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GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
If Giannis actually played the full series I’d agree but he missed half the series. Embiid played the full series against a team missing an All-Star
Still, #1 seed losing to #8 was worse. Philly was also worse than the Bucks and they were a #7 seed... if they were a #1 seed, different story and maybe you have an argument.
Bud is a better coach than Nurse still, deal with it
WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Still, #1 seed losing to #8 was worse. Philly was also worse than the Bucks and they were a #7 seed... if they were a #1 seed, different story and maybe you have an argument.
Bud is a better coach than Nurse still, deal with it
Whatever you want to believe in your fantasy world.
Jabroni Lames wrote:Ssj16 wrote:Some weird arguments on this thread. For some reason Nurse gets criticized when he won with Kawhi Leonard where other coaches would be praised to win if they had similar or better talent.
Then he gets heavily criticized when he can't make it out the first round when he has a fairly compromised team where the third best player is Tobias Harris, lol.
I'm not sure anyone here is saying Nurse is the best coach ever but it feels disingenuous when you start throwing other names as elite coaches like Eme and Brad Stevens but then leave Nurse out of the conversation when he has shown the ability to maximize talent in the past, be creative and make adjustments.
You are completely missing the point. Nobody is "criticizing" Nurse. We are not even saying he's a bad coach. Just saying that he's average... at best. He's not upper echelon. Not elite. Not top 5, or top 3. He's just.... okay. And if you think Nurse is: elite, upper echelon or top 3, then he's overrated, as per the OP. That's the gist of it.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Bud is a better coach than Nurse still, deal with it
Whatever you want to believe in your fantasy world.
Yet here you are writing up delusional excuses for the Raptors complete lack of relevance since Kawhi left.
He inherited a 60 win team that just upgraded from one of the biggest chokers in DD to Kawhi. Kawhi saved him from going down 2-1 to Orlando and from going to overtime against Philly. Nurse’s great adjustment against Milwaukee was to put Kawhi on Giannis, it wasn’t some complex scheme or anything...
For Philly specifically, he probably isn't a great fit since he is a hard ass during the regular season... meanwhile the franchise is Embiid who needs to be coddled in order to have a healthy postseason run. Embiid didn't even play half the games this year and you're still making excuses for him not being fresh. IDK how it ever improves in that department
Shuffling Tobias for PG13 might get them to another 2nd rd exit
WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Whatever you want to believe in your fantasy world.
Yet here you are writing up delusional excuses for the Raptors complete lack of relevance since Kawhi left.
He inherited a 60 win team that just upgraded from one of the biggest chokers in DD to Kawhi. Kawhi saved him from going down 2-1 to Orlando and from going to overtime against Philly. Nurse’s great adjustment against Milwaukee was to put Kawhi on Giannis, it wasn’t some complex scheme or anything...
For Philly specifically, he probably isn't a great fit since he is a hard ass during the regular season... meanwhile the franchise is Embiid who needs to be coddled in order to have a healthy postseason run. Embiid didn't even play half the games this year and you're still making excuses for him not being fresh. IDK how it ever improves in that department
Shuffling Tobias for PG13 might get them to another 2nd rd exit
Lol where?
I gave you all the facts on how your blunder was A LOT worse than philly this year. You are dellusional thinking otherwise and continue to go down a road where you are clueless and looking worse and worse.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Yet here you are writing up delusional excuses for the Raptors complete lack of relevance since Kawhi left.
He inherited a 60 win team that just upgraded from one of the biggest chokers in DD to Kawhi. Kawhi saved him from going down 2-1 to Orlando and from going to overtime against Philly. Nurse’s great adjustment against Milwaukee was to put Kawhi on Giannis, it wasn’t some complex scheme or anything...
For Philly specifically, he probably isn't a great fit since he is a hard ass during the regular season... meanwhile the franchise is Embiid who needs to be coddled in order to have a healthy postseason run. Embiid didn't even play half the games this year and you're still making excuses for him not being fresh. IDK how it ever improves in that department
Shuffling Tobias for PG13 might get them to another 2nd rd exit
Lol where?
