2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[WuTang_CMB]

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[WuTang_CMB]

some analysis on the bigs

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scouting-top-end-bigs-donovan-clingan-zach-edey-kelel/id1561566975?i=1000655346484

[OakleyDokely]

Raps workout list so far:

Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Jaden Bediako
Reece Beekman
Coleman Hawkins
Joseph Girard III
Josh Oduro

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



Mogbo is such a Raptor-y pick. Great length, has a versatile skillet, very productive college player and he's a late bloomer with some untapped potential.

[Raptorfan2012]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

I feel like the Raptors are genuinely invested in Agbaji's development. He is still 24 years old, so he is not in his prime just yet. They probably assessed this year's draft pool already and decided they like Agbaji more. Some of you really like that mystery box.

[Raptorfan2012]

Raps workout list so far:

Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Jaden Bediako
Reece Beekman
Coleman Hawkins
Joseph Girard III
Josh Oduro

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



Mogbo is such a Raptor-y pick. Great length, has a versatile skillet and he's a late bloomer with some untapped potential.

Why do I feel like Mogbo is the next Precious? Both are not quite a wing but too small to be a big...

[OakleyDokely]

Raps workout list so far:

Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Jaden Bediako
Reece Beekman
Coleman Hawkins
Joseph Girard III
Josh Oduro

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



Mogbo is such a Raptor-y pick. Great length, has a versatile skillet and he's a late bloomer with some untapped potential.

Why do I feel like Mogbo is the next Precious? Both are not quite a wing but too small to be a big...

Size wise and what they can do defensively is very similar but Mogbo is on another planet from a playing making standpoint. He averaged 5 assists per 40, which is pretty insane for a big. Seems to have a better feel for the game offensively.

[WuTang_CMB]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

I feel like the Raptors are genuinely invested in Agbaji's development. He is still 24 years old, so he is not in his prime just yet. They probably assessed this year's draft pool already and decided they like Agbaji more. Some of you really like that mystery box.

I think they focused on Olynyk as he was doing good things with Utah and helping their young guys. Then they asked for Agbaji to make it a fairish trade and who Utah already soured on.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Raps workout list so far:

Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Jaden Bediako
Reece Beekman
Coleman Hawkins
Joseph Girard III
Josh Oduro

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



Mogbo is such a Raptor-y pick. Great length, has a versatile skillet and he's a late bloomer with some untapped potential.

Why do I feel like Mogbo is the next Precious? Both are not quite a wing but too small to be a big...

Size wise and what they can do defensively is very similar but Mogbo is on another planet from a playing making standpoint. He averaged 5 assists per 40, which is pretty insane for a big. Seems to have a better feel for the game offensively.

We’d also hope that Mogbo isn’t a complete airhead like Precious was.

[OakleyDokely]

I know Mogbo played in the WCC, but his overall numbers are pretty great. The efficiency, rebounding, assists, stocks are all at a plus level and his overall impact at both ends was a plus. He has a 7'2 wingspan, weighs around 220lbs and he's 22 (doesn't turn 23 until after the season starts).

Average:
28.9 MIN, 14.2 PPG, 10.1 REB, 3.6 AST (1,8 TO), 1.6 STL, 0.8 BLK, .636 FG, .000 3PT, .692 FT, .648 TS, 22.7 USG, 11.1 BPM

Per 40:
19.7 PPG, 14.1 REB, 5.1 AST, 2.2 STL, 1.1 BLK

[pharring]

Raps workout list so far:

Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Jaden Bediako
Reece Beekman
Coleman Hawkins
Joseph Girard III
Josh Oduro

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



Mogbo is such a Raptor-y pick. Great length, has a versatile skillet and he's a late bloomer with some untapped potential.

Why do I feel like Mogbo is the next Precious? Both are not quite a wing but too small to be a big...

Size wise and what they can do defensively is very similar but Mogbo is on another planet from a playing making standpoint. He averaged 5 assists per 40, which is pretty insane for a big. Seems to have a better feel for the game offensively.

Mogbo is off the charts for rebound % too. Exceeds Edey and Clingan. Dude is a vaccum. Thinking Kenneth Faried but with court vision. I am really high on this guy. Yeah, he doesn't even try to shoot 3s, but at least he knows what he is and commits to it.

[OakleyDokely]

Why do I feel like Mogbo is the next Precious? Both are not quite a wing but too small to be a big...

Size wise and what they can do defensively is very similar but Mogbo is on another planet from a playing making standpoint. He averaged 5 assists per 40, which is pretty insane for a big. Seems to have a better feel for the game offensively.

Mogbo is off the charts for rebound % too. Exceeds Edey and Clingan. Dude is a vaccum. Thinking Kenneth Faried but with court vision. I am really high on this guy. Yeah, he doesn't even try to shoot 3s, but at least he knows what he is and commits to it.

I remember reading the Raps are big into rebound % because they believe it correlates to motor.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's the guy at 31. He ticks so many of their boxes. Or they shock everyone and just take him 19.

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps need length and more "jolt" players such as Mogbo after losing Siakam/OG
If he shot 3's, he's probably going top 6 in all fairness. All these guys at the top have major warts
At least Mogbo has the body/length, motor, playmaking and can rebound the shyt out of the ball
I was thinking he could be the target at 31 even if they go big at 19. If they take him at 19, I wouldn't question it because they are likely banking on his upside/work ethic to get even better

[OakleyDokely]

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[UnbelievablyRAW]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

See I'd rather have Carrington. A little younger and similarly not a vertical athlete, has the same PPP in isolation as Collier (0.94) and had a 25AST% (lower than Collier but still good).

