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Hollinger: Is the NBA in the middle of a new age of parity? Or is it about to exit one? 

Post#1 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jun 4, 2024 5:54 pm

Six seasons, six different champions. Teams seeded fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth making the conference finals in a span of two seasons. And seemingly more unpredictability than ever: A team with one of the NBA’s two best regular-season records hasn’t won the title since the Toronto Raptors beat the Golden State Warriors in 2019. (Although the Boston Celtics may end that streak this year.)

Are we in a new age of parity? And if so, how long will it continue?


First, the prima facie case that something is possibly different from before: We haven’t had alternating champions like this since the span from 1970 to 1987, when we crowned a different champion for 18 straight seasons before the Los Angeles Lakers repeated in 1988.

That stretch ended nearly four decades ago, and even that era comes with something of an asterisk: Nine of those 18 titles were won by either the Lakers or Celtics, who spent most of the 1980s with joint custody of the Larry O’Brien trophy. Even in the 1970s, the New York Knicks and Celtics both had gap years between championships. Nothing of the sort has happened in the era since 2018.

The true stretch of comparison, then, might be the period from 1975 to 1980, where there was a genuine “first-time” champion five times in six years, with only the dying embers of the Celtics dynasty in 1976 intervening. Similarly, the last six years have seen the Raptors and Denver Nuggets win their first titles, the Milwaukee Bucks claim their first in 50 years and the Lakers their first since 2010. This year will give us another sort-of “first-timer” — the first for this group of Celtics or Dallas Mavericks. Much like that 1975-80 era, only the dying embers of a former dynasty, the 2022 Warriors, have intervened.

Additionally, there’s the matter of the relative unpredictably we’ve seen in the playoffs. One thing that stands out to me from this era is how postseason results have somewhat decoupled from the regular-season standings, which we can see by the abundance of lower-seeded teams advancing.

If you break it down by round, you see something else happening: a fairly normal first round followed by mayhem in the second round. Lower-seeded teams have won 13 of the last 20 conference semifinals (65 percent). They’ve only won 14 series total in all the other rounds, out of 54 possible series (25.9 percent), in the past five years.

What this strongly suggests to me is that the notion of parity is still somewhat confined in the NBA, but it might be worded as something like “parity in the contenders class.” Fringy, flawed playoff teams still get obliterated in the first round right on schedule; lower seeds are 8-40 in the first round since 2019. Thanks for stopping by. However, as the data above shows, the few that survive can fare much better …. like the 2023 Heat or the 2024 Mavericks.

Basically, by the time we whittle things down to the top eight teams, the margins between them become razor-thin. That allows the forces of MOML (Make or Miss League) or four bounces on the rim or other strange phenomena to take over.

One golden rule that has still held up: Every champion but one for the last 44 years has been a top-three seed with at least 52 wins (prorated to 82 games) and a plus-3 net rating; that will hold up if Boston prevails in the NBA Finals, but not if Dallas wins. (The three teams in the West that met this criteria, Oklahoma City, Denver and Minnesota, have all been eliminated; the Mavs beat two of them.)


This data strongly suggests that a certain level of regular-season play is still required to be in the championship discussion, but there is a different, higher level of what we might call “unbeatable eliteness” that teams have had a difficult time achieving.

Contrast that to, say, 2018, where the Warriors and Houston Rockets were so much better than everyone else that it was obvious they were playing for the title in the Western Conference finals. Those two teams were 20-4 in the postseason if you take out their seven-game slugfest against each other.

Post-Warriors, I’m not sure any team has matched the level of those two clubs. We’ve had only four teams play at a 60-win clip (prorated) in six seasons, and the previous three failed to make the finals. (Boston ended that streak this year.)

Notably, in comparison with the Kevin Durant-era Warriors, nobody has been able to get three A-Listers aligned on contracts at the same time except the Brooklyn Nets, who for various starstruck reasons have zero of the six championships I alluded to above.

Instead, we’ve had a lot of really good but not quite impervious teams competing at the same time (including the post-Durant Warriors in ’22), and we might be set up for that to continue (Might. Read on.)

In particular, the new collective bargaining agreement seems set up to make the current environment continue a while longer. The rules on the second apron are designed to rein in the big spenders and force elite teams to make hard decisions at every level of the roster once their stars graduate from rookie deals to supermax extensions. We’ll see how teams play their hands in the coming years, but the rules seem to incentivize even the most free-spending teams to limit themselves to a two-year run above the second apron before pulling back and avoiding the most severe penalties.



