Indiana Fever 2024

[EmperorLocky]

Whoever Clark's team-mate is that dilly dally'd over to help Caitlyn up needs to go.

[Wingy]

Whoever Clark's team-mate is that dilly dally'd over to help Caitlyn up needs to go.

Heh…not happening. That was last draft’s #1 overall pick Aliyah Boston.

Maybe she doesn’t love playing with Clark? It’s super duper early and premature to draw conclusions, but I wonder if they may be in a situation where nobody’s a bad person, but their games just don’t mesh well and that’s not helping them bond as one would hope. I know Aliyah was in CC’s ear supporting her right after her really rough debut. I think these are players that seem to outsiders like solid people who genuinely want to make it work, but time will tell.

If they were really hitting it off and bonding quickly, not only would one think she’d come over faster, but that she’d have words for Carter sticking up for her teammate. Then again, idk if that’s in Boston’s personality. Plus, I’ve read, and observed in my brief time following the league that rookies seem to get initiated even rougher in the W than on the men’s side. Perhaps Aliyah was more like “been there, done that” just last year?

Not a fan of it. Imagine if there was some freak thing, say a wet spot and she got badly hurt on a play like that. The W should protect its players with dumb **** like that, especially as more and more rookie classes will be higher and higher profile over time.

[MrDollarBills]

Whoever Clark's team-mate is that dilly dally'd over to help Caitlyn up needs to go.

Her name is Aliyah Boston, one of the best young bigs in the sport.

Why does she needs to go though??

I wish yall had this same energy when Angel Reese got chokeslammed last week

[sikma42]

Whoever Clark's team-mate is that dilly dally'd over to help Caitlyn up needs to go.

Her name is Aliyah Boston, one of the best young bigs in the sport.

Why does she needs to go though??

I wish yall had this same energy when Angel Reese got chokeslammed last week

The most interesting part is no one is questioning why they didn’t help. They know CC better than we do.


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[MrDollarBills]

Whoever Clark's team-mate is that dilly dally'd over to help Caitlyn up needs to go.

Her name is Aliyah Boston, one of the best young bigs in the sport.

Why does she needs to go though??

I wish yall had this same energy when Angel Reese got chokeslammed last week

The most interesting part is no one is questioning why they didn’t help. They know CC better than we do.


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Boston ran over to pick her up, smiled and said something to CC, most likely something to the extent of "don't let them get to you". I always notice that AB is constantly in Clark's ear coaching her up, because there are times where Clark has been visibly upset and needed to get refocused.

Now me personally, if that was my teammate, I'm gonna have words with Carter. But AB is different (she's honestly a sweetheart if you've ever seen her interviewed in a casual setting) and she basically ignored Carter to lift CC up. It is what it is.

If I'm a vet on the Fever and I see someone trying to punk my rookie, I'm laying the lumber next time down. I hope the team stops acting soft because an attack on one of us is an attack on all, at least that's how it was when I played team sports.

[cdubbz]

Liberty slaughtered the Fever 104-68.

CC had 3 points in 29minutes against the Liberty. Boston had 5 points in 26. Both left the game with injuries.

yikes. hard to imagine that a team can be so bad especially with how limited the draft is where teams get multiple shots at good players.

[MrDollarBills]

Liberty slaughtered the Fever 104-68.

CC had 3 points in 29minutes against the Liberty. Boston had 5 points in 26. Both left the game with injuries.

yikes. hard to imagine that a team can be so bad especially with how limited the draft is where teams get multiple shots at good players.

Indiana only won 13 games last season and has a fairly young roster. The Liberty are the runner up finalist team. I would have been highly upset as a Liberty fan if we -didn't- beat them down like this

[K N U C K L E S]

Liberty slaughtered the Fever 104-68.

CC had 3 points in 29minutes against the Liberty. Boston had 5 points in 26. Both left the game with injuries.

yikes. hard to imagine that a team can be so bad especially with how limited the draft is where teams get multiple shots at good players.

