simons, I would say a majority fans love the guy. He literally was their best player last year. And Murray and Trae were literally on a podcast together talking about how the media fabricated their beef. Trae was even the one who advocated for the trade of Murray.

I can buy that Monk is the riskiest of the three in terms of on-court production, but I really feel you have to factor in the fact that Monk would only cost cap space, whereas Simons and Murray would cost trade assets *and* more in salary over the next four years.

What's a better long-term outlook?

Monk + All available trade assets + maximum cap flexibility over the next 4 years

or

Simons/Murray - several trade assets - maximum cap flexibility over the next 4 years

I’m under the impression that saving all these assets for a hypothetical trade down the road is not optimal because guys like Franz and Suggs, maybe even Paolo by then will be eating up significant cap?

[Knightro]

I’m under the impression that saving all these assets for a hypothetical trade down the road is not optimal because guys like Franz and Suggs, maybe even Paolo by then will be eating up significant cap?

There's nothing that says the Magic absolutely have to trade for high priced players down the road though. They could use their assets to acquire medium priced players or even low priced ones depending on who becomes available.

[RichCollab]

Monk is the riskiest? That seems a bit absurd.

Can move to the bench as 6 man and doesn’t cost us assets.

Won’t be as big of hit salary wise.