So are we looking at more years of alternating champions and new faces holding the Larry O’Brien trophy? Are we set for a five-year stint of something like Pacers–Wizards–Hornets–Pelicans–Magic as our NBA champions? (Not the Pistons, though. I’m keeping things realistic here.)

Hang on a sec. Because just as we’ve experienced a big surge in parity, there’s another force with which we must reckon.


I’m not sure the mass audience has totally caught on to this since commentators seem to want to dunk on the team anytime it allows something worse than a 4-0 run, but … isn’t the argument about parity a little ridiculous until or unless the Celtics lose?

Boston won 64 games — tied for the most since the Rockets won 65 in 2018 — and did it with the fifth-best scoring margin of all time, a plus-11.3 difference that lapped the field. Only two other clubs (Oklahoma City at plus-7.4 and Minnesota at plus-6.5) had margins that were even half as large.

While the Celtics haven’t exactly faced a murderer’s row of playoff competition, they’ve dispatched those opponents with haste, going 12-2 so far in the playoffs with a margin of plus-10.9 while ranking first in playoff offense and third in defense.

They’re also the one team in the postseason that has been able to withstand a serious injury and keep on ticking. While absences from key players have led to the demise of teams such as the Clippers, Knicks, Bucks, Cavs and most recently Pacers, the Celtics have barely skipped a beat despite not having star big man Kristaps Porziņģis for the last two playoff rounds.

He’s likely to be back for the finals, where Boston would already seem to have an advantage. Dallas lost its last meeting against the Celtics — with all of its current trade pieces on board — by 28 points in March.


In NBA Finals, Celtics and Mavs face different challenges from what they just conquered

So are we entering a new era of parity? Or are we actually exiting an era of parity?

How differently would we be looking at this age if Jayson Tatum hadn’t injured his ankle on the first play of Game 7 against the Miami Heat a year ago and the Celtics had gone on to win the title?

If that’s a little too ifs-and-buts for you, consider also some of the circumstances that prevented recent champions from repeating.



Kawhi Leonard left a perfectly good team in Toronto that actually had a better winning percentage without him a year later. Milwaukee’s 2022 title defense was scuppered by a Khris Middleton injury. Finally, there’s a nearly inexhaustible supply of all the wouldas and couldas from the Brooklyn whinasty with Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving.

Events needed to break a very certain way to give us a scenario in which no champions repeated. Lady Luck looms large, too. In a 30-team league, fortune is always going to play a role in May and June unless a team builds a Durant-Stephen Curry–Draymond Green–Klay Thompson level of steamroller.

Boston is possibly at that level, but nobody totally trusts that idea yet, and we won’t really know for at least two more weeks. Other teams could maybe get there soon, especially Oklahoma City and San Antonio.

Building that level of team in any era is extremely difficult, but we are entering a new reality on top of that. Now it’s hard to build such a team and equally difficult to maintain it for any appreciable length of time. Age, injuries, contracts and the apron all conspire to make succeeding at the 55-win level difficult but possible for a “run” of several seasons. But getting to the high-60s level of being nigh unbeatable? That just hasn’t been a thing since Durant left the Bay.

Again, Boston can make a case that it’s an exception to that rule if it wins the title this year. The Celtics seem exceptionally well set up for a multi-year run at a high level; extensions for Tatum and Derrick White would have Boston’s five best players signed through 2026, the exact type of two-year run above the second apron that I talked about above.

On the other hand, Boston has one crucial weakness most other dynasties didn’t: The Celtics don’t have the best player in the league. As good as Tatum is, they won’t have the best player on the court in the finals.

Then again, wouldn’t that be the perfect demarcation of our new parity era? Having the most dominant team of this stretch be the one who had one player (barely) make first-team All-NBA and instead beat you by signing smart contracts and going six-deep with true quality?




With or without a Celtics reign, however, this year’s Mavs are the latest example of another strong trend that is likely to be an enduring takeaway from this era: If you’re good enough to get to the second round, anything can happen. In an NBA in which seemingly 20 teams are “going for it” each year, the game within the game has become getting into that final eight.





https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5525723/2024/06/02/is-the-nba-in-the-middle-of-a-new-age-of-parity-or-is-it-about-to-exit-one/
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Post#2 » by JB7 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 7:58 pm

Very interesting read. I think the construct of the max salary's is creating this reality, and now combined with the new CBA which limits teams above the 2nd apron to do anything beyond it, is making it next to impossible to build another dynasty like say the Warriors, or even the Lakers (Shaq & Kobe).

