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Deni Avdija - Part II

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Post#541 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:51 pm

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doclinkin wrote:I will say I did not expect him to be as good a rebounder as he has proven to be. Players don't generally instantly increase their rebounding % when they jump to the NBA. But his adjustment here was quick, and it’s not like he got significantly bigger and stronger in changing leagues. If you predicted that then I'm impressed.


Deni averaged the same amount of rebounds per 36 with Maccabi, as he did in his first two seasons in the NBA.


In 6 minutes per game and 14 minutes per game. Defensive rebounds translate more faithfully than many stats, but generally there is a drop off with both increased exposure and stepping up in leagues. You commonly see it the other way, when players graduate from the NBA but prolong their career overseas with an uptick in rebounding %'s.


27.6 minutes in Israeli league games
14.3 minutes in Euroleague games
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Post#542 » by doclinkin » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:01 pm

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Deni averaged the same amount of rebounds per 36 with Maccabi, as he did in his first two seasons in the NBA.


In 6 minutes per game and 14 minutes per game. Defensive rebounds translate more faithfully than many stats, but generally there is a drop off with both increased exposure and stepping up in leagues. You commonly see it the other way, when players graduate from the NBA but prolong their career overseas with an uptick in rebounding %'s.


27.6 minutes in Israeli league games
14.3 minutes in Euroleague games


I had info from BRef:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/deni-avdija-1.html

I confess I wasn't watching Israeli league games, but expect them to translate even less well than Euroleague stats.
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Post#543 » by arusinov » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:19 pm

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In 6 minutes per game and 14 minutes per game. Defensive rebounds translate more faithfully than many stats, but generally there is a drop off with both increased exposure and stepping up in leagues. You commonly see it the other way, when players graduate from the NBA but prolong their career overseas with an uptick in rebounding %'s.


27.6 minutes in Israeli league games
14.3 minutes in Euroleague games


I had info from BRef:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/deni-avdija-1.html

I confess I wasn't watching Israeli league games, but expect them to translate even less well than Euroleague stats.


Stats from other leagues here on realgm are much more correctly represented

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Deni-Avdija/Summary/116938

(look in "International Regular Season Stats - Per Game")
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Post#544 » by doclinkin » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:23 pm

Thanks. Laziness on my part trying to reconstruct my memory at the time.
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Post#545 » by 80sballboy » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:50 pm

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Post#546 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:20 pm

I don't think he'll be in the dunk contest
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Post#547 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:31 pm

Those dunks are pretty nice though! He is definitely getting up. I wonder what his vertical leap is? (He wasn't at the combine.)
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Post#548 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:15 pm

My guess is 36-37 inches. Rarely dunks in the paint with contact. Needs a running start.
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Post#549 » by wco81 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:41 pm

Is he part of the future or will the Wizards trade him to a team like the Celtics again?
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Post#550 » by AFM » Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:45 pm

He's young, one of the best up and coming players in the league, and on a very team friendly contract. 0% chance he gets traded.
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Post#551 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:54 pm

wco81 wrote:Is he part of the future or will the Wizards trade him to a team like the Celtics again?

The Porzingis trade was an entirely difference scenario. Porzingis had a player option and was not interested in waiting out a rebuild. He had the leverage to force a trade that was in his best interests or else he was willing to walk and pursue free agency.

The Wizards will not be trading Avdija unless our trade partner values him as the elite role player and borderline All-Star caliber talent that the Wizards value him to be. That's definitely not going to happen this summer. When young players break out, their team usually assumes the most optimistic upside and values him accordingly, and potential trade partners take a more pessimistic view and won't meet the asking price. This is why good young players are almost never traded unless there are extenuating circumstances.

And just for an understanding of how he is valued on this board at least, here is what I posted on a recent Avdija trade thread:

nate33 wrote:Since February 8th, Deni has averaged 19.3 points, 9.5 rebounds, 3.9 assists on a .604 TS%. The team was just -1.2 per 100 possessions in those minutes, so Deni had the talentless Wizards playing like a 37-win team while he was on the floor.

