2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[grant101]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

If you're actually open to hearing the case for Collier, I'd recommend watching a few of his later games and checking out his segment on the latest upside swings podcast (the hosts all know ball)

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In sum, he's a very good athlete (think Luka and James Harden not Jalen Green - great first step, change of pace, deceleration) able to regularly create paint touches without screens, finish at rim at a really good rate, drew fouls at an elite rate and did so on a disaster of a team with horrible spacing. He has outlier strength, vision and creativity. His defence when plugged in is also really impressive (again, USC was a mess, so it's not all on him)

Also, for all the stressing about his jump shot, he shot a better percentage on much tougher looks than some of the other creator prospects mocked ahead of him (e.g. Topic).

He is one of the very few players in this draft with a chance to be a star offensive hub.

[Psubs]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

Because he was projected that way as a high schooler, and draft nerds can’t wrap their minds around being wrong. It’s also seen as a “weak” draft so a 5 star prospect should technically be a lottery pick. I don’t think he should be as polarizing as he is, he can be solid in the NBA, but he needs a lot of time in the gym.

I think he's like this year's Scoot.

[grant101]

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[disoblige]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

[CazOnReal]

My big problems with Collier are his defense (It's really bad) and his outside shooting (Also bad and his FT% was really bad for a guard).
Beyond that, i'm very much of the mind that we need more size at the wings than we do in our PG rotation, and the lack of a backup PG pales in comparison to the depth at the forward/center positions.

[disoblige]

With Scottie on the team, Barrett and Quickley share the scoring duties. Personally, I would prefer to add a defensive player from this draft or through free agency.

[ArthurVandelay]

If Beekman goes undrafted I expect to see him signed by Raptors

He screams Raptor PG signing to me

[grant101]

My big problems with Collier are his defense (It's really bad) and his outside shooting (Also bad and his FT% was really bad for a guard).
Beyond that, i'm very much of the mind that we need more size at the wings than we do in our PG rotation, and the lack of a backup PG pales in comparison to the depth at the forward/center positions.

USC was a horrible context to evaluate his defence. Players weren't held accountable and their tendency to revert to zone was weird. Even then, he had some really impressive defensive flashes. Collier absolutely has a chance to be a really good defender - great hands, strong, good lateral mover.

His shooting can definitely stand to improve, but it's not as bad as folks make it out to be, especially given the fact that most of his shots are self-created. Also, the free throw shooting could be better, but ppl are too quick to discount how elite he is at getting to the line in the first place. Fox had the same issues at Kentucky. Everything you mentioned are things you can develop.

[Thaddy]

Collier and Topic look like busts to me. The poor FT% from Collier and the lack of athleticism from Topic.

The safe choice will end up being a shooter with good size and athleticism. I would be very happy with Tyson and Smith at 19 & 31. I feel they would be contributors and push us towards being a play in team.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I'd say that's the problem with Collier precisely, he's cut from the same cloth as guys like Derozan, Dejounte Murray, etc..

He will not get you past the 2nd round of the playoffs when you give him the keys to the gym. If you're drafting him because you have some kind of plan to sell him high before the end of his rookie deal to a dumb team then I can support that draft ideology.

Otherwise in terms of the risk factor that he never understands how to become a winning player considering he is going to be a high USG floor general I'm fine with him going late teens but the question is do you really want him in your organization in the first place. This is not some kid who is going to have an out as a low USG off-ball guy. He either has what it takes to outsmart and outskill opponents or he doesn't.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

And when it comes to Topic vs. Collier Topic wins in age, production, dimensions, feel and a number of other categories.

[dohboy_24]

Tier 1: Alex Sarr, Donovan Clingan, Stephon Castle, Zaccharie Risacher, Reed Sheppard, Rob Dillingham, Nikola Topic, Ron Holland, Matas Buzelis

Among these nine (9) players, previous draft history suggests at least one of them will likely fall outside the top 10.

Tier 2: Dalton Knecht, Cody Williams, Jared McCain, Tidjane Salaun, Devin Carter, Isaiah Collier

Among these six (6) players, previous draft history suggests at least one of them will likely fall outside the lottery (#14).

Tier 3: Ja'Kobe Walter, Kyle Filipowski, Tyler Smith, Kel'el Ware, Yves Missi, Zach Edey, Johnny Furphy, Kyshawn George, Bub Carrington, Bobi Klintman

Among these ten (10) players, previous draft history suggests at least two (2) of them will fall outside the top 20 picks and/or at least one of them will rise up to be selected in the lottery.

Tier 4: Tristan DaSilva, Terrence Shannon Jr, DaRon Holmes II, PJ Hall, Dillon Jones, Tyler Kolek, Jaylon Tyson, Kevin McCullar, KJ Simpson, Baylor Scheierman, Jaylen Wells, Jaylen Bridges, Oso Igohardo, Harrison Ingram

Among these fourteen (14) players, previous draft history suggests at least one of them will be selected among the top 20 picks and at least nine (9) of them won't be selected among the first 30 picks in round one.

Tier 5: Ulrich Chomche, Jonathan Mbogo, Adem Bona, Pacome Dadiet, Cam Christie, AJ Johnson, Justin Edwards, Melvin Ajinca, Trey Alexander, Trentyn Flowers, Ryan Dunn, Nikola Djurisic, Izan Almansa, Juan Nunez

Among these fourteen (14) players, previous draft history suggests at least one of them will be selected in the first round and at least one of them will go undrafted.

Given our draft picks, we're probably going to be able to select one player from tier 2/3 and one player from tier 4/5 with an ideal scenario being two players from tier 3 or higher.

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[OAKLEY_2]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

He was a five star college recruit where everyone had huge expectations but as one and done we have only the tiniest body of work to judge him but for a guard he is hella athletic and built like a brick sht house. He is my number one target at 19 or if we are trading up. If we landed him it likely is another OG draft. OG took a lot of finetuning but he really improved in areas where where he was weak like ballhandling.

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[BoyzNTheHood]

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When was he scheduled to work out for us? Has he already?

[WuTang_CMB]

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When was he scheduled to work out for us? Has he already?

According to hoopshype, no.
Espn already reported this and guessed a Denver promise

[HangTime]

Who are your top 5, down the line, players from this draft? and top 5, why is he rated so high/ or low (relative to draft position) right now?

Top 5, down the line
1) Castle
2) Topic
3) Ware
4) Holland
5) AJ Johnson

Top 5, why is he rated so high/or low(relative to draft position) right now?
1) Clingan (high)
2) Filipowski (high)
3) AJ Johnson (low)
3) Bona (low)
4) Almansa (low)

[BoyzNTheHood]

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When was he scheduled to work out for us? Has he already?

According to hoopshype, no.
Espn already reported this and guessed a Denver promise

[Jerry Lucas]

Yeah I'm gonna be disappointed in many other teams if Denver ends up with that stud.