If a team is able to get three high level talent players on max deals, their ability to even fill out a roster is severely limited. The Suns are the clearest example, and the 2nd apron rules have not even kicked in yet, but even the Celtics are another example. They have managed to gather a core of great players, but their whole championship window is held by a thread that is their two bigs, Horford who just turned 38, and KP who can't stay on the court.
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Post#3 » by TheGeneral99 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:15 pm

So if you actually look at this closely, the era really only changed a year ago.

2019 - Golden State still makes the finals.
2020 - Lakers with Lebron win (Curry and Klay miss entire season)
2021 - Lebron injured for significant time and Klay misses entire season. This opens it up for new teams like Phoenix and Milwaukee to fill the void.
2022 - Warriors healthy and win again.

I'd say the new era really started last year as the Curry-Lebron era finally appears to have ended.

I think it will now be the Luka-Jokic era (kind of like when you had the Lakers and Spurs in the early 2000s battling it out) in a stacked West.
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Post#4 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:18 pm

NBA is now going to be about matching up against other teams. Your top 15 player can easily lose to a top 25 player. Your big man might be a top 75 player, but if the other team doesn’t have a big, or only one big then your top 75 player can look like a top 10 player

Gobert n Kat n Naz are better than Lively Gafford n PJ Washington, but doesn’t really matter if they match up well & can be outplayed because of the system or because they’re better incorporated.

Just match up n well & play the games. Jason Tatum is shooting sub 30% from 3, is that top 7 player production?
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Post#5 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:23 pm

The harsher cap will shorten windows and spread the talent more evenly. You will still have great teams that advertise well which is important but now Execs will have to be extra careful during the contention windows and how they operate in order to stay competitive.
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Post#6 » by Tofubeque » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:47 pm

JB7 wrote:Very interesting read. I think the construct of the max salary's is creating this reality, and now combined with the new CBA which limits teams above the 2nd apron to do anything beyond it, is making it next to impossible to build another dynasty like say the Warriors, or even the Lakers (Shaq & Kobe).

If a team is able to get three high level talent players on max deals, their ability to even fill out a roster is severely limited. The Suns are the clearest example, and the 2nd apron rules have not even kicked in yet, but even the Celtics are another example. They have managed to gather a core of great players, but their whole championship window is held by a thread that is their two bigs, Horford who just turned 38, and KP who can't stay on the court.


An even bigger pain point for Boston will be owing Jrue Holiday for 3-4 more seasons. He's turning 34, on the decline, and they might be paying him $37m in his age 38 season. After him and the bigs, who's their next best player after Derrick White, Pritchard? Not sure I see a parity-ending dynasty there either.

That said, they might keep getting an easy path to the Finals unless the rest of the East can get its act together. Milwaukee is even older. Philly depends on Embiid's health even if they lure a 3rd star. Teams like Orlando, Indiana probably several moves away still.
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Post#7 » by Scase » Tue Jun 4, 2024 9:03 pm

What this strongly suggests to me is that the notion of parity is still somewhat confined in the NBA, but it might be worded as something like “parity in the contenders class.” Fringy, flawed playoff teams still get obliterated in the first round right on schedule; lower seeds are 8-40 in the first round since 2019. Thanks for stopping by. However, as the data above shows, the few that survive can fare much better …. like the 2023 Heat or the 2024 Mavericks.


This right here is the biggest takeaway for people trying to act like there is parity in the league. People like to use the heat as an example, but don't realize they are a massive outlier.

You do not have a legitimate chance to win anything, unless you are a high seeded team. You don't become a high seeded team, unless you are good. You do not become good, without elite talent.

This is why I am not a fan of the whole "team compete" mantra, top talent always wins out. The Mavs are even an outlier of an outlier. They were a "lower" seed, being 5th in the west, yet they also had the 6th best record in the league. That is not a fringy lower seed, that is a stacked west coast. And that still doesn't take into account Kyrie being out for a huge stretch of the season.

