Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[aggo]

Not sure why people are trying to make it a DSJ vs Deuce thing when the people that want DSJ want him paired with Deuce. not surprised those folks that are making that false narrative were frank fans. Still insecure about the fact that DSJ is much better than frank eh

Ppl here don’t know ball if they think McBride is a backup pg

Meanwhile you have been dead wrong about Deuce so far. He will just continue to prove you wrong

Dead wrong about what?

I’ve only ever said his best position is SG or off ball c+s 3.


He’s not a pg. can’t initiate offense

[DOT]

Frank still living rent free in peoples' heads lol

Talk about insecurity

I actually wanted to draft DSJ over Frank.
They both ended up as busts. I don't even know why it came up

No matter which we drafted it wouldn't've mattered, especially since D Mitch ended up being a star

I guess the fact DSJ developed into a backup quality player is enough of a win to celebrate for some people

I think what it is is factionalism, dudes want to divide the fanbase into the "good" fans and the "bad" fans, where all the "good" fans like the players they like and hate the players they hate and vice versa

Some people just can't handle being wrong about prospects, even though everybody's wrong about most prospects.

[3toheadmelo]

Living rent free in DOTs head. He's always sending weak subs when he's mad. Then again can't take him seriously when he only started watching ball like 4 years ago. Lmaoo

[3toheadmelo]

Not sure why people are trying to make it a DSJ vs Deuce thing when the people that want DSJ want him paired with Deuce. not surprised those folks that are making that false narrative were frank fans. Still insecure about the fact that DSJ is much better than frank eh

Someone with more size who is a better scorer/shooter would be a better fit over DSJ. He’s not a bad backup pg just wouldn’t be a priority since we have limited assets.

Not sure what assets have to do with this since DSJ is a free agent tho. I'm sure we can scoop him on a 1-2 year deal for pretty cheap. No one is saying DSJ is a savior or anything but it would be nice to have a bench defensive backcourt of him and Deuce. Would also allow Deuce to thrive in a 3 and D role.

Plus he got the Ron artest stamp on defense. Gotta acknowledge that deez!!!

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Ppl here don’t know ball if they think McBride is a backup pg

Meanwhile you have been dead wrong about Deuce so far. He will just continue to prove you wrong

Dead wrong about what?

I’ve only ever said his best position is SG or off ball c+s 3.


He’s not a pg. can’t initiate offense

You were pounding the table saying he would get benched which never happened.

I understand what you're saying, but it was his first year and he will get better. The bigger issue is we were missing our #2 scorer and other players like Bogey, OG, etc. Of course things fell apart when Brunson sat because the drop off to our 2nd best player was so drastic. Every other team staggers in a #2 or #3 player, but ours were hurt.

Someone like DSJ would not help this at all. Hes not carrying an offense. We need a legit scorer which can really be any position, and we actually have... Just too many injuries.

But Deuce did a good job and played really well all things considered. When we are healthy we will have Deuce, Hart, Bogey, Mitch off the bench which should be a really good unit... Especially when we stagger in Randle, OG, or Brunson.

[Capn'O]

Mikal's defense has suffered because he's been asked to be a first option and he's not a first option.

They stopped using him as a 1st option for a while now and his defense is still very bad

Guys don't just forget how to play defense. Even LeBron can still lock down for possessions. Get him in the right role again and he'll be back to his defensive minded efficient self. I'm not even saying us.

[3toheadmelo]

And to be fair Deuce got torched in the whole Pacers series. So it would be good to get a great defender like DSJ to help Deuce out on that end.

[DOT]

I think the issue with DSJ would just be size, like we'd have such a small backcourt

Brunson/DSJ
DDV/McBride

That's not bad in terms of talent, but I think you do need more positional flexibility, especially with Brunson/DDV as the starters. But that's the issue, you need someone with the size of a 2/3 and the ball handling of a PG (cause Deuce isn't really a PG, someone who can break down the defense).

[3toheadmelo]

Mikal's defense has suffered because he's been asked to be a first option and he's not a first option.

They stopped using him as a 1st option for a while now and his defense is still very bad

Guys don't just forget how to play defense. Even LeBron can still lock down for possessions. Get him in the right role again and he'll be back to his defensive minded efficient self. I'm not even saying us.

I need someone to answer this though.

Who has Mikal ever locked up in the playoffs? I seen him get torched by Ingram and Luka while he was on the Suns.

There's actually a article about his defense falling off a cliff in the playoffs.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/08/15/mikal-bridges-phoenix-suns-defense/

[KnixinSix]

I don’t mind Ingram, but would he start at like SG here?

He's mainly a 3 /4 . Even if we kept Randle it probably would look something like this

Minutes distribution

IHart(32)/ Achiwa (12)/ OG (4)
Randle (33)/ Ingram (10) / OG (5)
Ingram (22)/ OG (20) / Hart (6)
DDV (25)/Hart(20)/ OG (5)
Brunson (35)/ Alvarado (13)

Bottomline there is enough minutes to go around for the top scorers

It doesn’t make sense. Go after Bridges.

