Atlanta Hawks win #1 Pick in 2024 Draft Lottery

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Hawks reportedly open to trading back for more swings in this draft class.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm curious:

Would you guys consider trading #1 to Utah Jazz for Lauri Markkannen and #10?

Hawks get a veteran shooter with size as a win now move, but still can add a young depth piece like Kel'el, Edey, Knecht or Devin Carter.

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The first part of this is depressing talking about all of our draft misses.
Pau for Shareef Abdur Rahiim....ouch!

[tbhawksfan1]

I'm curious:

Would you guys consider trading #1 to Utah Jazz for Lauri Markkannen and #10?

Hawks get a veteran shooter with size as a win now move, but still can add a young depth piece like Kel'el, Edey, Knecht or Devin Carter.

Your trade seems incomplete. What salary is going out?

[jayu70]

Heard on the Wizards board:
Wizards fans are afraid Risacher = Otto Porter
Atlanta fans are afraid Risacher = DeAndre Hunter.

[Whole Truth]

I'm curious:

Would you guys consider trading #1 to Utah Jazz for Lauri Markkannen and #10?

Hawks get a veteran shooter with size as a win now move, but still can add a young depth piece like Kel'el, Edey, Knecht or Devin Carter.

Is this with an intent to play him at PF or C ?

Markkanen is a product of system & great young coach. He's still the same player that got tossed around between the Bulls & Cavs.

Check his assisted rate. I think it's something like 90% of his makes are assisted. He might be a better player now but his value is inflated. I see the potential offensive fit with Young, not so much the defensive one.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm curious:

Would you guys consider trading #1 to Utah Jazz for Lauri Markkannen and #10?

Hawks get a veteran shooter with size as a win now move, but still can add a young depth piece like Kel'el, Edey, Knecht or Devin Carter.

Is this with an intent to play him at PF or C ?

Markkanen is a product of system & great young coach. He's still the same player that got tossed around between the Bulls & Cavs.

Check his assisted rate. I think it's something like 90% of his makes are assisted. He might be a better player now but his value is inflated. I see the potential offensive fit with Young, not so much the defensive one.

I'm thinking Okongwu-Jalen-Lauri in the front court together. We get a 3&D SG next to Trae and suddenly we're flush with offensive options and defensive versatility.

Markkannen would guard the least of opposing front courts.(McDaniels of Minny, Horford of Celtics, Nesmith of Pacers, Anunoby of Knicks, Lopez of Milwaukee)

[jayu70]

It will be interesting to see Risacher's combine measurements.

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According to this Sarr was already 7'1" at 12 years old and Risacher was 6'10" at 12 years old....?

[Jamaaliver]

According to this Sarr was already 7'1" at 12 years old and Risacher was 6'10" at 12 years old....?

Nice catch.

[Whole Truth]

I'm curious:

Would you guys consider trading #1 to Utah Jazz for Lauri Markkannen and #10?

Hawks get a veteran shooter with size as a win now move, but still can add a young depth piece like Kel'el, Edey, Knecht or Devin Carter.

Is this with an intent to play him at PF or C ?

Markkanen is a product of system & great young coach. He's still the same player that got tossed around between the Bulls & Cavs.

Check his assisted rate. I think it's something like 90% of his makes are assisted. He might be a better player now but his value is inflated. I see the potential offensive fit with Young, not so much the defensive one.

I'm thinking Okongwu-Jalen-Lauri in the front court together. We get a 3&D SG next to Trae and suddenly we're flush with offensive options and defensive versatility.

Markkannen would guard the least of opposing front courts.(McDaniels of Minny, Horford of Celtics, Nesmith of Pacers, Anunoby of Knicks, Lopez of Milwaukee)

NO's link posted a potential trade discussion with Atlanta revolving around (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb).

I posted it on the trade board toa negative reaction but you can't get a better 3D option than Herb at 12m/3yrs, He just won 1st team defense & shot 40% on good volume to a be elite on both ends at a great value point.

I consider Hunters 20m/4y contract a neutral to negative asset with Murray 30m/4y being a poor fit. Makes up BI's upcoming extension.

Where you trade #1 to Utah for Markannen. This trade gives you BI an avenue to extend him & Herb. Where Atlanta not owning their draft doesn't risk taking a swing at potential & missing.

