Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[GettinitDone]

Can we please shoot down all Donte trade talks... this guy is 3rd in 3pt FGs just behind Steph and Luka, do you know how lethal it is to have a shooting weapon like that, it's not just the makes but how he shoots it, teams would kill to have a top 3 3pt shooter on their roster, opponents facing us see he's 3rd in 3pt makes, there's an undeniable gravity to that. You don't trade him, and "just find someone else to replace his shooting". I said again and again, he makes our offense special, the way OG makes our defense special.

Actually 3 things that make our offense special:
- Donte's shooting
- JB's brilliance
- Julius' physicality (I'm now in keep Ju camp, hard to find someone as physical as Ju on offense)

These are the three elements that synergistically work with each other, teams have to specifically gameplan to stop/ contain them. Have these 3 we are unstoppable, take one out and we're beatable.

Furthermore, Donte is improving not only as a shooter but as a scorer, slasher, better finisher in the paint. He's disruptive defensively and may grow to even become a better defender. Also, already clutch in playoffs and biggest stage, what more do you want?

Donte is almost definitely not getting traded.....

-He shoots the 3 extremely well
-Him being a Brunson close friend and Nova buddy definitely played a big role here signing him in the 1st place
- He is on a good contract

The guys who are much more likely to get traded are McBride, Mitch Rob (esp if we sign I Hart), Bogs of course, Achiuwa and maybe even Randle if it is for an absolute superstar player.

I don't really like "we won't trade Hart or Divo because they're Nova Knicks" bs... I actually wish Divo and Hart had come from different colleges a and the 3 just became organically great buddies... imo the "Nova Knicks" thing is great FOR THEM, and not necessarily for other guys on the team, it has capacity of alienating and dividing the locker room, esp JB is the clear cut franchise player, everyone has to get along with him, but oh if you aren't from Nova you ain't in the "exclusive club". Though JB has been a great leader and a great teammate to everyone (not only to Hart and Divo), theres no escaping the thought "Hart and Divo are invincible, cuz they're Nova Knicks, and best buddies with the franchise guy" of course they get special treatment... duh.. !

This is why I actually cringe at the thought we should get Mikal "cuz he's the final Nova piece", not as much because he fills what we need. If we really get him, the Nova group only became bigger and stronger, again good FOR THEM, not necessarily for the team imo.

That said, I'm not for trading Hart or Divo at all, nor against trading for Mikal. Whatever is good for the team. But the Nova thing should be downplayed as much as possible imo, it makes it seem (although I believe it's not their intention) the Nova guys have their own agenda aside of the whole team's common agenda of winning a championship.

[KnixinSix]

Giannis is the guy you drop a bombshell offer for.

Randle, Mitch Rob, McBride (Lillard back up) and 4-5 FRPs. Nobody is touching that kind of offer. Milwaukee could actually still be pretty darn good with those players and Lillard next year.

You use Bogdanovic and picks for a point guard to back up Brunson.

Resign I Hart

Giannis probably would be the # 1 target for this FO

The Bucks fizzled and they look ripe for a rebuild.

It comes down to what he wants. If Giannis wants out, expect the Knicks to be his primary suitor.

Giannis is the only player I would expect a mega-trade for. I don't think there is anyone else of that magnitude who could be on the move. He definitely could force his way out of MIL.

I'm with you. And THIS is the move to make. Not Embiid, not KAT, not Booker ..... if there is any way that you can get Giannis has has to be clear cut plan A , CAA or not.

He's one of the best combinations of:

Young enough
Durable enough
Elite on both sides of the ball
Not too much diva factor
Great potential fit within roster construction (assuming Randle is traded)


After him it's a drop down to Booker, Bridges and Donovan Mitchell. I don't want the too old and/or too injury prone and/or too soft kind of guys.

That takes Embiid, Paul George, KAT , Beal, LaVine and maybe even Durant totally out of the equation for me.

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[TGW]

Why would the Grizzlies trade a lottery pick and two seconds for a player coming off a major injury. Robinson would have to prove he wasn’t damaged goods before a trade like this would ever happen.

[aggo]

everyone but knicks fans know that Mitch has to be traded this offseason if we keep ihart.

[Knicksfan1992]

Why would the Grizzlies trade a lottery pick and two seconds for a player coming off a major injury. Robinson would have to prove he wasn’t damaged goods before a trade like this would ever happen.

A few reasons:

Mitch is a great lob threat who is mostly wasted here. We don't really have any great lob throwers... Ja is great at throwing lobs. Brunson is much more methodical in how he operates in pick and roll. Hartenstein fits that better because he's a better screen setter and better in the short roll than Mitch.

