2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[billy_hoyle]

Why doesn't it make sense?

Davion Mitchell and Justice Winslow both went lotto (right around 9). In drafts that weren't considered weak.

They weren't drafted there with their current form as their ceiling/comp. I read it more as Devin Carter's comp is current Davion Mitchell and Justice Winslow which is pretty underwhelming for a lotter pick. My read of it may be wrong though.

Defense first older players are always going to face challenges translating to the NBA.

My feeling is if the shooting track record is spotty or at least limited to one season jumping a level to the NBA speed including defensive closeouts is going to be hard for these guys.

When I watch Devin Carter's form it is a slow push shot. I don't see a ton of elevation. He is likely to struggle early on which is why I wouldn't burn lotto on him, but that's my gut feeling.

Justice Winslow was a freshman drafted 10th by Miami (and he was a bit of a draft tumble).

Davion was definitely an older riser, drafted 9th.

I think Devin Carter is being comped to guys like Caruso, Bruce Brown, Marcus Smart and Austin Reeves. Sorta a gritty gamer combo guard. If that's the case, I think that warrants a late lottery pick in a weak draft. That player type would get selected late lottery in strong draft classes, right?

[CazOnReal]

CP becomes guaranteed in the case, right? Do we just buy him out? I doubt anyone is taking his contract for anything of value if we're not able to turn Bruce Brown into anything, and I don't know that you can expect CP to play on a rebuilding team at his age.

It does and I see it more as having CP3 as a stopgap for the backup PG role while being a capable, if way too expensive, mentor to Scottie and Quickley. Additionally, having him on the books means you can later flip Chris for a bad contract(s) + pick(s) though it remains to be seen what the NBA will look like closer to the 2025 deadline i.e. who is in trade rumors and whose contract is looking atrocious.

Why are the Warriors moving a young player in Moody and a SRP for two expiring role players?

In a word: Money.

Beyond saving them some $5 million or so in luxury tax and giving them some roleplayers to run it back without having to worry about a long-term commitment, the Warriors are going to have to extend Kuminga and Moody if they do keep both. Getting off of Moody will get them some long-term relief by not having to contemplate/offer an extension and frankly, it'll give Moody opportunities he was never afforded under Kerr. The Warriors as a whole haven't really valued Moses and they've already tried to trade him twice by my accounts; last year on draft night for a lottery pick and this year's deadline for Alex Caruso.

Also that 2nd is just there to illustrate the trade as being done on draft night; it's the 52nd in the draft, it's not exactly valuable.

I really don't see the Warriors trading Wiggins given how low his value is right now. Besides, if the Warriors are making moves to regroup and run things back with some slight changes then they will want to keep around Wiggins; his defense was integral to getting that 2022 championship and he was arguably their 2nd best player on that Finals team.

[WuTang_CMB]

They tried to trade Moody in last year's draft for a lottery pick, wouldn't be surprised if they tried that yet again.

I'd give them 19 for Moody and a future first. Might even consider Moody for 19 straight up tbh.

36% 3pt shooter, can slot in to GTJ's role this year and be a viable back-up 2 option long term.

I still think this is the trade that makes the most sense for the Raptors to pursue if they're not getting that 2025/26 first they're seeking for Bruce Brown. Turns CP3 in to two rotation players, one of whom has experience with the Dubs.

Both teams baulk

[Dalek]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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[Rapsfan07]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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You have Filipowski over Ware and Edey?

[BoyzNTheHood]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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Ware is going to be such a beast, I'd be surprised if he makes it to 19. NBA GM's aren't that stupid.

[Dalek]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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You have Filipowski over Ware and Edey?

If we have the same starters, and the same coach then a skilled guy like Flip makes the most sense to me. He would thrive in this system and can contribute quicker than the others. Edey is a dominant big man, but it took him time to adjust to being away from the basket, and I don't think the fit is great in Toronto where we need spacing around Scottie and not guys who can set screens and rebound only.

