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Post#1941 » by FireMorey » Mon Jun 3, 2024 3:26 am

DJJ is nothing special, I'm not really a fan. I'd definitely prefer Oubre over him, but I'm hoping for better overall. Not too keen on keeping Batum either tbh.
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Post#1942 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Jun 3, 2024 3:34 am

Some under tha radar guys I like. Bol Bol and Lamar Stevens. I also think we need to re-sign KJ Martin. Only thing stopping KJ from being a rotational playoff player is his bad shooting. If he gets in the gym and at least nails down a respectable three, he becomes a great fit.
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Post#1943 » by FlyingArrow » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:49 am

All the rumors I'm hearing make me pessimistic about the future. If we didn't have Maxey, I'd feel more rushed about contending in Embiid's short window. With his age and health, it would be a two year window. But with Maxey's age, we can contend for a long time with Maxey+ a declining Embiid. 6 more years with that core instead of 2.

Unless we blow all of it resources on an aged star that doesn't bring us a championship anyway, leaves us worse in 3 years than we would have been by doing nothing, and makes us so bad that Maxey wants out.

It's great to have all this cap space, but we shouldn't trade picks away to use it
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Post#1944 » by Jhawk03 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:22 am

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The Sixers feel like they will be able to work something out with him in free agency. The 6-foot-8, 230-pound forward didn’t expect to like Philadelphia, but ended up loving it here. And Embiid made it known to Batum what he expects him to do.

As a result, he’s at the top of Sixers’ priority list for retaining free agents. However, he a candidate for a little more money than originally expected on a shorter deal.

While Lowry and Oubre also are major priorities, the Sixers ability to retain them could come down to what they’re willing to take in free agency.


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The Sixers are in need of more than role players. Believing all they need are role players is exactly what's kept the team from advancing beyond the second round for the past several years. The nucleus of the team isn't sufficient so as to make role players the team's top priority. This is a team without a quarterback -- it shouldn't be believing a right guard will make the difference.


You're getting nothing but overpaid role players, and you're gonna like it!

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Post#1945 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:05 pm

Kyle Anderson for the vet minimum would be fine.

However, someone is always willing to pay him more than that and he's NEVER worth it.

Anderson is unable to be productive in the playoffs.
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Post#1946 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:46 pm

I find the DJJ talk funny. He’s been the same player for years and isn’t anything special, but because the team he’s on is in the finals he’s a wanted man.
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Post#1947 » by Stanford » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:07 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:I find the DJJ talk funny. He’s been the same player for years and isn’t anything special, but because the team he’s on is in the finals he’s a wanted man.


Bruce Brown effect.
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Post#1948 » by youngcrev » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:22 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:I find the DJJ talk funny. He’s been the same player for years and isn’t anything special, but because the team he’s on is in the finals he’s a wanted man.


I hear you, but proving you can start for a team on the finals is a pretty big resume builder.

The jumper was always a swing skill for him and he's shot a career high in terms of both attempts and percentage this year, so it's not just that.

And honestly, the amount of money we're talking about here isn't getting you anything special (you could say the same for Anderson, Oubre, and Martin).
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Post#1949 » by youngcrev » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:25 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Kyle Anderson for the vet minimum would be fine.

However, someone is always willing to pay him more than that and he's NEVER worth it.

Anderson is unable to be productive in the playoffs.


Not pushing for Kyle Anderson here, but if we're gonna have Embiid, Maxey and a 3rd max guy eating up the vast majority of the touches, your role players aren't all that likely to produce all that much. You're going to need glue guys that do the things that don't show up in the box score.
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Post#1950 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:40 pm

youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I find the DJJ talk funny. He’s been the same player for years and isn’t anything special, but because the team he’s on is in the finals he’s a wanted man.


I hear you, but proving you can start for a team on the finals is a pretty big resume builder.

The jumper was always a swing skill for him and he's shot a career high in terms of both attempts and percentage this year, so it's not just that.

And honestly, the amount of money we're talking about here isn't getting you anything special (you could say the same for Anderson, Oubre, and Martin).


You’re right, it’s playing with Luka Doncic. It’s idiotic to think he would produce similarly on this team. We’ve seen the same thing with Miami’s role players, prime LeBron’s teammates, and some of Jokic’s (ie Bruce Brown as mentioned above).