JJJ is the ideal 4 man next to Mitch and Mitch is the ideal 5 next to JJJ. Grizzlies found a lot of success because Adams could rebound the hell out of the ball and take on the bigger post threats while JJJ could roam on defense and stretch the floor and playmake on offense. Also when teams go small Mitch can either punish them on the glass or you simply play JJJ at the 5 to combat it.

Quite frankly with the way this draft is set up the 9th pick is probably valued more like the 12-15th pick in most drafts. That seems like what Mitch's value would be and Memphis needs veteran help more than they need a late lottery kind of prospect. Knicks get some future salary savings by taking on Kennard's expiring and get a chance to flesh out their depth with a prospect of their choosing. It also could allow them to either flip the pick for more picks down the line or give them more flexibility to move their late 1sts if they'd like.

I actually like the deal for both sides personally even if Kennard for Mitch and Bogs seems like a downgrade right now. It gives us more flexibility I think.

[8516knicks]

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[aggo]

assets matter.

the #9 is more than just a pick.


its a shot at getting a real asset. taking a shot at drafting an all-star on a rookie contract.


mitch is a backup.


you make this deal 10/10 times.

[Clyde_Style]

Giannis is the guy you drop a bombshell offer for.

Randle, Mitch Rob, McBride (Lillard back up) and 4-5 FRPs. Nobody is touching that kind of offer. Milwaukee could actually still be pretty darn good with those players and Lillard next year.

You use Bogdanovic and picks for a point guard to back up Brunson.

Resign I Hart

Giannis probably would be the # 1 target for this FO

The Bucks fizzled and they look ripe for a rebuild.

It comes down to what he wants. If Giannis wants out, expect the Knicks to be his primary suitor.

Giannis is the only player I would expect a mega-trade for. I don't think there is anyone else of that magnitude who could be on the move. He definitely could force his way out of MIL.

I'm with you. And THIS is the move to make. Not Embiid, not KAT, not Booker ..... if there is any way that you can get Giannis has has to be clear cut plan A , CAA or not.

He's one of the best combinations of:

Young enough
Durable enough
Elite on both sides of the ball
Not too much diva factor
Great potential fit within roster construction (assuming Randle is traded)


After him it's a drop down to Booker, Bridges and Donovan Mitchell. I don't want the too old and/or too injury prone and/or too soft kind of guys.

That takes Embiid, Paul George, KAT , Beal, LaVine and maybe even Durant totally out of the equation for me.

All of those other guys would require a ransom. Giannis is probably the only one I'd go for. I don't want Embiid. PG could actually work, but what's the cost? Probably too much. Don't know why you're mentioning Beal and Latrine though. And no to Durant. He's too soft for Thibs.

Booker could work for us as a fit, but again, very costly and at a price that makes it not worthwhile since he's not helping us on defense. He'd provide the same kind of boost Derozan would have provided us in these playoffs, a legit secondary scorer, but that's about it.

And Mikal is actually a very good fit, but I reckon they're holding out for a mega deal and he's not a superstar, but an excellent piece on the right team.

All of which points to Giannis as the one you open the bank for. And I'm not even a huge fan of his. He gets by on athleticism and freak power x length that masks his still fairly raw skills. But he'd give us incredible defensive potential next to OG plus a great scoring option from various parts of the floor next to Brunson. He's a natural superstar for NYC if he came here. He'd be huge here. Not like he wasn't already a big success with his MVPs, but he really could go supernova here in terms of commercial impact.

[8516knicks]

everyone but knicks fans know that Mitch has to be traded this offseason if we keep ihart.

Always injured, getting fat and slow, more earthbound, FT shooting trending toward 30%, plays 50-60 games a season.

[Clyde_Style]

everyone but knicks fans know that Mitch has to be traded this offseason if we keep ihart.

Always injured, getting fat and slow, more earthbound, FT shooting trending toward 30%, plays 50-60 games a season.

Fitch = Fat Mitch

[8516knicks]

Can we please shoot down all Donte trade talks... this guy is 3rd in 3pt FGs just behind Steph and Luka, do you know how lethal it is to have a shooting weapon like that, it's not just the makes but how he shoots it, teams would kill to have a top 3 3pt shooter on their roster, opponents facing us see he's 3rd in 3pt makes, there's an undeniable gravity to that. You don't trade him, and "just find someone else to replace his shooting". I said again and again, he makes our offense special, the way OG makes our defense special.

