Rudy Gobert value and offers

[Astaluego]

There are rumors that Tim Connelly could leave the Wolves, the uncertainty about ownership, the second apron and/or great financial offers from elsewhere... and I think he was the great supporter of the trade for Rudy Gobert...
Added to the fact that he is major for the Wolves core and some more uncertainties about what can be exploited in the Playoffs... let's say they hear offers for Rudy...
What type of trade would make sense for you?
What teams do you think would offer or what offer would you make to obtain him?

[Texas Chuck]

They should not trade their best player.

[Godaddycurse]

They should not trade their best player.

their best *reg season player. But i agree they shouldn't be trading him

[Texas Chuck]

They should not trade their best player.

their best *reg season player. But i agree they shouldn't be trading him

yeah I'm not here for anyone's Rudy sucks in the playoffs takes.

In the playoffs the Wolves were plus 10 with Rudy on the court. +5 with ANT, barely a push with Towns. Factor in how the team played without them on the court and Rudy is now +16, Edwards barely better than with him off, and Town a big negative.

He's their best player. Whenever games are played.

[gswhoops]

I think if any of the big 3 get traded, it's KAT.

[babyjax13]

If I'm Atlanta I'm offering Murray and Okongwu for Gobert. Trae and Gobert compliment each other so well and Snyder knows how to use him.

[Colbinii]

They should not trade their best player.

their best *reg season player. But i agree they shouldn't be trading him

Who was better than him in the post-season?

[Godaddycurse]

They should not trade their best player.

their best *reg season player. But i agree they shouldn't be trading him

Who was better than him in the post-season?

Ant

[Texas Chuck]

their best *reg season player. But i agree they shouldn't be trading him

Who was better than him in the post-season?

Ant

Offensively? Oh of course. Overall? Help me with how you arrived there, because it felt clear Gobert continued to be their primary driver and certainly the plus/minus data continues to show as it has since the day he arrived, nobody is impacting games in a positive way more than him. And in watching the games, the other team's big runs always seemed to come as soon as he sat down.

I know Minny won a game big against Denver that he missed. But that's one game. So what am I missing?

[jayjaysee]

We played this a couple days ago.

Atlanta is the best option I think. Whether it’s OO or dumping Capela on a third team.

I really like Orlando, but was alone in that.

Chicago could try to win a playoff series by adding Rudy?

[Texas Chuck]

We played this a couple days ago.

Atlanta is the best option I think. Whether it’s OO or dumping Capela on a third team.

I really like Orlando, but was alone in that.

Chicago could try to win a playoff series by adding Rudy?

I like Orlando too fwiw. Their fans turn up their noses at center upgrades particularly defensive ones because they are already so good defensively. But I think about how elite they could become defensively upgrading Carter/Wagner and they still would be able to address the offensive upgrades they need. But sometimes its okay to add to your strength. Gobert would absolutely be additive.

[Godaddycurse]

Who was better than him in the post-season?

Ant

Offensively? Oh of course. Overall? Help me with how you arrived there, because it felt clear Gobert continued to be their primary driver and certainly the plus/minus data continues to show as it has since the day he arrived, nobody is impacting games in a positive way more than him. And in watching the games, the other team's big runs always seemed to come as soon as he sat down.

I know Minny won a game big against Denver that he missed. But that's one game. So what am I missing?

we have different interpretations of what makes a better player. Ant carried his team offensively and elevated his game in the playoffs. Gobert's numbers took a down turn compared to regular season (less pts/reb%/blk%)

[Texas Chuck]

we have different interpretations of what makes a better player. Ant carried his team offensively and elevated his game in the playoffs. Gobert's numbers took a down turn compared to regular season (less pts/reb%/blk%)

Okay. But if player A elevates his game to a level still lower than level B's down turned level, why does that make player A better?

And as far as numbers go, do you honestly think Gobert's impact is measured by box score numbers? That can't possibly capture the enormous defensive impact he has?

