2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[grant101]

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Would Topic be an instant pick if available at 19?

Give him all season to recover if need be. If team is bad, better position for 2025 draft?

Though, I can still see teams with multiple FRP (Spurs, Blazers) roll the dice and take him with their 2nd FRP.

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I may be alone on this, but it would depend on who's available for me. I would still probably take Collier, Carter and Holmes over Topic.

[Supermann98]

Need Dadiet with one of the picks. We need some Dadi-Dick combo in our lives. Too good to pass up.

Do "we" all need some Dadi-Dick or are you trying to project your needs onto us?

[BoyzNTheHood]

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Would Topic be an instant pick if available at 19?

Give him all season to recover if need be. If team is bad, better position for 2025 draft?

Though, I can still see teams with multiple FRP (Spurs, Blazers) roll the dice and take him with their 2nd FRP.

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I may be alone on this, but it would depend on who's available for me. I would still probably take Collier, Carter and Holmes over Topic.

I’m a fan of Topic, but the injuries are making things tough. He has injury red flags left and right.

[RoteSchroder]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

See I'd rather have Carrington. A little younger and similarly not a vertical athlete, has the same PPP in isolation as Collier (0.94) and had a 25AST% (lower than Collier but still good).

I think Carrington can be a 36-38% 3PT shooter as a rookie taking C&S looks with some pullups sprinkled in and I don't have that faith with Collier. His 3PAr was high at 6+ and even with the lower %s, the confidence in the shot and his higher FT% gives me hope that the jumper is legit. Especially given we're about to give IQ a bag, I'd want a more complimentary guard that can play with him over one that would have to share minutes ahead of or he can't play. At 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan, I can see Carlton as a second guard who can playmake next to IQ.

I see the arguments for Collier as a slashing PG who can pass, but on a team with horrendous spacing against NBA defense I'm not sure how good that will look especially in the offseason we are about to sign a 6'3 PG to a long term deal

I’m not the biggest fan of either Collier or Carrington, but you take the best prospect available. We’re not in a position to take based on need (shooting vs slashing).

Carrington’s catch and shoot game wasn’t that consistent even before college. I think it’ll be hard to go from 32.2% to 36%+ in his rookie season.

Carrington’s low frequency at the rim really hampers his upside, although a Lou Will/upgraded GTJr prospect isn’t that bad at 19, the lack of star potential makes it a bit boring. Collier has higher offensive upside, he’s just all round faster and better at slashing, but I think he projects to be a poor defender.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

See I'd rather have Carrington. A little younger and similarly not a vertical athlete, has the same PPP in isolation as Collier (0.94) and had a 25AST% (lower than Collier but still good).

I think Carrington can be a 36-38% 3PT shooter as a rookie taking C&S looks with some pullups sprinkled in and I don't have that faith with Collier. His 3PAr was high at 6+ and even with the lower %s, the confidence in the shot and his higher FT% gives me hope that the jumper is legit. Especially given we're about to give IQ a bag, I'd want a more complimentary guard that can play with him over one that would have to share minutes ahead of or he can't play. At 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan, I can see Carlton as a second guard who can playmake next to IQ.

I see the arguments for Collier as a slashing PG who can pass, but on a team with horrendous spacing against NBA defense I'm not sure how good that will look especially in the offseason we are about to sign a 6'3 PG to a long term deal

Bub is such a weird prospect. He looks great on paper (young, tall, long, pretty looking off-the-dribble jump shot), but I don't buy him as a point guard given his inability to create advantages and get to (let alone finish) at the rim. I'm not sure you can have a point guard who never gets into the paint and who's go to move is a tough turnaround midranger. He's a little like Demar without the driving. His first step is just so slow.

Carrington as an off-guard is a much less appealing outcome (like a GTJ with a less proven jump-shot that works better off the dribble than on catch and shoot). He also had a lower 3pt % than Collier (albeit on more attempts), so I'm not sure where the faith that he becomes a knock-down 3pt shooter comes from

He has far better handle and passing ability than GTJ. His AST/TOV ratio is better than Collier as well.

He doesn't have the quickest first step but coming off of screens is able to find his shot and was effective in doing so at a young age. I'd be more worried about his at the rim finishing if he was a small guard but at 6'5 I think its reasonable to expect him to get decent looks from floater range if he can't get all the way to the rim. There are larger guards who can make due in the NBA rn because of their length and touch even if they aren't Maxey fast.

In his senior year at St. Frances Academy, Carrington averaged over 26.0 points, 7.0 rebounds, 6.0 assists, and 2.0 steals per game, with shooting splits of 49/38/86, while also setting a school record with over 1,000 points in a season. This combined with his pretty good FT% (79%)at Pitt gives me confidence that his shot it a lot better than he showed in his one year at college. I don't have any of that to lean on with Isiah. He may not pop as much as Isiah but I think the skill set he has now is easier to build upon than the one Isiah has. Isiah would have to become a higher volume shooter in midrange and from 3 to be a complete PG in today's NBA.