I gave you all the facts on how your blunder was A LOT worse than philly this year. You are dellusional thinking otherwise and continue to go down a road where you are clueless and looking worse and worse.
Got you so worked up you can't even type, move along... we all know Nurse didn't make the playoffs with supposedly all these great players on the Raptors. FVV, Barnes, Spicy, OG, etc
WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Lol where?
I gave you all the facts on how your blunder was A LOT worse than philly this year. You are dellusional thinking otherwise and continue to go down a road where you are clueless and looking worse and worse.
Got you so worked up you can't even type, move along... we all know Nurse didn't make the playoffs with supposedly all these great players on the Raptors. FVV, Barnes, Spicy, OG, etc
Only one worked up is you Lol. You've been lapped all day. We all know Nurse drove a contender to the finals (while beating your Bucks) and won it all vs G.S.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Got you so worked up you can't even type, move along... we all know Nurse didn't make the playoffs with supposedly all these great players on the Raptors. FVV, Barnes, Spicy, OG, etc
Only one worked up is you Lol. You've been lapped all day. We all know Nurse drove a contender to the finals (while beating your Bucks) and won it all vs G.S.
Fools always believe they're correct, it just paints the clown mask on you that you're so confident
WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Only one worked up is you Lol. You've been lapped all day. We all know Nurse drove a contender to the finals (while beating your Bucks) and won it all vs G.S.
Fools always believe they're correct, it just paints the clown mask on you that you're so confident
Bigger idiots tend to keep doubling down against facts. You went down a road today so far down you don't even know what you are saying anymore and now lowering to insults. Lol. Good luck with Doc stronzzzz
GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Fools always believe they're correct, it just paints the clown mask on you that you're so confident
Bigger idiots tend to keep doubling down against facts. You went down a road today so far down you don't even know what you are saying anymore and now lowering to insults. Lol. Good luck with Doc stronzzzz
Yea big idiots need to think about how smart it is to call someone with a 5 year losing streak as "upper echelon"
WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Bigger idiots tend to keep doubling down against facts. You went down a road today so far down you don't even know what you are saying anymore and now lowering to insults. Lol. Good luck with Doc stronzzzz
Yea big idiots need to think about how smart it is to call someone with a 5 year losing streak as "upper echelon"
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One that included a title. Another that included a 60 win pace and 2nd in the league Lol.
Now you got lapped again. What a goof. Funny how the biggest loser here is your team losing to an 8 seed with Bud lol
GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Yea big idiots need to think about how smart it is to call someone with a 5 year losing streak as "upper echelon"
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One that included a title. Another that included a 60 win pace and 2nd in the league Lol.
Now you got lapped again. What a goof. Funny how the biggest loser here is your team losing to an 8 seed with Bud lol
Learn to count, the title was 6 seasons ago. Since you're slow I'll spell it out for you
23-24 - 1st rd exit
22-23 - missed playoffs
21-22 - 1st rd exit
20-21 - missed playoffs
19-20 - 2nd rd exit
18-19 - title
WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
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One that included a title. Another that included a 60 win pace and 2nd in the league Lol.
Now you got lapped again. What a goof. Funny how the biggest loser here is your team losing to an 8 seed with Bud lol
Learn to count, the title was 6 seasons ago. Since you're slow I'll spell it out for you
23-24 - 1st rd exit
22-23 - missed playoffs
21-22 - 1st rd exit
20-21 - missed playoffs
19-20 - 2nd rd exit
18-19 - title
5 years u said right? 5 years ago was 2019 u dummy. Good try though. Also I dont see any colossal losses to an 8 seed there. Only from Bud. Lapped again
GiannisAnte34 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Learn to count, the title was 6 seasons ago. Since you're slow I'll spell it out for you
23-24 - 1st rd exit
22-23 - missed playoffs
21-22 - 1st rd exit
20-21 - missed playoffs
19-20 - 2nd rd exit
18-19 - title
5 years u said right? 5 years ago was 2019 u dummy. Good try though. Also I dont see any colossal losses to an 8 seed there. Only from Bud. Lapped again
Every year is composed of two separate seasons. The 1st half of a calendar year is the end of a season, there have been 5 seasons after the Raptors won their title, all of which Nurse can be painted as mediocre at best
Your fans are always raving about how talented the Raptors players are. Where is the playoff success to accompany it?