Spree I hear you and most definitely agree Bridges the better fitting option of the 2. However I couldn't stand here and say we would not be a significantly better and deeper quality scoring team with the roster construction above either.

Secondly it gives us some leeway to trade Randle at the deadline for a greater piece in case it isn't working out by the deadline.

Bottomline this is far from my Plan A but short of other options working out , I think this move definitely improves the team.

[Capn'O]

They stopped using him as a 1st option for a while now and his defense is still very bad

Guys don't just forget how to play defense. Even LeBron can still lock down for possessions. Get him in the right role again and he'll be back to his defensive minded efficient self. I'm not even saying us.

I need someone to answer this though.

Who has Mikal ever locked up in the playoffs? I seen him get torched by Ingram and Luka while he was on the Suns.

There's actually a article about his defense falling off a cliff in the playoffs.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/08/15/mikal-bridges-phoenix-suns-defense/

Those are the guys we have OG for. Mikal is better with shooting wings.

In any event, if the price is Randle+ it's a hard no from me.

[DOT]

Actually, I think ideally (if we're keeping Randle), Mikal would be the best target, start him at SG and slide DDV to the bench for extra offense, then Mikal has flexibility to play the 3 as well

The only thing is, firstly Brooklyn isn't trading him to us, secondly we need a plan for C cause if iHart and Precious are too expensive to keep, you need a starting caliber C (cause Mitch is gonna miss half the season with injuries and even when he's healthy he's probably better off as a bench guy at this point in his career) as well as a big wing that can slide down to 4 and play defense and shoot (meaning someone to backup OG cause he's injured too). I don't know if those'd be available, but I'd keep the two picks this year and try to fill those roles in the draft to cheapen up the rotation

Also selfishly cause I want to have some young guys we drafted to root for to develop. I think win now vs development is a false dichotomy, you can develop players while winning imo so long as you aren't asking the developees to be stars right away like on a rebuilding team.

[KnixinSix]

Can we please shoot down all Donte trade talks... this guy is 3rd in 3pt FGs just behind Steph and Luka, do you know how lethal it is to have a shooting weapon like that, it's not just the makes but how he shoots it, teams would kill to have a top 3 3pt shooter on their roster, opponents facing us see he's 3rd in 3pt makes, there's an undeniable gravity to that. You don't trade him, and "just find someone else to replace his shooting". I said again and again, he makes our offense special, the way OG makes our defense special.

Actually 3 things that make our offense special:
- Donte's shooting
- JB's brilliance
- Julius' physicality (I'm now in keep Ju camp, hard to find someone as physical as Ju on offense)

These are the three elements that synergistically work with each other, teams have to specifically gameplan to stop/ contain them. Have these 3 we are unstoppable, take one out and we're beatable.

Furthermore, Donte is improving not only as a shooter but as a scorer, slasher, better finisher in the paint. He's disruptive defensively and may grow to even become a better defender. Also, already clutch in playoffs and biggest stage, what more do you want?

Donte is almost definitely not getting traded.....

-He shoots the 3 extremely well
-Him being a Brunson close friend and Nova buddy definitely played a big role here signing him in the 1st place
- He is on a good contract

The guys who are much more likely to get traded are McBride, Mitch Rob (esp if we sign I Hart), Bogs of course, Achiuwa and maybe even Randle if it is for an absolute superstar player.

[louisorr]

Plan is still Donovan. I mean it's been the plan the whole time right?
Especially with Luka /Krie and Tatum/Brown reminding us that two 1a guys with some positional overlap isn't such a big problem after all.

[Capn'O]

Speaking of Jersey, Trendon Watford is a guy we should target with our exceptions if we have any.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Not sure why people are trying to make it a DSJ vs Deuce thing when the people that want DSJ want him paired with Deuce. not surprised those folks that are making that false narrative were frank fans. Still insecure about the fact that DSJ is much better than frank eh

Someone with more size who is a better scorer/shooter would be a better fit over DSJ. He’s not a bad backup pg just wouldn’t be a priority since we have limited assets.

Not sure what assets have to do with this since DSJ is a free agent tho. I'm sure we can scoop him on a 1-2 year deal for pretty cheap. No one is saying DSJ is a savior or anything but it would be nice to have a bench defensive backcourt of him and Deuce. Would also allow Deuce to thrive in a 3 and D role.

Plus he got the Ron artest stamp on defense. Gotta acknowledge that deez!!!

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I would just let Deuce develop and get better as our backup PG. It was basically his first year getting consistent playing time. He improved a ton.

Otherwise, Deuce, DSJ, Brunson, Hart, Donte... That's 5 guys 6'4" and under. We would be better off bringing in a wing especially for OG insurance.