Before he was back for good, the Mavs were 26-23, which puts them on pace for a 42-38 season. With him back in the lineup, they went 24-7, which was on pace for a 63-19 season. The Mavs doesn't even qualify to be one of the poster children of the outliers, really only the Heat do.

The teams that lose in the playoffs are either young teams with elite talent (OKC), or teams that had less elite talent than their opponents (DEN). You flat out, do not win without top shelf talent. Parity is a mirage.
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Post#8 » by TheGeneral99 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 9:28 pm

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What this strongly suggests to me is that the notion of parity is still somewhat confined in the NBA, but it might be worded as something like “parity in the contenders class.” Fringy, flawed playoff teams still get obliterated in the first round right on schedule; lower seeds are 8-40 in the first round since 2019. Thanks for stopping by. However, as the data above shows, the few that survive can fare much better …. like the 2023 Heat or the 2024 Mavericks.


This right here is the biggest takeaway for people trying to act like there is parity in the league. People like to use the heat as an example, but don't realize they are a massive outlier.

You do not have a legitimate chance to win anything, unless you are a high seeded team. You don't become a high seeded team, unless you are good. You do not become good, without elite talent.

This is why I am not a fan of the whole "team compete" mantra, top talent always wins out. The Mavs are even an outlier of an outlier. They were a "lower" seed, being 5th in the west, yet they also had the 6th best record in the league. That is not a fringy lower seed, that is a stacked west coast. And that still doesn't take into account Kyrie being out for a huge stretch of the season.

Before he was back for good, the Mavs were 26-23, which puts them on pace for a 42-38 season. With him back in the lineup, they went 24-7, which was on pace for a 63-19 season. The Mavs doesn't even qualify to be one of the poster children of the outliers, really only the Heat do.

The teams that lose in the playoffs are either young teams with elite talent (OKC), or teams that had less elite talent than their opponents (DEN). You flat out, do not win without top shelf talent. Parity is a mirage.


Lol, I think the difference is that there is much more parity in terms of stars teaming up together.

Here is the difference:

2010-2014 Heat - Lebron #1 teamed up with Wade who was a top 5 player at the time and Bosh was a top 15 player...and all three of them were in their prime.
2015-2018 - Lebron #1, teamed up with Kyrie who was a top 15 budding star player and Love who was considered a top 10 player at the time...all in their primes.
2016-2019 Warriors - Durant who a top 3 player at the time teamed up with Curry who was also a top 3 player and Klay who was a top 15 player, as well as Draymond who was a top 25 player...with all 4 in their prime.

It made the league a lot less exciting because you knew that the Heat/Cavs or Warriors were going to make the finals before the season began. When you have three all-stars on the team with two top 5 players...it just makes it really unfair.

Today it's a bit different.

Denver - features 1 all-star/MVP player...with a solid supporting cast but no other all-stars.
Dallas - features 1 MVP player and another all-star with a relatively weak supporting cast.
Milwaukee - features 1 MVP player and another star player (who is 33).
Philly - Has an MVP caliber player and another all-star.
Boston - Has two all-star players and a great supporting cast.
OKC - Has one MVP caliber/all-star player and a young up and coming supporting cast.

Phoenix is really the only team that featured three all-stars, but Durant and Beal are old and at the end of their primes.

So in the past few years we aren't seeing teams with two MVP caliber players together and another all-star like we did a decade ago. Generally speaking most contenders have an MVP caliber player or two all-stars at most.
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Post#9 » by JB7 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 9:37 pm

Scase wrote:
What this strongly suggests to me is that the notion of parity is still somewhat confined in the NBA, but it might be worded as something like “parity in the contenders class.” Fringy, flawed playoff teams still get obliterated in the first round right on schedule; lower seeds are 8-40 in the first round since 2019. Thanks for stopping by. However, as the data above shows, the few that survive can fare much better …. like the 2023 Heat or the 2024 Mavericks.


This right here is the biggest takeaway for people trying to act like there is parity in the league. People like to use the heat as an example, but don't realize they are a massive outlier.

You do not have a legitimate chance to win anything, unless you are a high seeded team. You don't become a high seeded team, unless you are good. You do not become good, without elite talent.

This is why I am not a fan of the whole "team compete" mantra, top talent always wins out. The Mavs are even an outlier of an outlier. They were a "lower" seed, being 5th in the west, yet they also had the 6th best record in the league. That is not a fringy lower seed, that is a stacked west coast. And that still doesn't take into account Kyrie being out for a huge stretch of the season.