Jabroni Lames wrote:ForeverTFC wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:
SMH. We’re using locker room issues to defend Nurse? Seriously? This dude is greased teflon. Warriors had locker room issues after Draymond punched Poole. That’s legit. Raptors don’t even register on the “issues” scale.
Who's using the locker room issues to defend Nurse? I said that the locker room issues were very real and that Nurse played a big part in it. junot said that these issues had a larger impact on our on court product than would usually be the case given the defensive schemes we were trying to run. If anything, it's extending the off-court issues which Nurse had a hand in to the on-court product and further implicating Nurse in what went wrong in his last year in Toronto.
You still have not responded to our rebuttal to your original take that Nurse had no impact outside his 1 lucky year with Kawhi. It's been shown to you that he had success in Toronto when Kawhi left and that his innovations which were unique to the Raptors during his run are now the norm and utilized by teams across the league. So again, how has Nurse not proven a thing outside 1 year with Kawhi?
Nurse took over a 59-win team and that upgraded wit 2 former DPOYs and won 58 games + chip. Stevens or Thibs could've done that.... easily. They lost Kawhi, but Dwane Casey left a solid foundation of rising, talented young players (Siakam, FVV, OG, Powell) and they stayed on pace. And they flamed out in the playoffs vs an experience Celtics team in the bubble, within 0.2 seconds of being down 0-3. Casey could've done that. Nurse didn't really prove anything other than that Masai gave him good to great players and young players with upside.
But where did all those post-Kawhi innovations get Nurse, in 5 seasons? 2 missed playoffs, 2 first round exits and 1 series win vs. the Long Island Nets.
junot111 wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:ForeverTFC wrote:
Who's using the locker room issues to defend Nurse? I said that the locker room issues were very real and that Nurse played a big part in it. junot said that these issues had a larger impact on our on court product than would usually be the case given the defensive schemes we were trying to run. If anything, it's extending the off-court issues which Nurse had a hand in to the on-court product and further implicating Nurse in what went wrong in his last year in Toronto.
You still have not responded to our rebuttal to your original take that Nurse had no impact outside his 1 lucky year with Kawhi. It's been shown to you that he had success in Toronto when Kawhi left and that his innovations which were unique to the Raptors during his run are now the norm and utilized by teams across the league. So again, how has Nurse not proven a thing outside 1 year with Kawhi?
Nurse took over a 59-win team and that upgraded wit 2 former DPOYs and won 58 games + chip. Stevens or Thibs could've done that.... easily. They lost Kawhi, but Dwane Casey left a solid foundation of rising, talented young players (Siakam, FVV, OG, Powell) and they stayed on pace. And they flamed out in the playoffs vs an experience Celtics team in the bubble, within 0.2 seconds of being down 0-3. Casey could've done that. Nurse didn't really prove anything other than that Masai gave him good to great players and young players with upside.
But where did all those post-Kawhi innovations get Nurse, in 5 seasons? 2 missed playoffs, 2 first round exits and 1 series win vs. the Long Island Nets.
How long have you watched the Raptors? Casey was getting swept by an inferior wizards team in the playoffs and assigning CJ miles to guard Kevin Love in the post. Comparing him to Nurse is a joke...What has he done since leaving Toronto to prove he could do what Nurse did?
If you think Nurse is not a top 5 coach, name your top 5 and what impressive accomplishments they have
DoItALL9 wrote:He doesn't get the same detractors Doc Rivers does but hasn't been that much more impressive overall.
Folks swear he's much more tactical though.