Compare that production to three other All-Stars this season:
Player A: 19.9 points, 8.2 rebounds, 6.1 assists, .566 TS%, will get paid a max contract in 2025 for $42M a year.
Player B: 22.2 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.4 assists, .545 TS%, will get paid a max contract in 2026 for $45M a year
Player C: 23.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3.6 assists, .580 TS%, will be paid $57M a year over the next 5 years
D.Avdija: 19.3 points, 9.5 rebounds, 3.9 assists, .604 TS%, will be paid $13M a year over the next 4 years.

Spoiler:
Player A is Scottie Barnes
Player B is Paulo Banchero
Player C is Jaylen Brown

Look objectively at those statistics and those contracts to understand why Washington is unlikely to trade him.
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Post#552 » by wco81 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:00 pm

Main thing is he improved his shooting by a lot last season after struggling in previous seasons.

Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten such a team-friendly deal and that extension wouldn't look so great unless he improved his efficiency by a lot.

Great for the franchise, since they've had some spotty drafts in recent years.
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Post#553 » by arusinov » Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:54 pm

80sballboy wrote:My guess is 36-37 inches. Rarely dunks in the paint with contact. Needs a running start.


Does he (need running start) though?

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?t=4SB5a0h5a1lSrH-qbMWH0g&s=09

Also he had top entry in daily NBA top-10 with dunk on Eubanks, and another entry in top-10 with another dunk on Jabari Smith (those dunks with running start to be honest)
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Re: Deni Avdija - Part II 

Post#554 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:15 pm

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80sballboy wrote:My guess is 36-37 inches. Rarely dunks in the paint with contact. Needs a running start.


Does he (need running start) though?

Read on Twitter
?t=4SB5a0h5a1lSrH-qbMWH0g&s=09

Also he had top entry in daily NBA top-10 with dunk on Eubanks, and another entry in top-10 with another dunk on Jabari Smith (those dunks with running start to be honest)


You get my point. He's finishing better now, which is a good thing whether it's on dunks or laying it in.
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Post#555 » by 9 and 20 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:14 pm

I remember those soft layup attempts from a couple seasons back. Hated that about his game. He's definitely come a long way.
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Post#556 » by J-Ves » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:13 am

wco81 wrote:Is he part of the future or will the Wizards trade him to a team like the Celtics again?

The asking price for Deni will give teams sticker shock. We’re taking a Rudy Gobert-like return
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Post#557 » by wco81 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:51 am

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wco81 wrote:Is he part of the future or will the Wizards trade him to a team like the Celtics again?

The asking price for Deni will give teams sticker shock. We’re taking a Rudy Gobert-like return



You can ask but until he makes several all-star or all-defense teams, there probably won't be many takers
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Post#558 » by badinage » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:43 am

wco81 wrote:
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wco81 wrote:Is he part of the future or will the Wizards trade him to a team like the Celtics again?

The asking price for Deni will give teams sticker shock. We’re taking a Rudy Gobert-like return



You can ask but until he makes several all-star or all-defense teams, there probably won't be many takers


And you can ask, but unless it’s for Tatum, you won’t receive.

And even then — at least if it were up to me — you wouldn’t receive.

Or for Brown.

We’ve watched Deni grow up. Seen him show flashes, seen him emerge, seen him show the full extent of his all-court game. That’s exciting. That has value all its own.

Also? And I don’t think I’m speaking for just myself — we deplore the Celtics and their chauvinist fanbase, and have since the days of Bird and McHale and Parish. We would so love it if they never won another title.
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Re: Deni Avdija - Part II 

Post#559 » by nate33 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:25 pm

badinage wrote:
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J-Ves wrote:The asking price for Deni will give teams sticker shock. We’re taking a Rudy Gobert-like return



You can ask but until he makes several all-star or all-defense teams, there probably won't be many takers


And you can ask, but unless it’s for Tatum, you won’t receive.

And even then — at least if it were up to me — you wouldn’t receive.

Well, that might be taking it a bit far. I'd certainly trade Deni for Tatum.

But you can make a good argument that he has more value (to the Wizards, at least) than everyone else on Boston's roster once you factor age and contract.
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Re: Deni Avdija - Part II 

Post#560 » by arusinov » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:42 pm

How about this one (360 windmill dunk) ?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8R44_Xp2-p/?igsh=MWZycXRqbzUyazRsbQ%3D%3D


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