2024 Draft Prospects

GoBobs · Post #1961 » by **GoBobs** » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:57 pm

hot take:

Castle is a less athletic Cade Cunningham with none of the shooting.

Sarr won't be able to defend any position in the league. People look at him and see someone that moves well for a center. He won't be able to stay in front of any wings. He won't have the weight to guard any centers. He isn't somebody with particularly high IQ or effort on that end either. Bust incoming.

I would rather have Cody Williams than either of them.

JustBuzzin · Post #1962 » by **JustBuzzin** » Mon Jun 3, 2024 11:25 pm

GoBobs wrote:hot take:

Castle is a less athletic Cade Cunningham with none of the shooting.

Sarr won't be able to defend any position in the league. People look at him and see someone that moves well for a center. He won't be able to stay in front of any wings. He won't have the weight to guard any centers. He isn't somebody with particularly high IQ or effort on that end either. Bust incoming.

I would rather have Cody Williams than either of them.

What exactly sells you on Cody Williams than either of those guys?

GoBobs · Post #1963 » by **GoBobs** » Mon Jun 3, 2024 11:43 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
GoBobs wrote:hot take:

Castle is a less athletic Cade Cunningham with none of the shooting.

Sarr won't be able to defend any position in the league. People look at him and see someone that moves well for a center. He won't be able to stay in front of any wings. He won't have the weight to guard any centers. He isn't somebody with particularly high IQ or effort on that end either. Bust incoming.

I would rather have Cody Williams than either of them.

What exactly sells you on Cody Williams than either of those guys?

A lot of Castle's baskets were below the rim shots where he used his strength to shield the defender. That will be harder to do in the NBA. His low steal rate is also evidence that he isn't a great athlete. He can't shoot, so he can't run the pick and roll, everyone will just go under the screen.

His best atribute vs Cody Williams is his assist to turnover ratio being a lot better. If all you can do in the NBA is pass on offense people are going to figure out how to guard you real quick. Again, he can't shoot so he won't be a good off ball player.

Cody Williams seems like he can shoot, even if the sample size is small. The shot looks smoothe, so I think he has a lot more off ball potential. None of these guys are going to come in and be handed the keys to the car, so off ball ability is important to get minutes.

What would Cody Williams have looked like if you put him on UCONN? Probably even better than Castle is my guess.

As for Sarr he is just caught in between positions. Reality is he is worlds away from being a center. He is like 200 lb. He also has good athletic testing for a center, not for a wing. He probably won't be any better at staying in front of premiter players than Cody Zeller(tested better than Sarr).

Bassman · Post #1964 » by **Bassman** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 5:18 pm

I don’t see Sarr as a successful NBA center. He is mobile enough to play the 4, and should. His 3 range is good and his accuracy should rise.

MEANWHILE, the guys on the Locked On Hornets podcast said the team will NOT be releasing any information about workouts, or even which candidates have been in for workouts.

That says the chatter about guys dodging this team is real, and a problem.

GiggitySmalls · Post #1965 » by **GiggitySmalls** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 6:15 pm

Williams looks like brittnay greener. Unrelated but that's my in depth scouting report.

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LofJ · Post #1966 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:40 pm

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Bassman · Post #1967 » by **Bassman** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:47 pm

Good…means they wanted to get in front of all the teams they really desire first, then schedule us at the tail end.

It’s tough being the ugly date.

Maybe they’ll all come to a group presentation and dinner, kinda like time shares.

MasterIchiro · Post #1968 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:50 pm

Not sure how Spurs trading 4 & 8 to the Hawks for #1 would impact #6, but this draft feels volatile right now with this rumor following the one about the Rockets shopping 3 to multiple suitors. Some serious action centered on Donovan Clingan. Makes me think Hawks could take him #1 overall.

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JustBuzzin · Post #1969 » by **JustBuzzin** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:53 pm

Spurs are likely trading up to #1 for Risacher right?

MasterIchiro · Post #1970 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:56 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Spurs are likely trading up to #1 for Risacher right?

That would be my guess. Space for Wemby.

But with Rockets fielding offers for Clingan at 3, Hawks can't do this.

So maybe Hawks have Risacher #1 and if Clingan is gone by 4, the deal falls through and the Hawks are satisfied to be stuck with Risacher.