As it stands now Mitch, Bogey, Hart, Deuce is our bench.
Hart is going to get a ton of minutes off the bench and compliments Deuce since he can handle and facilitate too. Bogey can score. I dont see any minutes or need for DSJ unless he's replacing Deuce. And Deuce just had a better season then DSJ in basically his first year. Really doesn't make sense unless DSJ is an 11th man out of the rotation

[8516knicks]

They stopped using him as a 1st option for a while now and his defense is still very bad

Guys don't just forget how to play defense. Even LeBron can still lock down for possessions. Get him in the right role again and he'll be back to his defensive minded efficient self. I'm not even saying us.

I need someone to answer this though.

Who has Mikal ever locked up in the playoffs? I seen him get torched by Ingram and Luka while he was on the Suns.

There's actually a article about his defense falling off a cliff in the playoffs.

"Torched by Luka..." Youre the kind of guy who would have said Wilt torched Russell if this was the 60s. I wonder, has Luka ever "torched" anyone else in his miserable NBA career? Never mind marvelous Brandon Ingram who is about to lead his Pelicans to the NBA title.

[KnixinSix]

Guys don't just forget how to play defense. Even LeBron can still lock down for possessions. Get him in the right role again and he'll be back to his defensive minded efficient self. I'm not even saying us.

I need someone to answer this though.

Who has Mikal ever locked up in the playoffs? I seen him get torched by Ingram and Luka while he was on the Suns.

There's actually a article about his defense falling off a cliff in the playoffs.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/08/15/mikal-bridges-phoenix-suns-defense/

Those are the guys we have OG for. Mikal is better with shooting wings.

In any event, if the price is Randle+ it's a hard no from me.

Small sample size and you never know if/when a guy is playing hurt just how much is it effecting their game (just mentioning this as a variable that sometimes must be accounted for), also defensive system plays a role too.

Bottom line I Have a hard time believing that a healthy bridges wouldn't be a significantly strong defensive player in thibs system with all his nova buddies around him.

[aggo]

Meanwhile you have been dead wrong about Deuce so far. He will just continue to prove you wrong

Dead wrong about what?

I’ve only ever said his best position is SG or off ball c+s 3.


He’s not a pg. can’t initiate offense

You were pounding the table saying he would get benched which never happened.

I understand what you're saying, but it was his first year and he will get better. The bigger issue is we were missing our #2 scorer and other players like Bogey, OG, etc. Of course things fell apart when Brunson sat because the drop off to our 2nd best player was so drastic. Every other team staggers in a #2 or #3 player, but ours were hurt.

Someone like DSJ would not help this at all. Hes not carrying an offense. We need a legit scorer which can really be any position, and we actually have... Just too many injuries.

But Deuce did a good job and played really well all things considered. When we are healthy we will have Deuce, Hart, Bogey, Mitch off the bench which should be a really good unit... Especially when we stagger in Randle, OG, or Brunson.

uh


I dont ever remember saying that.



but dsjs job isn't to carry any offense.


it's literally to dribble the ball, which he is competent at. Mcbride couldn't even bring up the ball in the playoffs vs full court, forcing Thibs multiple times to early sub in brunson with timeouts.



mcbride isn't a pg no matter how badly u want him to be

[Deeeez Knicks]

Dead wrong about what?

I’ve only ever said his best position is SG or off ball c+s 3.


He’s not a pg. can’t initiate offense

You were pounding the table saying he would get benched which never happened.

I understand what you're saying, but it was his first year and he will get better. The bigger issue is we were missing our #2 scorer and other players like Bogey, OG, etc. Of course things fell apart when Brunson sat because the drop off to our 2nd best player was so drastic. Every other team staggers in a #2 or #3 player, but ours were hurt.

Someone like DSJ would not help this at all. Hes not carrying an offense. We need a legit scorer which can really be any position, and we actually have... Just too many injuries.

But Deuce did a good job and played really well all things considered. When we are healthy we will have Deuce, Hart, Bogey, Mitch off the bench which should be a really good unit... Especially when we stagger in Randle, OG, or Brunson.

uh


I dont ever remember saying that.



but dsjs job isn't to carry any offense.


it's literally to dribble the ball, which he is competent at. Mcbride couldn't even bring up the ball in the playoffs vs full court, forcing Thibs multiple times to early sub in brunson with timeouts.



mcbride isn't a pg no matter how badly u want him to be

It took DSJ awhile to get to this point. He struggled mightily as a younger player and turned the ball over a lot before improving just to where he's at.... Which is a backup who isn't as good as Deuce.

With Deuce, he's still learning and getting better. He has already improved a ton. One good thing is he avg's a low amount of turnovers and generally takes care of the ball and moves the ball well. His assists are low too but a better then 3-1 assist to TO ratio is very good. But def needs to keep getting better.

As long as he's playing with guys like Hart, Bogey, Randle that can help take some of the scoring/facilitating load he'll be fine as our backup PG....And that is really true for most backup pgs in the league.

So what I'm saying is that NBA pgs need seasoning and development. And with time Deuce can def get there to be at least backup level PG play, while bringing a lot of other things to the table at a high level. So I would disagree about trying to stunt that development but bringing in players who aren't even as good as him to take his role