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Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#961 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jun 3, 2024 4:51 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#962 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 4:53 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Okay. I know this will get killed, but here goes:

Draft Sarr.

Trade Sarr, Poole, Kuzma
For
Towns and a 2025 pick.

Why or why not?

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The Wizards are rebuilding. They won 15 games last year. Let's generously assume that Towns would add another 15 wins to that total. But still, that's just a 30-win team. So you have just removed two future lotto picks from a 30-win team while saddling them with a $55M a year contract for the next 4 years. How exactly do you propose that the Wizards improve from 30 wins a year with no draft picks and no cap room until 2026?

It's honestly one of the worst idea's I've ever seen.


Sarr for a 2025 pick and Towns for Poole and Kuzma is the worst idea?

How do you know this year wouldn't be yet another lottery year?

Also, what about the extra pick in next season's strong draft?

I don't understand how this removes two future lottery picks.

I didn't consider it wrecking the cap.

After all these years, I still don't know crap about the cap. When it comes to me understanding the salary cap, it's like Dexter Manley having a copy of the Wall Street Journal in his face.



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My bad. I thought you proposed trading Sarr plus OUR 2025 pick to get Towns. You are suggesting that we trade Sarr for Towns and their 2025 pick. That's a little bit more reasonable, other than the fact that Minnesota doesn't have any future picks to trade until 2031.

I still wouldn't do it because I don't think Towns really helps you win much, and his salary is overwhelming. I don't think his trade value is much more than neutral because nobody wants to pay him that salary.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#963 » by penbeast0 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 5:39 pm

How many would trade Bilal Coulibaly for the #1 pick in this year's draft if ATL was willing?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#964 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:06 pm

penbeast0 wrote:How many would trade Bilal Coulibaly for the #1 pick in this year's draft if ATL was willing?

I don't think I would. Now that Coulibaly is 6-9 with a 7-3 wingspan, he may in fact be as good of a center prospect as Sarr. (I don't actually consider Coulibaly as a center prospect, but I think it needs to be emphasized how big and long Coulibaly truly is.)

Coulibaly is younger than Sarr by 3 months, BTW.
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Post#965 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:39 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#966 » by prime1time » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:41 pm

penbeast0 wrote:How many would trade Bilal Coulibaly for the #1 pick in this year's draft if ATL was willing?

I wouldn't
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#967 » by 9 and 20 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:05 pm

https://clutchpoints.com/sources-wizards-kyle-kuzma-trade-asking-price-high-suitors-emerging

In addition to the usual suspects, this one also mentions the Raptors and the Spurs. Toronto has #19 this year. That plus a future protected first or 2 2nds?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#968 » by 9 and 20 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 9:08 pm

nate33 wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:How many would trade Bilal Coulibaly for the #1 pick in this year's draft if ATL was willing?

I don't think I would. Now that Coulibaly is 6-9 with a 7-3 wingspan, he may in fact be as good of a center prospect as Sarr. (I don't actually consider Coulibaly as a center prospect, but I think it needs to be emphasized how big and long Coulibaly truly is.)

Coulibaly is younger than Sarr by 3 months, BTW.


Agree with this. We'll stick with our guy. They can have recent top ten pick Johnny Davis though.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#969 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:25 pm

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Post#970 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 4, 2024 12:22 am

NatP4 wrote:
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They're asking a high price, & suitors are emerging -- so sez the tweet. Glad to hear that!
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#971 » by closg00 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 1:39 am

Dunno why Corey is off-limits…
I smell a smokescreen on Kuzma, we will take the best offer on draft night if it’s for pick(s).
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#972 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Jun 4, 2024 2:36 am

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#973 » by NatP4 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:36 am

nate33 wrote:I don't think I would. Now that Coulibaly is 6-9 with a 7-3 wingspan, he may in fact be as good of a center prospect as Sarr. (I don't actually consider Coulibaly as a center prospect, but I think it needs to be emphasized how big and long Coulibaly truly is.)

Coulibaly is younger than Sarr by 3 months, BTW.


Coulibaly is a year older than Sarr.