Ware is project big man. On video he pops in a workout setting, but in a game I think he is a step behind even at the college level.

Flip is like a better version of KO, bigger and more skilled with the ball. I think it is not crazy to think he could top out as the next Lauri Markannen who a lot people think would be a great fit with Scottie.

[DreamTeam09]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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Ware is going to be such a beast, I'd be surprised if he makes it to 19. NBA GM's aren't that stupid.

I wanna draft him for the single fact this team hasn't had a vertical spacer since like Keon Clark.
Vertical spacing will help Barnes and Quickly

[BoyzNTheHood]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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Ware is going to be such a beast, I'd be surprised if he makes it to 19. NBA GM's aren't that stupid.

I wanna draft him for the single fact this team hasn't had a vertical spacer since like Keon Clark.
Vertical spacing will help Barnes and Quickly

If we get him and he figures it out that raises our ceiling significantly. Guys like Flip are nice players and god knows I was a big fan last season, but he’s a role player at his best. Ware has star potential. The guy can get you 15/8 with his eyes closed.

[Rapsfan07]

Ware is going to be such a beast, I'd be surprised if he makes it to 19. NBA GM's aren't that stupid.

I wanna draft him for the single fact this team hasn't had a vertical spacer since like Keon Clark.
Vertical spacing will help Barnes and Quickly

If we get him and he figures it out that raises our ceiling significantly. Guys like Flip are nice players and god knows I was a big fan last season, but he’s a role player at his best. Ware has star potential. The guy can get you 15/8 with his eyes closed.

I like Ware because he has a high ceiling and pretty high floor in my estimation. Not sure if all of his potential materializes but even if it doesn't, he should at least be a capable backup.

[KillaSham23]

Carter or McCain or Walter if they slip
If not I'll take Edey, ware, smith, flip in that order I think

[bballsparkin]

I've never had McCain available when I've done these mock drafts (including using the Fanspo one), but yeah, if he's there you basically have to take him as BPA and figure out the rest later.

I did this three times, including one where I got Da Silva and Holmes, and another where I got Ware and Tyson. I don't think we're going to end up with any stars, and maybe not even a long-term starter, but we could end up with two solid rotation players who are playable in a playoff series (due to not being liabilities on either end), and I'd be happy with that.

Yeah true, if he's there at #19 don't over think it. Just take him and move on from there. In the mock I did Holmes ll went #30 to Boston. That was a bummer. I'd be hyped on getting Holmes. TDS is nice. I hope a playoff team ahead of the Raptor select him. This draft is going to be fun to watch.

edit: I redid it tonight and i got McCain and Holmes. I'm not doing it again.

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Ja'Kobe Walker and Filipowski? I would be happy with that. I actually like this mock draft. Fun read.

[DG88]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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I've slowly started to lean into Ware being the pick at 19. I still have some concerns with parts of his game but he's probably the best upside guy on the board at 19, unless someone drops.

[CazOnReal]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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Warewolf is such a good damn nickname.

I still prefer Missi from the outside looking in but if this front office sees something special in Ware, i'm in. His size and athleticism, ability to stretch the floor (in theory) is all very intruiging.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[CoinTossRoss31]

I wonder if Ware and Edey are available who we'd go with

[OAKLEY_2]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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You have Filipowski over Ware and Edey?

Yes. Cannot understand that. Ware has so many attributes as a prospect. Filipowski is a bit underwhelming defensively. Edey is like no other player in the draft.

[bballsparkin]

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[CazOnReal]

I wonder if Ware and Edey are available who we'd go with

Between trading for Olynyk - a stretch 5 - as a sort of trial run for how the offense would look with a big who can hit 3s and Poeltl's name cropping up in trade rumors unlike Kelly, I think the answer is pretty obvious between the two center prospects. Big question as to whether one or both will be there since the Pelicans are in need of a center and could look to trade up from 21st in this draft.