LofJ · Post #1971 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:57 pm

The Spurs would be stupid to trade 4 and 8 to move up. Trading 4 and one of the future ATL picks they own makes more sense.

Post #1972 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 9:29 pm

whats the deal with Tidjane Salaun? can he actually play?

JMAC3 · Post #1973 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 9:48 pm

fatlever wrote:whats the deal with Tidjane Salaun? can he actually play?

No he can not. He is basically Ousmane Dieng, but he is only 18 and has shown flashes in some playoff games in French league playoffs.

If you want a swing at upside with his size and shooting he could be really good someday or he might never develop into anything.

Post #1974 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:07 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:whats the deal with Tidjane Salaun? can he actually play?

No he can not. He is basically Ousmane Dieng, but he is only 18 and has shown flashes in some playoff games in French league playoffs.

If you want a swing at upside with his size and shooting he could be really good someday or he might never develop into anything.

thats a hard pass for me

KingCat · Post #1975 » by **KingCat** » Wed Jun 5, 2024 4:38 am

OK 3 weeks before they draft I'm thinking take Topic if he is there. Could possibly put us in a Hali-Fox situation where we get a strong return for shipping out whichever guard we think is a worse fit long term. Also might let us off load Tre and/or Micic to a playoff contender for some decent gain.

If Topic's knees a concern then I hope they take whoever they determine is the best perimeter defender available whether that be Castle, Holland, or even Williams.

wilson115 · Post #1976 » by **wilson115** » Wed Jun 5, 2024 5:11 am

Adding Risacher to the Spurs' stable of non-ballhandlers/playmakers just doesn't work for me. Topic sliding down the boards so can't be the target at #1, so... Reed Sheppard you are a Spur! 8-)

GiggitySmalls · Post #1977 » by **GiggitySmalls** » Wed Jun 5, 2024 5:19 am

Spurs could clinagn st 4.

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EmpireFalls · Post #1978 » by **EmpireFalls** » Wed Jun 5, 2024 1:34 pm

KingCat wrote:OK 3 weeks before they draft I'm thinking take Topic if he is there. Could possibly put us in a Hali-Fox situation where we get a strong return for shipping out whichever guard we think is a worse fit long term. Also might let us off load Tre and/or Micic to a playoff contender for some decent gain.

If Topic's knees a concern then I hope they take whoever they determine is the best perimeter defender available whether that be Castle, Holland, or even Williams.

Topic almost certainly won’t be a better player than Micic or Mann currently is until his 2nd or 3rd year

JMAC3 · Post #1979 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jun 5, 2024 3:22 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
KingCat wrote:OK 3 weeks before they draft I'm thinking take Topic if he is there. Could possibly put us in a Hali-Fox situation where we get a strong return for shipping out whichever guard we think is a worse fit long term. Also might let us off load Tre and/or Micic to a playoff contender for some decent gain.

If Topic's knees a concern then I hope they take whoever they determine is the best perimeter defender available whether that be Castle, Holland, or even Williams.

Topic almost certainly won’t be a better player than Micic or Mann currently is until his 2nd or 3rd year

Tre Mann was nearly out of the league, he is a good flier as a depth guard but any guard we take at #6 is passing him on the depth chart over night. Vasa is going to be 31 yrs old and probably isn't on this team in 12 months if we take a guard at #6.

That is the equivalent of saying hey if we draft Clingan he is 3rd string for 2 yrs behind Nick Richards.

Bassman · Post #1980 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 5, 2024 4:12 pm

ESPN has a fun draft simulator, which is largely for S and giggles. But it does create some interesting scenarios. I’ve also successfully traded the #6, #42 and next year’s second rounder to Portland for #7 and #14. In one scenario we had (at 6) both Buzelis and Castle still available. After the trade Portland snagged Castle, so I drafted Buzelis at #7 and took Devin Carter at #14. I think both of those guys would be real contributors to the team over time. Carter might even be as good next to Melo if Ball played more 2. Buzelis could contribute off the bench while we keep developing his game.

In other trade scenarios the 7 became a challenge; either pick Knecht, Dillingham or Holland, then take Edey at 14….which I would seriously consider. At 14, Edey provides a strong backup to Mark and helps if Williams has more problems. I think Edey will be a better player at the next level than he’s being projected.