BI has the versatility to play 2-4 & where most of Markannen's makes are assisted. BI has more creation & playmaking ability to his better versatility. As far as the #1 pick in this draft is concerned. Herb is a proven elite defensive floor spacer at 12m, where Sarr is just potential at 12m with Okongwu proven young potential but ready to start. Sarr's camp want him going to a situation where he can start but he's still raw potential.

Okongwu
BI/Johnson
Johnson/BI
Herb
Young

[NDaATL]

Is this with an intent to play him at PF or C ?

Markkanen is a product of system & great young coach. He's still the same player that got tossed around between the Bulls & Cavs.

Check his assisted rate. I think it's something like 90% of his makes are assisted. He might be a better player now but his value is inflated. I see the potential offensive fit with Young, not so much the defensive one.

I'm thinking Okongwu-Jalen-Lauri in the front court together. We get a 3&D SG next to Trae and suddenly we're flush with offensive options and defensive versatility.

Markkannen would guard the least of opposing front courts.(McDaniels of Minny, Horford of Celtics, Nesmith of Pacers, Anunoby of Knicks, Lopez of Milwaukee)

NO's link posted a potential trade discussion with Atlanta revolving around (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb).

I posted it on the trade board toa negative reaction but you can't get a better 3D option than Herb at 12m/3yrs, He just won 1st team defense & shot 40% on good volume to a be elite on both ends at a great value point.

I consider Hunters 20m/4y contract a neutral to negative asset with Murray 30m/4y being a poor fit. Makes up BI's upcoming extension.

Where you trade #1 to Utah for Markannen. This trade gives you BI an avenue to extend him & Herb. Where Atlanta not owning their draft doesn't risk taking a swing at potential & missing.

BI has the versatility to play 2-4 & where most of Markannen's makes are assisted. BI has more creation & playmaking ability to his better versatility. As far as the #1 pick in this draft is concerned. Herb is a proven elite defensive floor spacer at 12m, where Sarr is just potential at 12m with Okongwu proven young potential but ready to start. Sarr's camp want him going to a situation where he can start but he's still raw potential.

Okongwu
BI/Johnson
Johnson/BI
Herb
Young

No thanks. Murray > Herb AND we are throwing in the #1 overall? LOL. Murray is locked up on an extremely reasonable contract for the next 4 years and has already made an all-star team.

Ingram is negative value considering he wants 50 million a year. Sorry, no.

Take out the #1 pick and it's a conversation.

[CP War Hawks]

I'd do BI and Jones for DJM and Capela with Sac pick. We'd just keep DH off the bench where he's shown great production, and take it from there.

[Whole Truth]

[ No thanks. Murray > Herb AND we are throwing in the #1 overall? LOL. Murray is locked up on an extremely reasonable contract for the next 4 years and has already made an all-star team.

Ingram is negative value considering he wants 50 million a year. Sorry, no.

Take out the #1 pick and it's a conversation.

Herb is on a 12m/3yr contract Murray is on a 30m/4yr contract.
Herb just got selected 1st team all defense & he can guard multiple positions
Murray outside the PG spot is not a strong defender.
Herb shot 40% from 3 on 4 APG
Murray shot 37% from 3 on 7 APG
The only reason Murray's offensive production is higher, is because his usage is higher.
Tell me again why Hawks are trading him after giving up 3 drafts to get him ?

Herb had the Pelicans 6th in defense starting 4 offensive players with him & would be a much better defensive compliment to Young than Murray.

Your turn to tell me why Murray is better or a better fit. Then you can tell me Hunter is also a better player & value than BI too. Pretty sure BI made the All star team too..

[NDaATL]

[ No thanks. Murray > Herb AND we are throwing in the #1 overall? LOL. Murray is locked up on an extremely reasonable contract for the next 4 years and has already made an all-star team.

Ingram is negative value considering he wants 50 million a year. Sorry, no.

Take out the #1 pick and it's a conversation.

Herb is on a 12m/3yr contract Murray is on a 30m/4yr contract.
Herb just got selected 1st team all defense & he can guard multiple positions
Murray outside the PG spot is not a strong defender.
Herb shot 40% from 3 on 4 APG
Murray shot 37% from 3 on 7 APG
The only reason Murray's offensive production is higher, is because his usage is higher.
Tell me again why Hawks are trading him after giving up 3 drafts to get him ?