Before he was back for good, the Mavs were 26-23, which puts them on pace for a 42-38 season. With him back in the lineup, they went 24-7, which was on pace for a 63-19 season. The Mavs doesn't even qualify to be one of the poster children of the outliers, really only the Heat do.

The teams that lose in the playoffs are either young teams with elite talent (OKC), or teams that had less elite talent than their opponents (DEN). You flat out, do not win without top shelf talent. Parity is a mirage.


Yes the general rule is elite talent wins out in the NBA. Sometimes elite defense is able to overcome (Pistons championships).

I think the reason for the parity amongst champions recently though is a combination of: there is not one player that dominates above all elite talent; and with the current and upcoming CBA, building around those elite players has become much more difficult.
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Post#10 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:30 pm

Boston really is not set up to be a dynasty.

That is a team that includes the oft-injured Kristaps, Jrue who is gonna fall off at any time at his age (34 in a week), and asks 38 year old Horford to be a very important piece. They will be capped out soon and will struggle to replace the talent going out unless they hit on some picks.

THey for sure will be good for a long time, but they are not some terrifying dynasty like we have seen in the past.
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JB7 wrote:
Scase wrote:
What this strongly suggests to me is that the notion of parity is still somewhat confined in the NBA, but it might be worded as something like “parity in the contenders class.” Fringy, flawed playoff teams still get obliterated in the first round right on schedule; lower seeds are 8-40 in the first round since 2019. Thanks for stopping by. However, as the data above shows, the few that survive can fare much better …. like the 2023 Heat or the 2024 Mavericks.


This right here is the biggest takeaway for people trying to act like there is parity in the league. People like to use the heat as an example, but don't realize they are a massive outlier.

You do not have a legitimate chance to win anything, unless you are a high seeded team. You don't become a high seeded team, unless you are good. You do not become good, without elite talent.

This is why I am not a fan of the whole "team compete" mantra, top talent always wins out. The Mavs are even an outlier of an outlier. They were a "lower" seed, being 5th in the west, yet they also had the 6th best record in the league. That is not a fringy lower seed, that is a stacked west coast. And that still doesn't take into account Kyrie being out for a huge stretch of the season.

Before he was back for good, the Mavs were 26-23, which puts them on pace for a 42-38 season. With him back in the lineup, they went 24-7, which was on pace for a 63-19 season. The Mavs doesn't even qualify to be one of the poster children of the outliers, really only the Heat do.

The teams that lose in the playoffs are either young teams with elite talent (OKC), or teams that had less elite talent than their opponents (DEN). You flat out, do not win without top shelf talent. Parity is a mirage.


Yes the general rule is elite talent wins out in the NBA. Sometimes elite defense is able to overcome (Pistons championships).

I think the reason for the parity amongst champions recently though is a combination of: there is not one player that dominates above all elite talent; and with the current and upcoming CBA, building around those elite players has become much more difficult.
And his argument completely ignores that "team compete" or whatever the **** he calls people who disagree with him don't actually think we have championship hopes if we are a 6th seed.

But you can build on a 6th seed to become a 3rd seed. It is not like you become a 6th seed then throw your hands up and stop looking to make moves.
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Post#12 » by Scase » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:51 pm

JB7 wrote:
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What this strongly suggests to me is that the notion of parity is still somewhat confined in the NBA, but it might be worded as something like “parity in the contenders class.” Fringy, flawed playoff teams still get obliterated in the first round right on schedule; lower seeds are 8-40 in the first round since 2019. Thanks for stopping by. However, as the data above shows, the few that survive can fare much better …. like the 2023 Heat or the 2024 Mavericks.


This right here is the biggest takeaway for people trying to act like there is parity in the league. People like to use the heat as an example, but don't realize they are a massive outlier.

You do not have a legitimate chance to win anything, unless you are a high seeded team. You don't become a high seeded team, unless you are good. You do not become good, without elite talent.

This is why I am not a fan of the whole "team compete" mantra, top talent always wins out. The Mavs are even an outlier of an outlier. They were a "lower" seed, being 5th in the west, yet they also had the 6th best record in the league. That is not a fringy lower seed, that is a stacked west coast. And that still doesn't take into account Kyrie being out for a huge stretch of the season.

