Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[DaGawd]

Knicks Trade: Mitchell Robinson ($15,681,81, $14,318,182, $12,954,546)

OKC Trade: Josh Giddy ($6,587,040, $8,352,367, $11,142,057)

Brunson/Deuce/Giddy/?
Devi/Hart/Burke/Giddy
O.G./Hart/Giddy/Burke
Randall/O.G./Hart/Precious
IHart/ ? /Precious/Sims

bad trade

[Juco24]

Knicks Trade: Mitchell Robinson ($15,681,81, $14,318,182, $12,954,546)

OKC Trade: Josh Giddy ($6,587,040, $8,352,367, $11,142,057)

Brunson/Deuce/Giddy/?
Devi/Hart/Burke/Giddy
O.G./Hart/Giddy/Burke
Randall/O.G./Hart/Precious
IHart/ ? /Precious/Sims

bad trade

Bad.... is understatement. HORRIBLE

[aggo]

I mean the point of trading Mitch is to get assets.

not necessarily for a sideways move for another backup that will end up playing less MPG than mitch would.

so that giddey trade without FRPs or swaps coming back is a no go.


on JJJ:

if you thought Randle was inefficient offensively, wait until you get to watch JJJ everyday. he is the Mitchell Robinson of offensive players. having a highlight reel doesnt mean you're a good player.

[RHODEY]

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If Mitch is on the block give the Cavs Mitchell and McBride and Bogdanovic and 3 picks for Donovan Mitchell. ReSign IHart, Qualify Achiwa and go to war next year.

Short of that I'd take Jayde Ivey for a heavier pick type package along with McBride.

I don't think we are hot on Donovan anymore....and im happy about that.

[aggo]

if Boston gets bounced:


randle for Jaylen brown

[VirginiaKnickFan]

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If Mitch is on the block give the Cavs Mitchell and McBride and Bogdanovic and 3 picks for Donovan Mitchell. ReSign IHart, Qualify Achiwa and go to war next year.

Short of that I'd take Jayde Ivey for a heavier pick type package along with McBride.

I don't think we are hot on Donovan anymore....and im happy about that.

Agreed.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Taking these latest Rumors and playing in the sandbox


Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

You're not getting a lottery pick even in a weak draft for a guy that routinely misses half the season. You're severely overrating Mitchs value.

[RHODEY]

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Taking these latest Rumors and playing in the sandbox


Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

You're not getting a lottery pick even in a weak draft for a guy that routinely misses half the season. You're severely overrating Mitchs value.

Or maybe you're severely overvaluing the 9th pick in a diluted draft over a DPOY candidate when healthy. Mitch has 10x more value to the Griz than that 9th pick. Enough where they might consider taking a chance on him despite his recent injuries.

[spree2kawhi]

if Boston gets bounced:


randle for Jaylen brown

Can Boston even “get bounced”? They can only lose the Finals. The way I understand the word is probably also how they understand their season: it’s all good. Why would they downgrade?

[HopelessKnick]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

[HopelessKnick]

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Taking these latest Rumors and playing in the sandbox


Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

You're not getting a lottery pick even in a weak draft for a guy that routinely misses half the season. You're severely overrating Mitchs value.

I actually severely doubt any realistic scenario where Bridges ends up in NY this summer. If the Nets decide to move on from Bridges they would trade him to Houston and try to get back control from the picks they traded in the Harden deal. That makes the most sense for them, especially considering the fact that many of those picks may be high picks.

The other route they could go is try to upgrade their talent and make those picks worse...however, their draft picks stock does not look too impressive....if the bundle a bunch of picks etc....the max ceiling I could see would be being a play-in team. I think if Houston goes nuts on Bridges and offers all the Nets' picks back in exchange for Bridges...that may entice the Nets to do it.

The only way I could see Bridges ending up here would be if Bridges firmly declined signing any extension up until 2026 when his contract expires. He does hold some level of leverage due to him only having 2 years remaining....that would be like the only way Houston would step aside in trade talks.

[Luv those Knicks]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

I find those rumors to be very believable, but it wouldn't just be NY interested in him. Articles say the Lakers too and probably other teams.

Bogs for Lauri works straight up salary wise and we could take another player if Utah wants to salary dump, but how many first round picks would it take to get it done?

5? I'm thinking 5. I don't see him coming any cheaper than that, but he'd be a great get.

[Wildcat]

I like Lauri, but he isn't better than Randle and if there is a Lauri trade to the Knicks, you then need to expect Thibs to change his offensive system, which isn't happening. And there's zero -- I mean zero -- chance Ainge trades him for Bogs and picks. He can and will get much more from a buying team.

Irony of this all is Lauri might fit well with Cavs in a Garland trade because Spida can really use that kind of pick and roll/pop player.

[HopelessKnick]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

I find those rumors to be very believable, but it wouldn't just be NY interested in him. Articles say the Lakers too and probably other teams.

Bogs for Lauri works straight up salary wise and we could take another player if Utah wants to salary dump, but how many first round picks would it take to get it done?

5? I'm thinking 5. I don't see him coming any cheaper than that, but he'd be a great get.

I personally disregard the Lakers being mentioned in any trade rumors. They are usually tied to any potentially available star player but they have nowhere close to the assets to get it done. Their picks are tied up in New Orleans and I think the earliest they can trade is a 2029 FRP. They may be able to get 4th tier type of starters with that but not star/all-star level players. We could easily trump any realistic Laker offer.