Considering that women's college basketball is a joke, how do we really know how good she is? UCONN makes it to the final 4 EVERY year for the last ~25 years. When you look at the scoreboard on any day during the season, most scores are like 104-61. Until Iowa just won the national championship, it was always 1 of the same 4 or 5 teams winning it. And since she's gone, they'll probably go back to being irrelevant.

Having said all that, with the way she's been treated on AND off the field(especially off). She should tell the WNBA to go **** itself and go somewhere where she'll be appreciated. Why doesn't the WNBA protect its stars like the NBA does? She's the Lebron James of the WNBA. She's putting the league on the map. Its happening because the WNBA is just a pet project of NBA owners and not actually a for profit business. In 20+ years of existence, they've never made a profit(or so I've heard). If you're not concerned about profit, you're not gonna do the things you would normally do to protect your business. Maybe the WNBA is just a virtue signal. Maybe she's not being protected because she's white. We know it doesn't matter that she's female. The women's liberation movement was flushed down the toilet overnight in favor of guys who can't compete with other guys making a mockery of women's sports. I'm suprised there's no trans people in the WNBA yet. Its just a matter of time.

[Braggins]

Erica Wheeler through 10 games is shooting 34.9% fg, 20.0% 3pt, 66.7% ft, and has a -34 net rating with -.04 win shares.

I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but the favoritism Sides shows towards her is driving me insane lol. Its egregious that she keeps getting penciled in for 20 minutes every night.

[TheSuzerain]

Does the WNBA do mid-season coach firings? Or will Sides have all season?

[TheSuzerain]

Whoever Clark's team-mate is that dilly dally'd over to help Caitlyn up needs to go.

Heh…not happening. That was last draft’s #1 overall pick Aliyah Boston.

Maybe she doesn’t love playing with Clark? It’s super duper early and premature to draw conclusions, but I wonder if they may be in a situation where nobody’s a bad person, but their games just don’t mesh well and that’s not helping them bond as one would hope. I know Aliyah was in CC’s ear supporting her right after her really rough debut. I think these are players that seem to outsiders like solid people who genuinely want to make it work, but time will tell.

If they were really hitting it off and bonding quickly, not only would one think she’d come over faster, but that she’d have words for Carter sticking up for her teammate. Then again, idk if that’s in Boston’s personality. Plus, I’ve read, and observed in my brief time following the league that rookies seem to get initiated even rougher in the W than on the men’s side. Perhaps Aliyah was more like “been there, done that” just last year?

Not a fan of it. Imagine if there was some freak thing, say a wet spot and she got badly hurt on a play like that. The W should protect its players with dumb **** like that, especially as more and more rookie classes will be higher and higher profile over time.

They should probably trade Boston for basketball reasons. She's not a fit in Pace/Space style basketball.

[sikma42]

Erica Wheeler through 10 games is shooting 34.9% fg, 20.0% 3pt, 66.7% ft, and has a -34 net rating with -.04 win shares.

I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but the favoritism Sides shows towards her is driving me insane lol. Its egregious that she keeps getting penciled in for 20 minutes every night.

They don't really have a backup point guard. Also, she has only played 20 mins once in the last five games (that was the only game they won). The other games it was 12, 13, 17, and 18 minutes. She isn't getting penciled in for 20 mins a game.

[Braggins]

Erica Wheeler through 10 games is shooting 34.9% fg, 20.0% 3pt, 66.7% ft, and has a -34 net rating with -.04 win shares.

I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but the favoritism Sides shows towards her is driving me insane lol. Its egregious that she keeps getting penciled in for 20 minutes every night.

They don't really have a backup point guard. Also, she has only played 20 mins once in the last five games (that was the only game they won). The other games it was 12, 13, 17, and 18 minutes. She isn't getting penciled in for 20 mins a game.

There is virtually no effective difference between 17/18 minutes and 20 minutes for the purpose of the point I was making... She averages 17.3 mpg for the season.