Before he was back for good, the Mavs were 26-23, which puts them on pace for a 42-38 season. With him back in the lineup, they went 24-7, which was on pace for a 63-19 season. The Mavs doesn't even qualify to be one of the poster children of the outliers, really only the Heat do.

The teams that lose in the playoffs are either young teams with elite talent (OKC), or teams that had less elite talent than their opponents (DEN). You flat out, do not win without top shelf talent. Parity is a mirage.


Yes the general rule is elite talent wins out in the NBA. Sometimes elite defense is able to overcome (Pistons championships).

I think the reason for the parity amongst champions recently though is a combination of: there is not one player that dominates above all elite talent; and with the current and upcoming CBA, building around those elite players has become much more difficult.

Yeah, I think it's a lot to do with what TheGeneral was saying, the parity is there cause the elite players are spread around a bit more. But it's still not "real" parity. The same top teams will continue to be the real threats, but now it's maybe 3-4 teams instead of 1-2.
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Post#13 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:59 pm

Good article. Many things to take from it. One is something I posted recently, with the newest CBA apron stuff (not that I understand the details) seems like a 2 year window is all a team gets before the roster gets too expensive. Knicks are on the cusp of it now but must make the right moves. Pacers once Haliburton gets his all NBA bonus and Pascal his max, maybe too late already to build a balanced deep roster. I think Sixers and Bucks are done too because it'll be too hard to hang onto aging stars while adding talent. Adding the "third star" is the sticking point.

You have to look at all contenders now through this new 2 year prism or 3 tops. The Raptors are so far from even being in the mix of teams becoming able to contend.

Injuries are a factor the author mentions but doesn't link it to the new parity model. Not sure I've seen a playoff year so affected by injuries.
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Post#14 » by GP2 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:59 pm

All it means is the Bruce Browns of the world make their big splash and get paid by another team. There is simply no way for a team to retain every high level role player. In 2020, we managed to keep all the role players, except our star left lol.

At the end of the day, we're about to have 6 different champions in as many seasons. That's pretty nifty.
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Re: Hollinger: Is the NBA in the middle of a new age of parity? Or is it about to exit one? 

Post#15 » by Tha Cynic » Wed Jun 5, 2024 3:10 am

Parity is just another way of saying there aren't as many clear superstars while we have allowed 3 point shooting to give us the impression that we have many stars. Personally, I find the league today seriously lacks superstars outside of Jokic, Doncic and Giannis. The next part of this list are all aging stars.

Jokic has dealt with some injuries to his team (this year notwithstanding )and Doncic really hasn't had a great supporting cast, but those are your only true new superstars who aren't from the previous era. Of course you can throw Giannis in there too and again they have dealt with injuries.
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Re: Hollinger: Is the NBA in the middle of a new age of parity? Or is it about to exit one? 

Post#16 » by JB7 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 3:57 am

Tha Cynic wrote:Parity is just another way of saying there aren't as many clear superstars while we have allowed 3 point shooting to give us the impression that we have many stars. Personally, I find the league today seriously lacks superstars outside of Jokic, Doncic and Giannis. The next part of this list are all aging stars.

Jokic has dealt with some injuries to his team (this year notwithstanding )and Doncic really hasn't had a great supporting cast, but those are your only true new superstars who aren't from the previous era. Of course you can throw Giannis in there too and again they have dealt with injuries.


What about SGA and Ant? Or are you just listing superstars who have won, or are about to win?
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Re: Hollinger: Is the NBA in the middle of a new age of parity? Or is it about to exit one? 

Post#17 » by TheGeneral99 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 1:37 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:Parity is just another way of saying there aren't as many clear superstars while we have allowed 3 point shooting to give us the impression that we have many stars. Personally, I find the league today seriously lacks superstars outside of Jokic, Doncic and Giannis. The next part of this list are all aging stars.

Jokic has dealt with some injuries to his team (this year notwithstanding )and Doncic really hasn't had a great supporting cast, but those are your only true new superstars who aren't from the previous era. Of course you can throw Giannis in there too and again they have dealt with injuries.


I disagree here and I actually think the star power of today is higher than ever before.