Knowing Ainge I would agree with you: Probably Bogs and 5 first round picks. The price would be somewhat excessive but I feel like the value of our pick chest is decreasing every offseason (our own picks are now regarded as late FRPs for the foreseeable future) so it may be more wise to invest them into a star player (Even if he wouldn't be the first choice). For example: You get a Markannen and hopefully he fits in and the team goes deep into the playoffs. I think if somewhere down the line you would want to make a move for a better fitting piece...a 20/8 Markannen would be more interesting to teams than 4 FRPs. I personally think a Mitch/Hartenstein along with Lauri and OG frontcourt would work like a treat. Markannen is that rare breed of players that can get you 25points playing off the ball. A lost art in today's NBA.

[KnixinSix]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

First trade:
Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard

Second trade:
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

Maybe Randle then traded to a team that has a star asking out but that wants to remain competitive. Bridges? Mitchell? Booker? Giannis?

Knicks 3 ball and spacing likely increases dramatically through these type of deals.

[KnixinSix]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

I find those rumors to be very believable, but it wouldn't just be NY interested in him. Articles say the Lakers too and probably other teams.

Bogs for Lauri works straight up salary wise and we could take another player if Utah wants to salary dump, but how many first round picks would it take to get it done?

5? I'm thinking 5. I don't see him coming any cheaper than that, but he'd be a great get.

McBride with his upward trajectory and already approaching elite 3 and D level is worthy of 1 FRP. Add 24,25 this year and another 1 and you probably have enough.

[HopelessKnick]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

First trade:
Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard

Second trade:
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

Maybe Randle then traded to a team that has a star asking out but that wants to remain competitive. Bridges? Mitchell? Booker? Giannis?

Knicks 3 ball and spacing likely increases dramatically through these type of deals.

I would prefer to trade a future FRP instead of McBride. IMO Deuce is worth a mid first round pick as of right now (15-20 range). If you keep in mind that in the suggested deals we'd be giving up Mitch, a lottery pick and two FRPs for Markannen...I think that would be enough really. Maybe swap Deuce with the Pistons pick. I wouldn't go higher than that really. Utah would probably prefer only 1 2024 pick and the rest for future drafts because I don't see them doing 4 FRPs this year...but it could be worked out.

Bogs + 9th pick + 24th pick + 2026 FRP (top 5 protected) + Pistons FRP...something along these lines.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks should just run it back with Burks

[spree2kawhi]

I like Lauri, but he isn't better than Randle and if there is a Lauri trade to the Knicks, you then need to expect Thibs to change his offensive system, which isn't happening. And there's zero -- I mean zero -- chance Ainge trades him for Bogs and picks. He can and will get much more from a buying team.

Irony of this all is Lauri might fit well with Cavs in a Garland trade because Spida can really use that kind of pick and roll/pop player.

So could Brunson. In my book, Lauri might very well be the more useful player. You see, I’m choosing my words carefully.

[Knicksfan1992]

I, personally, am a little lower on JJJ than most seem to be.

On the surface he should be a great player. He's been an efficient scorer basically his whole career. He grades out as an awesome rim protector and is good in switches too.

But, something is fishy to me every time I watch him. Last year was his first year over 30 mpg. Red flag IMO. It just seems like he's got some Towns in him where he can't help but pick up dumb fouls that keep him off the floor. That kinda thing usually gets exposed in the playoffs. Speaking of the playoffs, his numbers are abysmal and his foul rate is higher over a decent enough sample size of 23 games... Also, there's no physical reason JJJ should not be a 5 in today's NBA. Why does Memphis continuously feel the need to pair him with an anchor big? If he's landlocked at the 4, I think that hurts his value significantly.

I also don't love bigs that can't rebound. In a league that is slowly reverting back to crashing the offensive glass, you simply cannot survive playing a guy at the 5 for long stretches who has the rebounding rate of a guard. This came to a head with Team USA where Kerr felt the need to play Hart at basically Center because they could not grab a rebound with JJJ on the floor...This is usually something that doesn't really improve with time either. Generally, you are either a good rebounder or your not.

To me he's the Mikal Bridges of bigs. Once you increase his responsibility, his value seems to diminish greatly. His efficiency fell off a cliff this year without Ja.

While the Knicks have the sort of personnel that can accommodate JJJ's weaknesses, I still prefer Randle I think. Especially since JJJ would almost assuredly be coming in in replacement of him. He also is going to command a massive pay bump in his next deal. I'd be weary of giving a guy who doesn't really create his own offense well or for others that kind of deal if he can't anchor your defense as a 5.

Just my 2 cents on JJJ

What about Evan Mobley?

I think they're 2 completely different players tbh. Also, I think it's more likely JJJ is available in the next 2 years than Mobley is.

JJJ is more of a stretch big while Mobley leans to more of an old school back to the basket/face up big. I'd probably prefer JJJ because even though I said i'm lower on him I do think he's improved since he's been in the league while I can't say the same about Mobley. I think the Knicks can find ways around his weaknesses easier than Mobley's.

I'm just not sure what Mobley is offensively ultimately. Maybe his best case scenario is what current AD is? But he still has a ways to go both in how he fills out his frame, rebounds the ball and defensively before he's even close to AD. I'm interested to see what kind of extension he gets this summer and if the Cavs trust him to play C full time by trading Allen. JJJ is a better bet IMO although I don't love either option.