We do this crap every year where we think we need “that” guy from another team or our own “X player” (think Aaron Gordon) and it just doesn’t work that way. We need to find our own role players who fit our own stars instead of trying to copy everyone else. We have our own context as do other teams.
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Post#1951 » by youngcrev » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:48 pm

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youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I find the DJJ talk funny. He’s been the same player for years and isn’t anything special, but because the team he’s on is in the finals he’s a wanted man.


I hear you, but proving you can start for a team on the finals is a pretty big resume builder.

The jumper was always a swing skill for him and he's shot a career high in terms of both attempts and percentage this year, so it's not just that.

And honestly, the amount of money we're talking about here isn't getting you anything special (you could say the same for Anderson, Oubre, and Martin).


You’re right, it’s playing with Luka Doncic. It’s idiotic to think he would produce similarly on this team. We’ve seen the same thing with Miami’s role players, prime LeBron’s teammates, and some of Jokic’s (ie Bruce Brown as mentioned above).

We do this crap every year where we think we need “that” guy from another team or our own “X player” (think Aaron Gordon) and it just doesn’t work that way. We need to find our own role players who fit our own stars instead of trying to copy everyone else. We have our own context as do other teams.


I don't think anyone is actually doing that though. Pretty much everyone has said they'd have some reservations about paying him and that they'd be concerned about the jumper. And one of the people that liked him most said they've always liked him.

It's a discussion of what you do with the limited remaining cap if you sign a max guy. In terms of players the MLE type range (which is around what they'd have if they keep their pick), he seems like a pretty reasonable name to discuss.
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Post#1952 » by mjkvol » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:09 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I find the DJJ talk funny. He’s been the same player for years and isn’t anything special, but because the team he’s on is in the finals he’s a wanted man.


I hear you, but proving you can start for a team on the finals is a pretty big resume builder.

The jumper was always a swing skill for him and he's shot a career high in terms of both attempts and percentage this year, so it's not just that.

And honestly, the amount of money we're talking about here isn't getting you anything special (you could say the same for Anderson, Oubre, and Martin).


You’re right, it’s playing with Luka Doncic. It’s idiotic to think he would produce similarly on this team. We’ve seen the same thing with Miami’s role players, prime LeBron’s teammates, and some of Jokic’s (ie Bruce Brown as mentioned above).

We do this crap every year where we think we need “that” guy from another team or our own “X player” (think Aaron Gordon) and it just doesn’t work that way. We need to find our own role players who fit our own stars instead of trying to copy everyone else. We have our own context as do other teams.


No doubt, but here's the thing - virtually every role player has flaws, which is why they are role players and not stars. I've used the Gordon example many times, and it's simply a way of saying exactly what you just suggested, to get role players that fit what we want to do and who will complement our stars.

I like DJJ a lot, always have, but there are a number of guys like that I'd be happy to have at that price level.
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Post#1953 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:15 pm

mjkvol wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
I hear you, but proving you can start for a team on the finals is a pretty big resume builder.

The jumper was always a swing skill for him and he's shot a career high in terms of both attempts and percentage this year, so it's not just that.

And honestly, the amount of money we're talking about here isn't getting you anything special (you could say the same for Anderson, Oubre, and Martin).


You’re right, it’s playing with Luka Doncic. It’s idiotic to think he would produce similarly on this team. We’ve seen the same thing with Miami’s role players, prime LeBron’s teammates, and some of Jokic’s (ie Bruce Brown as mentioned above).

We do this crap every year where we think we need “that” guy from another team or our own “X player” (think Aaron Gordon) and it just doesn’t work that way. We need to find our own role players who fit our own stars instead of trying to copy everyone else. We have our own context as do other teams.


No doubt, but here's the thing - virtually every role player has flaws, which is why they are role players and not stars. I've used the Gordon example many times, and it's simply a way of saying exactly what you just suggested, to get role players that fit what we want to do and who will complement our stars.

I like DJJ a lot, always have, but there are a number of guys like that I'd be happy to have at that price level.


Yea and I don't mean to sound so harsh about it, but you just don't want to be the team stuck overpaying a player 3-5x his value ala Gabe Vincent, Bruce Brown, PJ Tucker (when we signed him), etc.

In other words, we need to acquire guys before they hit their peak values (like we did with Oubre), not after. I don't think DJJ will fall into the former category, but that's just me.
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Post#1954 » by mjkvol » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:26 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
You’re right, it’s playing with Luka Doncic. It’s idiotic to think he would produce similarly on this team. We’ve seen the same thing with Miami’s role players, prime LeBron’s teammates, and some of Jokic’s (ie Bruce Brown as mentioned above).