Herb had the Pelicans 6th in defense starting 4 offensive player with him.

Your turn to tell me why Murray is better or a better fit. Then you can tell if Hunter is better value than BI too.

It has nothing to do with fit. Murray is a very good PG who has made an all-star team. As a starting PG he is a borderline all-star and will make more ASGs. He will play mostly PG for New Orleans. Just because he is a bad fit on the Hawks roster (we already have an all-star PG) doesn't mean we sell low on him. Murray is one of the better deals in the NBA in terms of contract + production. Lots of teams need a starting PG, Murray will generate a good return. So if that trade isn't with NO, so be it.

Murray is a much much better offensive player than Jones, regardless of usage, it's not even close. This is a laughable argument and noone would agree with you. Murray is also no slouch defensively (especially at PG), he has also made an all-defensive team.

No team is winning anything with Brandon Ingram making 50 million a year. Unless he is the missing piece to a contender that was already very close to winning it all and they are willing to go into the 2nd apron of luxury tax for him. He is negative value based on his contract demands.

The reason noone agreed with you on the trades forum is because the trade is lopsided in favor of NO.

Take away the #1 pick and this trade is fair.

[dms269]

I really think Atlanta is hesitant to give up #1 in that type of deal. BY doing it you are saying you will max Ingram (huge mistake) and that Herb is worth #1+another first (difference in Murray to Ingram), which I am not sure of. Yes Herb is an amazing defender, but his offense and the rest of his game still needs some work (bad rebounder). Typically with higher usage comes lower %s.

[Whole Truth]

[ No thanks. Murray > Herb AND we are throwing in the #1 overall? LOL. Murray is locked up on an extremely reasonable contract for the next 4 years and has already made an all-star team.

Ingram is negative value considering he wants 50 million a year. Sorry, no.

Take out the #1 pick and it's a conversation.

Herb is on a 12m/3yr contract Murray is on a 30m/4yr contract.
Herb just got selected 1st team all defense & he can guard multiple positions
Murray outside the PG spot is not a strong defender.
Herb shot 40% from 3 on 4 APG
Murray shot 37% from 3 on 7 APG
The only reason Murray's offensive production is higher, is because his usage is higher.
Tell me again why Hawks are trading him after giving up 3 drafts to get him ?

Herb had the Pelicans 6th in defense starting 4 offensive player with him.

Your turn to tell me why Murray is better or a better fit. Then you can tell if Hunter is better value than BI too.

It has nothing to do with fit. Murray is a very good PG who has made an all-star team. As a starting PG he is a borderline all-star and will make more ASGs. He will play mostly PG for New Orleans. Just because he is a bad fit on the Hawks roster (we already have an all-star PG) doesn't mean we sell low on him. Murray is one of the better deals in the NBA in terms of contract + production. Lots of teams need a starting PG, Murray will generate a good return. So if that trade isn't with NO, so be it.

Murray is a much much better offensive player than Jones, regardless of usage, it's not even close. This is a laughable argument and noone would agree with you. Murray is also no slouch defensively (especially at PG), he has also made an all-defensive team.

No team is winning anything with Brandon Ingram making 50 million a year. Unless he is the missing piece to a contender that was already very close to winning it all and they are willing to go into the 2nd apron of luxury tax for him. He is negative value based on his contract demands.

The reason noone agreed with you on the trades forum is because the trade is lopsided in favor of NO.

Take away the #1 pick and this trade is fair.

The trade is not Murray for Herb. If you encompass the trade BI & Murray are closer in compared value, similar offensive production, both having made the all star team etc, Murray has a better contract than BI, Herb's 12m/3yr offsets the financial aspect in trade with Atlanta moving off of Hunters 20m/4yrs

Where Young is concerned, Herb is a proven elite defensive wing who can space the floor at 12m. Sarr projected to be #1 is a defensive prospect with offensive potential where development plays a factor. Hawks miss in this uncertain draft, they don't own their draft rights for the next 3 yrs to potentially rebuild.

IMO BI & Herb make your team better without the risk of potential, you disagree & that's fine.

You take the #1 pick out, there not a NO fan that would trade Herb.