She shouldn't be getting any minutes. There aren't many minutes with Clark off the floor that even require a dedicated PG and even those minutes should not be going to Wheeler. Grace Berger can play PG and has been easily better in her limited minutes (run Berger/Mitchell with Clark off). When Clark is on the floor both Berger and Hull are both better as the other guard. No one on the roster that has played has been as bad as Wheeler.

[sikma42]

Erica Wheeler through 10 games is shooting 34.9% fg, 20.0% 3pt, 66.7% ft, and has a -34 net rating with -.04 win shares.

I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but the favoritism Sides shows towards her is driving me insane lol. Its egregious that she keeps getting penciled in for 20 minutes every night.

They don't really have a backup point guard. Also, she has only played 20 mins once in the last five games (that was the only game they won). The other games it was 12, 13, 17, and 18 minutes. She isn't getting penciled in for 20 mins a game.

There is virtually no effective difference between 17/18 minutes and 20 minutes for the purpose of the point I was making... She averages 17.3 mpg for the season.

She shouldn't be getting any minutes. There aren't many minutes with Clark off the floor that even require a dedicated PG and even those minutes should not be going to Wheeler. Grace Berger can play PG and has been easily better in her limited minutes (run Berger/Mitchell with Clark off). When Clark is on the floor both Berger and Hull are both better as the other guard. No one on the roster that has played has been as bad as Wheeler.

It’s been 10 games. She is averaging 15 per game over the last 5 games. Obviously the coach is giving her less minutes.

CC has not shown the ability to handle point guard duties for an entire game. They put her off ball to give her a break.

With everything going on with this team, I don’t think Erica Wheelers recent 15 mins per game rank very high on the issue chart


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[TheSuzerain]

They don't really have a backup point guard. Also, she has only played 20 mins once in the last five games (that was the only game they won). The other games it was 12, 13, 17, and 18 minutes. She isn't getting penciled in for 20 mins a game.

There is virtually no effective difference between 17/18 minutes and 20 minutes for the purpose of the point I was making... She averages 17.3 mpg for the season.

She shouldn't be getting any minutes. There aren't many minutes with Clark off the floor that even require a dedicated PG and even those minutes should not be going to Wheeler. Grace Berger can play PG and has been easily better in her limited minutes (run Berger/Mitchell with Clark off). When Clark is on the floor both Berger and Hull are both better as the other guard. No one on the roster that has played has been as bad as Wheeler.

It’s been 10 games. She is averaging 15 per game over the last 5 games. Obviously the coach is giving her less minutes.

CC has not shown the ability to handle point guard duties for an entire game. They put her off ball to give her a break.

With everything going on with this team, I don’t think Erica Wheelers recent 15 mins per game rank very high on the issue chart


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Erica Wheeler is their top paid player.

That actually does rank very high on the issue chart.

[sikma42]

There is virtually no effective difference between 17/18 minutes and 20 minutes for the purpose of the point I was making... She averages 17.3 mpg for the season.

She shouldn't be getting any minutes. There aren't many minutes with Clark off the floor that even require a dedicated PG and even those minutes should not be going to Wheeler. Grace Berger can play PG and has been easily better in her limited minutes (run Berger/Mitchell with Clark off). When Clark is on the floor both Berger and Hull are both better as the other guard. No one on the roster that has played has been as bad as Wheeler.

It’s been 10 games. She is averaging 15 per game over the last 5 games. Obviously the coach is giving her less minutes.

CC has not shown the ability to handle point guard duties for an entire game. They put her off ball to give her a break.

With everything going on with this team, I don’t think Erica Wheelers recent 15 mins per game rank very high on the issue chart


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Erica Wheeler is their top paid player.

That actually does rank very high on the issue chart.

You are conflating. Those are two issues, 1) the high salary and 2) whether playing her over other players is negatively affecting winning on the court (you can be overpaid and still help the team).