We do this crap every year where we think we need “that” guy from another team or our own “X player” (think Aaron Gordon) and it just doesn’t work that way. We need to find our own role players who fit our own stars instead of trying to copy everyone else. We have our own context as do other teams.


No doubt, but here's the thing - virtually every role player has flaws, which is why they are role players and not stars. I've used the Gordon example many times, and it's simply a way of saying exactly what you just suggested, to get role players that fit what we want to do and who will complement our stars.

I like DJJ a lot, always have, but there are a number of guys like that I'd be happy to have at that price level.


Yea and I don't mean to sound so harsh about it, but you just don't want to be the team stuck overpaying a player 3-5x his value ala Gabe Vincent, Bruce Brown, PJ Tucker (when we signed him), etc.

In other words, we need to acquire guys before they hit their peak values (like we did with Oubre), not after. I don't think DJJ will fall into the former category, but that's just me.


100% agree - we have to find our own versions of Vincent, Brown, or DJJ before they are making bank. To me, that is Morey's biggest task this off season, to repeat the Oubre signing and fill the roster with role playing contributors.
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Post#1955 » by M2J » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:29 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
You’re right, it’s playing with Luka Doncic. It’s idiotic to think he would produce similarly on this team. We’ve seen the same thing with Miami’s role players, prime LeBron’s teammates, and some of Jokic’s (ie Bruce Brown as mentioned above).

We do this crap every year where we think we need “that” guy from another team or our own “X player” (think Aaron Gordon) and it just doesn’t work that way. We need to find our own role players who fit our own stars instead of trying to copy everyone else. We have our own context as do other teams.


No doubt, but here's the thing - virtually every role player has flaws, which is why they are role players and not stars. I've used the Gordon example many times, and it's simply a way of saying exactly what you just suggested, to get role players that fit what we want to do and who will complement our stars.

I like DJJ a lot, always have, but there are a number of guys like that I'd be happy to have at that price level.


Yea and I don't mean to sound so harsh about it, but you just don't want to be the team stuck overpaying a player 3-5x his value ala Gabe Vincent, Bruce Brown, PJ Tucker (when we signed him), etc.

In other words, we need to acquire guys before they hit their peak values (like we did with Oubre), not after. I don't think DJJ will fall into the former category, but that's just me.


I don't mind DJ, but Kelly for the mle is a steal. His ability to have a true offensive mindset and defend is valuable.
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Post#1956 » by mjkvol » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:29 pm

I'll just throw this out there - MIN is in cap hell, what would it take to pry Naz Reid away from them?
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Post#1957 » by Embiid P » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:53 pm

mjkvol wrote:I'll just throw this out there - MIN is in cap hell, what would it take to pry Naz Reid away from them?


Can Reid play PF or is he strictly a C? If the latter, I vote no because I don't want to overpay for a back-up C, nor do I want to try to plug a square peg into a round hole like we've tried to do so many times during the Embiid era.
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Post#1958 » by mjkvol » Mon Jun 3, 2024 11:08 pm

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mjkvol wrote:I'll just throw this out there - MIN is in cap hell, what would it take to pry Naz Reid away from them?


Can Reid play PF or is he strictly a C? If the latter, I vote no because I don't want to overpay for a back-up C, nor do I want to try to plug a square peg into a round hole like we've tried to do so many times during the Embiid era.


Why couldn't he play with Embiid as well as serving as a backup? He's only 25, can space the floor and is a dawg. What's not to like?
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Post#1959 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 3, 2024 11:38 pm

mjkvol wrote:
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mjkvol wrote:I'll just throw this out there - MIN is in cap hell, what would it take to pry Naz Reid away from them?


Can Reid play PF or is he strictly a C? If the latter, I vote no because I don't want to overpay for a back-up C, nor do I want to try to plug a square peg into a round hole like we've tried to do so many times during the Embiid era.


Why couldn't he play with Embiid as well as serving as a backup? He's only 25, can space the floor and is a dawg. What's not to like?


That's the reason they're more likely to keep him and ship out Towns instead. Finances will dictate it.
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Post#1960 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 11:49 pm

Naz Reid is also insanely popular with the Minnesota fanbase. His jersey is their second best seller besides Ant. I remember going to games last year & kids would be screaming “I love you Naz Reid” during the game lol.

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