I have more faith he is a decent catch and shoot player as an off guard than Collier, and I don't see Collier being good enough to be the lead guard when playing next to IQ/Barnes.

[Rapsfan07]

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Would Topic be an instant pick if available at 19?

Give him all season to recover if need be. If team is bad, better position for 2025 draft?

Though, I can still see teams with multiple FRP (Spurs, Blazers) roll the dice and take him with their 2nd FRP.

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I may be alone on this, but it would depend on who's available for me. I would still probably take Collier, Carter and Holmes over Topic.

I completely agree.

[Rapsfan07]

16ppg 19.7yr old freshman at 19th pick. Other available players are older than him.

See I'd rather have Carrington. A little younger and similarly not a vertical athlete, has the same PPP in isolation as Collier (0.94) and had a 25AST% (lower than Collier but still good).

I think Carrington can be a 36-38% 3PT shooter as a rookie taking C&S looks with some pullups sprinkled in and I don't have that faith with Collier. His 3PAr was high at 6+ and even with the lower %s, the confidence in the shot and his higher FT% gives me hope that the jumper is legit. Especially given we're about to give IQ a bag, I'd want a more complimentary guard that can play with him over one that would have to share minutes ahead of or he can't play. At 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan, I can see Carlton as a second guard who can playmake next to IQ.

I see the arguments for Collier as a slashing PG who can pass, but on a team with horrendous spacing against NBA defense I'm not sure how good that will look especially in the offseason we are about to sign a 6'3 PG to a long term deal

I’m not the biggest fan of either Collier or Carrington, but you take the best prospect available. We’re not in a position to take based on need (shooting vs slashing).

Carrington’s catch and shoot game wasn’t that consistent even before college. I think it’ll be hard to go from 32.2% to 36%+ in his rookie season.

Carrington’s low frequency at the rim really hampers his upside, although a Lou Will/upgraded GTJr prospect isn’t that bad at 19, the lack of star potential makes it a bit boring. Collier has higher offensive upside, he’s just all round faster and better at slashing, but I think he projects to be a poor defender.

I think I would prefer Collier over Carrington. At the end of the day, we're invested in Quickley so all we'd really be hoping for at minimum is a backup PG. I think Collier has a much better chance of being that than Carrington does.

[Consequence]

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The Raptors are working out the following players tomorrow:

Keion Brooks Jr. (Forward / 6-7 / Washington

Zach Edey / 7-4 / Purdue

Joseph Girard III / 6-2 / Clemson

Emanuel Miller (Forward / 6-7 / TCU

Tyrese Samuel (Forward / 6-10 / Florida

Jahmir Young / 6-1 / Maryland

[grant101]

See I'd rather have Carrington. A little younger and similarly not a vertical athlete, has the same PPP in isolation as Collier (0.94) and had a 25AST% (lower than Collier but still good).

I think Carrington can be a 36-38% 3PT shooter as a rookie taking C&S looks with some pullups sprinkled in and I don't have that faith with Collier. His 3PAr was high at 6+ and even with the lower %s, the confidence in the shot and his higher FT% gives me hope that the jumper is legit. Especially given we're about to give IQ a bag, I'd want a more complimentary guard that can play with him over one that would have to share minutes ahead of or he can't play. At 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan, I can see Carlton as a second guard who can playmake next to IQ.

I see the arguments for Collier as a slashing PG who can pass, but on a team with horrendous spacing against NBA defense I'm not sure how good that will look especially in the offseason we are about to sign a 6'3 PG to a long term deal

Bub is such a weird prospect. He looks great on paper (young, tall, long, pretty looking off-the-dribble jump shot), but I don't buy him as a point guard given his inability to create advantages and get to (let alone finish) at the rim. I'm not sure you can have a point guard who never gets into the paint and who's go to move is a tough turnaround midranger. He's a little like Demar without the driving. His first step is just so slow.

Carrington as an off-guard is a much less appealing outcome (like a GTJ with a less proven jump-shot that works better off the dribble than on catch and shoot). He also had a lower 3pt % than Collier (albeit on more attempts), so I'm not sure where the faith that he becomes a knock-down 3pt shooter comes from

He has far better handle and passing ability than GTJ. His AST/TOV ratio is better than Collier as well.

He doesn't have the quickest first step but coming off of screens is able to find his shot and was effective in doing so at a young age. I'd be more worried about his at the rim finishing if he was a small guard but at 6'5 I think its reasonable to expect him to get decent looks from floater range if he can't get all the way to the rim. There are larger guards who can make due in the NBA rn because of their length and touch even if they aren't Maxey fast.

In his senior year at St. Frances Academy, Carrington averaged over 26.0 points, 7.0 rebounds, 6.0 assists, and 2.0 steals per game, with shooting splits of 49/38/86, while also setting a school record with over 1,000 points in a season. This combined with his pretty good FT% (79%)at Pitt gives me confidence that his shot it a lot better than he showed in his one year at college. I don't have any of that to lean on with Isiah. He may not pop as much as Isiah but I think the skill set he has now is easier to build upon than the one Isiah has. Isiah would have to become a higher volume shooter in midrange and from 3 to be a complete PG in today's NBA.