2014 - Let's go back a decade to 2014 for instance: You had aging stars like Kobe, Garnett, Pierce, Duncan, Manu, Dwight, Dirk, Parker, Johnson, Allen etc. at the end of their primes. At the same time you the current stars of Lebron, Wade, Melo, CP3, George, Bosh, Wall, Durant, Griffin, Westbrook Love, Aldridge etc. and then you had the up and coming stars like Steph, Harden, Kawhi, Derozan, Lowry, Kyrie, Lillard, AD etc.


2024 - So similarly you have the aging stars like Lebron, Harden, CP3, Lowry, Durant, Westbrook, Steph, Klay, Green, Beal, George etc. and you have the current stars of Jokic, Giannis, AD, Embiid, Luka, Booker, Towns, Bam, Tatum, Brown, Trae, Mitchell etc. And then you have the up and coming stars like Edwards, Shai, Wemby, Haliburton, Chet, Barnes, Sengun, Wagner, Mobley, Brunson, Banchero, Maxey etc.

League seems to be in a great place to me.
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Re: Hollinger: Is the NBA in the middle of a new age of parity? Or is it about to exit one? 

Post#18 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 1:42 pm

The new crop of superstars doesn't appear interested in building super teams.
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Re: Hollinger: Is the NBA in the middle of a new age of parity? Or is it about to exit one? 

Post#19 » by Tha Cynic » Wed Jun 5, 2024 2:57 pm

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Tha Cynic wrote:Parity is just another way of saying there aren't as many clear superstars while we have allowed 3 point shooting to give us the impression that we have many stars. Personally, I find the league today seriously lacks superstars outside of Jokic, Doncic and Giannis. The next part of this list are all aging stars.

Jokic has dealt with some injuries to his team (this year notwithstanding )and Doncic really hasn't had a great supporting cast, but those are your only true new superstars who aren't from the previous era. Of course you can throw Giannis in there too and again they have dealt with injuries.


What about SGA and Ant? Or are you just listing superstars who have won, or are about to win?


I would not classify either as a legit superstar right now (there's no longevity there), though i do think Shai is closer than ANT who has been getting more hype.

To me a superstar is someone who will make the other team legitimately cower in fear. I think teams could tell ANT was inconsistent and Shai's midrange game could be overcome. Shai is more like Steph where you need a really good team around you that does everything well. Guys like Jokic, Luka and Giannis overwhelm you and can carry you on their own. Those to me are legit superstars.
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Post#20 » by Tha Cynic » Wed Jun 5, 2024 3:05 pm

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Tha Cynic wrote:Parity is just another way of saying there aren't as many clear superstars while we have allowed 3 point shooting to give us the impression that we have many stars. Personally, I find the league today seriously lacks superstars outside of Jokic, Doncic and Giannis. The next part of this list are all aging stars.

Jokic has dealt with some injuries to his team (this year notwithstanding )and Doncic really hasn't had a great supporting cast, but those are your only true new superstars who aren't from the previous era. Of course you can throw Giannis in there too and again they have dealt with injuries.


I disagree here and I actually think the star power of today is higher than ever before.

2014 - Let's go back a decade to 2014 for instance: You had aging stars like Kobe, Garnett, Pierce, Duncan, Manu, Dwight, Dirk, Parker, Johnson, Allen etc. at the end of their primes. At the same time you the current stars of Lebron, Wade, Melo, CP3, George, Bosh, Wall, Durant, Griffin, Westbrook Love, Aldridge etc. and then you had the up and coming stars like Steph, Harden, Kawhi, Derozan, Lowry, Kyrie, Lillard, AD etc.


2024 - So similarly you have the aging stars like Lebron, Harden, CP3, Lowry, Durant, Westbrook, Steph, Klay, Green, Beal, George etc. and you have the current stars of Jokic, Giannis, AD, Embiid, Luka, Booker, Towns, Bam, Tatum, Brown, Trae, Mitchell etc. And then you have the up and coming stars like Edwards, Shai, Wemby, Haliburton, Chet, Barnes, Sengun, Wagner, Mobley, Brunson, Banchero, Maxey etc.

League seems to be in a great place to me.


I don't know. When I look at the 2014 up and compare it to the 2024, it doesn't hit the same way, but we do have the bias of knowing what the new stars in 2014 became.

Talent will always grow. Players will always get better. If you took players from the past and gave them the same resources players today have, imo they would be even better today. But the players who transcend the team itself is who i think this era is lacking. I'm still iffy about any of the new players other than the 3 players listed above and then add Wemby as the new guy.
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