I think Carrington can be a 36-38% 3PT shooter as a rookie taking C&S looks with some pullups sprinkled in and I don't have that faith with Collier. His 3PAr was high at 6+ and even with the lower %s, the confidence in the shot and his higher FT% gives me hope that the jumper is legit. Especially given we're about to give IQ a bag, I'd want a more complimentary guard that can play with him over one that would have to share minutes ahead of or he can't play. At 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan, I can see Carlton as a second guard who can playmake next to IQ.

I see the arguments for Collier as a slashing PG who can pass, but on a team with horrendous spacing against NBA defense I'm not sure how good that will look especially in the offseason we are about to sign a 6'3 PG to a long term deal

[aminiaturebuddha]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

See I'd rather have Carrington. A little younger and similarly not a vertical athlete, has the same PPP in isolation as Collier (0.94) and had a 25AST% (lower than Collier but still good).

I think Carrington can be a 36-38% 3PT shooter as a rookie taking C&S looks with some pullups sprinkled in and I don't have that faith with Collier. His 3PAr was high at 6+ and even with the lower %s, the confidence in the shot and his higher FT% gives me hope that the jumper is legit. Especially given we're about to give IQ a bag, I'd want a more complimentary guard that can play with him over one that would have to share minutes ahead of or he can't play. At 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan, I can see Carlton as a second guard who can playmake next to IQ.

I see the arguments for Collier as a slashing PG who can pass, but on a team with horrendous spacing against NBA defense I'm not sure how good that will look especially in the offseason we are about to sign a 6'3 PG to a long term deal

Very well put. These are my exact thoughts on these two guys as well. And even though he wasn't very good as a freshman (but few are) I actually have some faith that Carrington can build on the defensive flashes he showed to be pretty good at that end. I liked some of the effort I saw from him later in the year fighting around screens and believe that with his bigger size and wingspan he'd also be a better complementary defender to IQ than Collier.

[Rapsfan07]

Why do I feel like Mogbo is the next Precious? Both are not quite a wing but too small to be a big...

Size wise and what they can do defensively is very similar but Mogbo is on another planet from a playing making standpoint. He averaged 5 assists per 40, which is pretty insane for a big. Seems to have a better feel for the game offensively.

We’d also hope that Mogbo isn’t a complete airhead like Precious was.

Looks like solid stats for sure but he's small and doesn't shoot threes which means we could be looking at a Precious-type tweener.

Going to say probably "no" at #31 and a strong "hell nah" at #19.

[grant101]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

See I'd rather have Carrington. A little younger and similarly not a vertical athlete, has the same PPP in isolation as Collier (0.94) and had a 25AST% (lower than Collier but still good).

I think Carrington can be a 36-38% 3PT shooter as a rookie taking C&S looks with some pullups sprinkled in and I don't have that faith with Collier. His 3PAr was high at 6+ and even with the lower %s, the confidence in the shot and his higher FT% gives me hope that the jumper is legit. Especially given we're about to give IQ a bag, I'd want a more complimentary guard that can play with him over one that would have to share minutes ahead of or he can't play. At 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan, I can see Carlton as a second guard who can playmake next to IQ.

I see the arguments for Collier as a slashing PG who can pass, but on a team with horrendous spacing against NBA defense I'm not sure how good that will look especially in the offseason we are about to sign a 6'3 PG to a long term deal

Bub is such a weird prospect. He looks great on paper (young, tall, long, pretty looking off-the-dribble jump shot), but I don't buy him as a point guard given his inability to create advantages and get to (let alone finish) at the rim. I'm not sure you can have a point guard who never gets into the paint and who's go to move is a tough turnaround midranger. He's a little like Demar without the driving. His first step is just so slow.

Carrington as an off-guard is a much less appealing outcome (like a GTJ with a less proven jump-shot that works better off the dribble than on catch and shoot). He also had a lower 3pt % than Collier (albeit on more attempts), so I'm not sure where the faith that he becomes a knock-down 3pt shooter comes from

[niQ]

Raps workout list so far:

Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Jaden Bediako
Reece Beekman
Coleman Hawkins
Joseph Girard III
Josh Oduro

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



Mogbo is such a Raptor-y pick. Great length, has a versatile skillet, very productive college player and he's a late bloomer with some untapped potential.

I get Mogbo is Scottie's buddy and all, but do his skills not just replicate Barnes? Unless that's the point off the bench...

[niQ]

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Would Topic be an instant pick if available at 19?

Give him all season to recover if need be. If team is bad, better position for 2025 draft?

Though, I can still see teams with multiple FRP (Spurs, Blazers) roll the dice and take him with their 2nd FRP.

[grant101]

Raps workout list so far:

Kel'el Ware
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Jonathan Mogbo
Jaden Bediako
Reece Beekman
Coleman Hawkins
Joseph Girard III
Josh Oduro

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



Mogbo is such a Raptor-y pick. Great length, has a versatile skillet, very productive college player and he's a late bloomer with some untapped potential.

I get Mogbo is Scottie's buddy and all, but do his skills not just replicate Barnes? Unless that's the point off the bench...

I don't think we can worry about replicating skills at this point in the team's development. We are starving for talent - particularly in the front court. We need more bodies able to guard big wings and PFs, grab rebounds, and be able to run Darko's pass-heavy system. If the team believes Mogbo can hang in the league and on the team, they should nab him