That’s legit PF size though. Bilal and Vukcevic might make a really good long term combo at the 4&5. Add in another high level rebounder and defender in Deni at the other wing spot. Not bad.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#974 » by nate33 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:39 am

NatP4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:I don't think I would. Now that Coulibaly is 6-9 with a 7-3 wingspan, he may in fact be as good of a center prospect as Sarr. (I don't actually consider Coulibaly as a center prospect, but I think it needs to be emphasized how big and long Coulibaly truly is.)

Coulibaly is younger than Sarr by 3 months, BTW.


Coulibaly is a year older than Sarr.

My bad. I was looking at the Tankathon comparison and was thinking that the draft ages were their actual ages. Yes, Coulibaly is 9 months older than Sarr.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#975 » by Frichuela » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:49 am

So the Wiz are allegedly adamant in getting 2 first rounders for Kuzma, here is how:

Kuzma to the Knicks for Bogdanovic, #24 and a Knicks 2025 or 2026 1st.

The thinking would be that if we for example trade down with SAS for #4 + a 2025 pick, then the Knicks pick should be in 2026, which would give us 2 first rounders in 2025 and 2026.

Kuzma to the Knicks makes a lot of sense for them. This year’s playoffs showed they desperately need size and depth.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#976 » by nate33 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 12:33 pm

Frichuela wrote:So the Wiz are allegedly adamant in getting 2 first rounders for Kuzma, here is how:

Kuzma to the Knicks for Bogdanovic, #24 and a Knicks 2025 or 2026 1st.

The thinking would be that if we for example trade down with SAS for #4 + a 2025 pick, then the Knicks pick should be in 2026, which would give us 2 first rounders in 2025 and 2026.

Kuzma to the Knicks makes a lot of sense for them. This year’s playoffs showed they desperately need size and depth.

I'd do that Kuzma trade. I don't think San Antonio coughs up a 2025 pick to move up 2 spots though. I think we'd have to trade down to #8 to get a 2025 pick, since all of their 2025 picks are likely to be in the 10-17 range and not the late 20's.

I'm okay with it though. I'd trade down from #2 to #8 in return for, say, their best 2025 pick that is outside of the top 8.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#977 » by Frichuela » Tue Jun 4, 2024 12:50 pm

nate33 wrote:
Frichuela wrote:So the Wiz are allegedly adamant in getting 2 first rounders for Kuzma, here is how:

Kuzma to the Knicks for Bogdanovic, #24 and a Knicks 2025 or 2026 1st.

The thinking would be that if we for example trade down with SAS for #4 + a 2025 pick, then the Knicks pick should be in 2026, which would give us 2 first rounders in 2025 and 2026.

Kuzma to the Knicks makes a lot of sense for them. This year’s playoffs showed they desperately need size and depth.

I'd do that Kuzma trade. I don't think San Antonio coughs up a 2025 pick to move up 2 spots though. I think we'd have to trade down to #8 to get a 2025 pick, since all of their 2025 picks are likely to be in the 10-17 range and not the late 20's.

I'm okay with it though. I'd trade down from #2 to #8 in return for, say, their best 2025 pick that is outside of the top 8.


I was hoping for a structure like the worst of SAS or ATL 2025 1st, which is most likely to be in the 10-15 range. But you are probably right…
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#978 » by Mizerooskie » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:14 pm

I'd be very surprised if the Wizards are interested in having 3 FRPs in this draft. If Kuzma's dealt on draft night, I think it's either for future FRPs or as part of a package to move around in this draft (involving future picks).
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#979 » by nate33 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:04 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Supposedly Indiana has interest in Kuzma.

Would you do Kuzma for Jarace Walker + 36 ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8782791

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Jarace-Walker/Summary/135362

If Indiana is already willing to trade Jarace Walker, after just one year, then I don’t really want him. I’d rather take my chances with the #13 pick from Sacramento, or a middle first round pick next year.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#980 » by NatP4 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:37 pm

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Based on the new Ringer mock: trade 2 for 7&14, let Portland have Sarr.

Kuzma for 15+Jovic

7: Nikola Topic
14: Pacome Dadiet
15: Daron Holmes
26: KJ Simpson
51: Jonathan Mogbo

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