I have more faith he is a decent catch and shoot player as an off guard than Collier, and I don't see Collier being good enough to be the lead guard when playing next to IQ/Barnes.

Like I mentioned/alluded to, Bub "finding his shot" was almost always a turnaround, step-back or pull-up jumper. I think we may just differ on the skill set we want out of our lead ball-handlers. For me, you need to be able to collapse the defence to some degree which Bub just doesn't do. I can't think of any effective offences run by point guards in his mold.

Also, Collier shot the exact same percentage as Bub at highschool (38%), which is obviously a closer line, so again, I don't see how folks are so confident he's going to be some knock-down 3pt shooter and Collier is going to struggle. In addition, his shooting off the catch looks much weirder/slower than off-the-dribble. He's also not much of a cutter, and is just ok at attacking close-outs, so I don't share the optimism you have with his off-ball potential.

Of the two, I just think Collier brings so much more to the table and can step in as your back-up pg and lead second units. USC's spacing sucked, you put shooters around him and instant offence. You worry about fit with the starting line-up only when you've got the talent. we're not there yet.

[DG88]

https://www.theringer.com/2024/6/3/24170096/mock-draft-questions-with-jonathan-givony-college-sleepers-with-tate-frazier-devin-carter-interview

[WuTang_CMB]

some analysis on the bigs

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scouting-top-end-bigs-donovan-clingan-zach-edey-kelel/id1561566975?i=1000655346484

These guys absolutely shyt on clingan, edey, ware

Lol

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Raptorfan2012]

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The Raptors are working out the following players tomorrow:

Keion Brooks Jr. (Forward / 6-7 / Washington

Zach Edey / 7-4 / Purdue

Joseph Girard III / 6-2 / Clemson

Emanuel Miller (Forward / 6-7 / TCU

Tyrese Samuel (Forward / 6-10 / Florida

Jahmir Young / 6-1 / Maryland

So we are basically just working out Zach Edey and brought other dudes along to help out.

Do we even need to stage a work out for Edey? Just ask Daddy Barrett to host an unofficial Team Canada workout with Kelly O and RJ and others and see how Edey plays out.

[C_Money]

Yves Missi looks way better to me than where the mock drafts have him going. My question is why did he only play 23 MPG? Foul trouble?

[grant101]

some analysis on the bigs

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scouting-top-end-bigs-donovan-clingan-zach-edey-kelel/id1561566975?i=1000655346484

These guys absolutely shyt on clingan, edey, ware

Lol

Yup. High on Holmes though. You may not agree with their conclusions (i don't agree with their takes on McCain), but they provide solid analysis and reasoning worth considering.

[WuTang_CMB]

some analysis on the bigs

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scouting-top-end-bigs-donovan-clingan-zach-edey-kelel/id1561566975?i=1000655346484

These guys absolutely shyt on clingan, edey, ware

Lol

Yup. High on Holmes though. You may not agree with their conclusions (i don't agree with their takes on McCain), but they provide solid analysis and reasoning worth considering.

All their critiques were spot on IMO

[ItsDanger]

some analysis on the bigs

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scouting-top-end-bigs-donovan-clingan-zach-edey-kelel/id1561566975?i=1000655346484

I started listening to it in the background. My advice to them is pay attention to other league's drafts. Not every player has to be great at every aspect, and until they get off that stance, their opinions are lacking.

[Syd-TK3]

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The Raptors are working out the following players tomorrow:

Keion Brooks Jr. (Forward / 6-7 / Washington

Zach Edey / 7-4 / Purdue

Joseph Girard III / 6-2 / Clemson

Emanuel Miller (Forward / 6-7 / TCU

Tyrese Samuel (Forward / 6-10 / Florida

Jahmir Young / 6-1 / Maryland

It's still early but we really not working out many clear cut first round guys
I might aswell just accept the fact that were drafting Edey if he's there at 19. Not my pick personally but I'm fine with being wrong

[WuTang_CMB]

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The Raptors are working out the following players tomorrow:

Keion Brooks Jr. (Forward / 6-7 / Washington

Zach Edey / 7-4 / Purdue

Joseph Girard III / 6-2 / Clemson

Emanuel Miller (Forward / 6-7 / TCU

Tyrese Samuel (Forward / 6-10 / Florida

Jahmir Young / 6-1 / Maryland

So we are basically just working out Zach Edey and brought other dudes along to help out.

Do we even need to stage a work out for Edey? Just ask Daddy Barrett to host an unofficial Team Canada workout with Kelly O and RJ and others and see how Edey plays out.

A few canadians are in there (edey, miller, samuel). Likely on purpose

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I've always figured Miller was going to be one of our summer league targets. He feel like the type of older Canadian guy they'd try to funnel to the 905.