[TheSuzerain]

Fever should sign Ezi Magbegor in the offseason. Also Meessemans/Fiebich from the international ranks.

[Wingy]

Erica Wheeler through 10 games is shooting 34.9% fg, 20.0% 3pt, 66.7% ft, and has a -34 net rating with -.04 win shares.

I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but the favoritism Sides shows towards her is driving me insane lol. Its egregious that she keeps getting penciled in for 20 minutes every night.

They don't really have a backup point guard. Also, she has only played 20 mins once in the last five games (that was the only game they won). The other games it was 12, 13, 17, and 18 minutes. She isn't getting penciled in for 20 mins a game.

We see it all the time in the NBA. Coaches love vets. Not surprising the same goes on in the WNBA. It is what it is for this season with Wheeler.

But go on and continue to complain, because that’s our job here!

[Braggins]

You are conflating. Those are two issues, 1) the high salary and 2) whether playing her over other players is negatively affecting winning on the court (you can be overpaid and still help the team).

Shes obviously negatively affecting them on the court. Her playing actively hurts the team. This aspect isn't really debatable. Thats the entire point.

You can deflect by saying its no the absolute biggest issue, but it is probably the most obvious and easily fixed issue they have (which is why its so annoying to me). Most of the games so far they've been so overmatched that Wheeler playing usually hasn't been the difference between them winning and losing, but you could say that about any single issue most games. Now that they are getting into the easier part of the schedule where the games should be more competitive, her minutes actually could end up being the difference between a win and a loss on any given night.

This isn't just a 10 game issue. There is no reason to expect anything different moving forward and I feel like just about anyone paying attention to their team recently could have seen this coming a mile away. I'll just refer back to a previous post in this thread.

She looked completely unplayable to me last season and looking through her career stats she shot 38% from the field over the last two seasons and is sub 40% for her career (low 30% from 3pt). Career averages are about 9/3/4 and shes had a negative net rating every year of her career. Her net rating by year since entering the league is -14, -15, -17, -15, -7, -5, -19, -8, and no team she has played on has ever had a winning record.

[sikma42]

You are conflating. Those are two issues, 1) the high salary and 2) whether playing her over other players is negatively affecting winning on the court (you can be overpaid and still help the team).

Shes obviously negatively affecting them on the court. Her playing actively hurts the team. This aspect isn't really debatable. Thats the entire point.

You can deflect by saying its no the absolute biggest issue, but it is probably the most obvious and easily fixed issue they have (which is why its so annoying to me). Most of the games so far they've been so overmatched that Wheeler playing usually hasn't been the difference between them winning and losing, but you could say that about any single issue most games. Now that they are getting into the easier part of the schedule where the games should be more competitive, her minutes actually could end up being the difference between a win and a loss on any given night.

This isn't just a 10 game issue. There is no reason to expect anything different moving forward and I feel like just about anyone paying attention to their team recently could have seen this coming a mile away. I'll just refer back to a previous post in this thread.

She looked completely unplayable to me last season and looking through her career stats she shot 38% from the field over the last two seasons and is sub 40% for her career (low 30% from 3pt). Career averages are about 9/3/4 and shes had a negative net rating every year of her career. Her net rating by year since entering the league is -14, -15, -17, -15, -7, -5, -19, -8, and no team she has played on has ever had a winning record.

Who do you think should run point guard when CC sits or is at the two guard? I just don’t think the difference between those two outputs is top 3 on the list of things that need to change. Also don’t know what losing her veteran presence does to this young locker room. Seems obvious her minutes are already getting cut. Bigger issues for example:

Kristy Wallace and Kate Samuelson: Kristy can’t guard at the 3 and Samuelson can’t guard at all. I get they want more spacing, but they aren’t good enough defenders at these positions.

Overall playstyle: They need to find a way to go through Boston at times and move off the ball. They can’t just stand still when she gets a post touch.

General point of attack defense: players are just blowing by them.

Until they work out how they want to play and general defensive principles, it’s just gonna be a mess.


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