Actually 3 things that make our offense special:
- Donte's shooting
- JB's brilliance
- Julius' physicality (I'm now in keep Ju camp, hard to find someone as physical as Ju on offense)

These are the three elements that synergistically work with each other, teams have to specifically gameplan to stop/ contain them. Have these 3 we are unstoppable, take one out and we're beatable.

Furthermore, Donte is improving not only as a shooter but as a scorer, slasher, better finisher in the paint. He's disruptive defensively and may grow to even become a better defender. Also, already clutch in playoffs and biggest stage, what more do you want?

Donte is almost definitely not getting traded.....

-He shoots the 3 extremely well
-Him being a Brunson close friend and Nova buddy definitely played a big role here signing him in the 1st place
- He is on a good contract

The guys who are much more likely to get traded are McBride, Mitch Rob (esp if we sign I Hart), Bogs of course, Achiuwa and maybe even Randle if it is for an absolute superstar player.

I don't really like "we won't trade Hart or Divo because they're Nova Knicks" bs... I actually wish Divo and Hart had come from different colleges a and the 3 just became organically great buddies... imo the "Nova Knicks" thing is great FOR THEM, and not necessarily for other guys on the team, it has capacity of alienating and dividing the locker room, esp JB is the clear cut franchise player, everyone has to get along with him, but oh if you aren't from Nova you ain't in the "exclusive club". Though JB has been a great leader and a great teammate to everyone (not only to Hart and Divo), theres no escaping the thought "Hart and Divo are invincible, cuz they're Nova Knicks, and best buddies with the franchise guy" of course they get special treatment... duh.. !

This is why I actually cringe at the thought we should get Mikal "cuz he's the final Nova piece", not as much because he fills what we need. If we really get him, the Nova group only became bigger and stronger, again good FOR THEM, not necessarily for the team imo.

That said, I'm not for trading Hart or Divo at all, nor against trading for Mikal. Whatever is good for the team. But the Nova thing should be downplayed as much as possible imo, it makes it seem (although I believe it's not their intention) the Nova guys have their own agenda aside of the whole team's common agenda of winning a championship.

Selfish is not the way they roll.

[8516knicks]

I think the urgency to win now is at an all time high for the Knicks so I think they're gonna punt the draft again for a vet. Shams recently said the Knicks are still looking to make that big move this summer. Probably going to try to package those picks for someone.

I have my pick in BAF but havent even scouted at all yet lol

It is high but unless we're talking about a high level complementary player I don't see the available player. They need to be clearly better than Randle. The Heat guys make sense but would Riley really pull the plug on Bam? Is Giannis more disgruntled than we're hearing?

I think it just depends on what type of star the Knicks are looking for. We've only seen them really go hard after Donovan Mitchell. They didn't go after Dejounte Murray, Bradley Beal, Zach Lavine. Woj did say we talked to the Sixers about Harden but it may have just been exploratory talks.

To sum it up.. I think they want someone of at least Donovan's caliber.

I actually do think Ingram can make that leap though if he is able to stay healthy. It's kinda rare a young long (pause) wing that can score and playmake at a high level becomes available. Those guys are usually untouchable.

So it's natural to wonder WHY they are now "touchable."

[Capn'O]

It is high but unless we're talking about a high level complementary player I don't see the available player. They need to be clearly better than Randle. The Heat guys make sense but would Riley really pull the plug on Bam? Is Giannis more disgruntled than we're hearing?

I think it just depends on what type of star the Knicks are looking for. We've only seen them really go hard after Donovan Mitchell. They didn't go after Dejounte Murray, Bradley Beal, Zach Lavine. Woj did say we talked to the Sixers about Harden but it may have just been exploratory talks.

To sum it up.. I think they want someone of at least Donovan's caliber.

I actually do think Ingram can make that leap though if he is able to stay healthy. It's kinda rare a young long (pause) wing that can score and playmake at a high level becomes available. Those guys are usually untouchable.

So it's natural to wonder WHY they are now "touchable."

The ol' Groucho Marx "I wouldn't want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member."

[Clyde_Style]

Touchable is the new word du jour

[KnicksGadfly]

I might be down to make a play for McDaniels

[HarthorneWingo]

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[Guano]

Hope sham likes memphis

[Bob Ross]

This draft sucks and so does that trade

[HarthorneWingo]

Hope sham likes memphis

Hope Mitch carries a gun. I mean if he wants to make sure he gets his shots, he's gotta speak the language to get his point across to the PG. You know what I mean?