If the answer is just the offense guy wins for you fair enough. Though that would surprise me considering how highly you valued OG, value Poeltl, and value Barnes over some better offensive players. I'll disagree that offensive guys are always more valuable than defensive ones. My boy Dirk was great and way better than Timmy on offense, but Duncan was the more valuable, better player as much as it burns me to admit it.

[Colbinii]

Ant

Offensively? Oh of course. Overall? Help me with how you arrived there, because it felt clear Gobert continued to be their primary driver and certainly the plus/minus data continues to show as it has since the day he arrived, nobody is impacting games in a positive way more than him. And in watching the games, the other team's big runs always seemed to come as soon as he sat down.

I know Minny won a game big against Denver that he missed. But that's one game. So what am I missing?

we have different interpretations of what makes a better player. Ant carried his team offensively and elevated his game in the playoffs. Gobert's numbers took a down turn compared to regular season (less pts/reb%/blk%)

Yet the team's performance with Gobert was better

I'd say, as someone who watched all the games, have followed the team closely all year and spend too much time with PBP data, Gobert was clearly their best player during the regular season AND post-season.

If Anthony Edwards showed up in the WCF then maybe we would have a different NBA Finals match-up, but Anthony Edwards didn't show up in the WCF and instead it was Gobert who showed up in the most pivotal series.

[Colbinii]

I'm looking forward to Minnesota extending Gobert this season.

[Godaddycurse]

we have different interpretations of what makes a better player. Ant carried his team offensively and elevated his game in the playoffs. Gobert's numbers took a down turn compared to regular season (less pts/reb%/blk%)

Okay. But if player A elevates his game to a level still lower than level B's down turned level, why does that make player A better?

And as far as numbers go, do you honestly think Gobert's impact is measured by box score numbers? That can't possibly capture the enormous defensive impact he has?

If the answer is just the offense guy wins for you fair enough. Though that would surprise me considering how highly you valued OG, value Poeltl, and value Barnes over some better offensive players. I'll disagree that offensive guys are always more valuable than defensive ones. My boy Dirk was great and way better than Timmy on offense, but Duncan was the more valuable, better player as much as it burns me to admit it.

I didnt say gobert wasn't valuable? i just value players who can turn it up a notch and carry their team on their back in the playoffs (im spoiled by kawhi's great run in 18-19 playoffs). If the raptors had a player like that right now i would value them more than OG/Poeltl/Barnes too, but we dont

As far as numbers go, individual metrics like VORP, WS, BPM all favor Edwards by a significant margin. Edward is just entering his prime and probably getting better still too.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm looking forward to Minnesota extending Gobert this season.

As a fan of a Western team, I want him to the financial casualty.

But yeah I'd offer him 4 years if he will bring the AAV down to help with aprons.

[Colbinii]

I'm looking forward to Minnesota extending Gobert this season.

As a fan of a Western team, I want him to the financial casualty.

But yeah I'd offer him 4 years if he will bring the AAV down to help with aprons.

I assume that's the case. Something similar to what Jrue Holiday did, where Gobert essentially extends for 4 years starting in 2025-2026 through 2028-2029 starting at 36.8 Million and ending his 4th year at where his 2025-2026 Option would be.

Or maybe it's 3 years starting at 39 Million.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I would have a 2yr80-85 mil extension waiting for Rudy, I thought they can only add two years due to him still having two years under contract technically? But maybe that changed with the CBA? Or maybe I was wrong.

Celebrate if he takes it. Decide if I want to take a step back/lateral in a KAT trade or just run it back. But if Rudy is locked up for 4 more years, I can do whatever I want around him/McDaniels/Ant.

[Colbinii]

Yeah, I would have a 2yr80-85 mil extension waiting for Rudy, I thought they can only add two years due to him still having two years under contract technically? But maybe that changed with the CBA? Or maybe I was wrong.

Celebrate if he takes it. Decide if I want to take a step back/lateral in a KAT trade or just run it back. But if Rudy is locked up for 4 more years, I can do whatever I want around him/McDaniels/Ant.

You're probably right. I'm not positive how it works with options.