Don’t show this to my fellow Wolves fans…Best Naz Reid offers?

[Devilanche]

Joe is a killer…

Presti is too smart not to lock Joe up on an MLE level deal this offseason. Cap space is there for him and a big.

So Joe can’t really be traded IMO.

(Not commenting on Joe versus Naz. Just Joe will be on a 3-4 year deal by the time he is eligible to be traded.)

I wonder who will get overpaid more between Joe and Reid for example. Knowing their next overpaid contract will help decide which one may be more preferred .

If Presti does the right thing and pays Joe this summer instead of keeping his option, Reid will obviously be paid more.

Reid deserves more though so that’s not what I was saying?

But in 18 months when Joe should have 3yr45-50 left and Reid is on year one of a 4yr90-100..

Joe will be an affordable luxury who can come in and change games, kill defense spirits, annoy rival fan bases….

Where Reid will be making starter money as they both deserve.

Ah I meant more that if market value of joe is like 13m but OKC paid him 17m … and if market value of Reid is 25m but he’s getting only 26m then Reid would probably be the better deal going forward.

Considering them from a team cap point of view going forward .

[BadWolf]

Giddey for Reid.
Sota hopes Giddey is their PG of the future.
Okc can add some value if needed, Dieng, picks...

[Kalamazoo317]

I think the Pistons should be willing to trade #5 straight up for Reid. I think it's good value for both teams. Reid is young enough to fit with the core on the Pistons and is exactly the type of player we need and would love to get at #5. We're gambling on being able to resign him, but that's less of a gamble than what we'd be gambling on with the #5 pick straight up, IMO. I'd also trade Ivey for Reid instead if that's preferable to the Wolves.

[Warriors Analyst]

Would love the Warriors to make a play for Naz but realistically we don't have the pieces to get him (at least that we would be willing to give up).

The only somewhat reasonable offer I can see from our end would be something based on Podziemski and I don't see the FO signing off on that.

Naz was probably gettable at any point between 2020-22 for Wiseman. Would have been a great target right after the 22 chip.

[toooskies]

Miami out: Robinson, Jovic, 15, 2 future 2nds
Miami in: Reid, McDaniels

Toronto out: Boucher, McDaniels
Toronto in: Robinson, 2 future MIA 2nds

Minnesota out: Reid
Minnesota in: Jovic, Boucher, 15

Why for Miami: add a starting big next to Bam
Why for Toronto: get a few 2nds for eating the extra 15M owe to Robinson this yr and next
Why for Minny: restock front court depth and add a mid 1st to draft a combo/pg (McCain/Carter etc)

Fooled me in the first half with that being Toronto's McDaniels going to Miami.

[shrink]

I think the Pistons should be willing to trade #5 straight up for Reid. I think it's good value for both teams. Reid is young enough to fit with the core on the Pistons and is exactly the type of player we need and would love to get at #5. We're gambling on being able to resign him, but that's less of a gamble than what we'd be gambling on with the #5 pick straight up, IMO. I'd also trade Ivey for Reid instead if that's preferable to the Wolves.

I’ll tell you, that could be a really intrigueing offer, and it’s certainly good value for the Wolves.

I posted earlier why the realities of trading Naz would be hard for MIN, especially to get younger, but Tim Connelly is not hanging up the phone on this offer. It’s got extra value to MIN because the pick has 4 years of team control, the lower price tag probably lets MIN stay under the second apron, and Connelly’s greatest GM strength is his ability to scout young talent. I’m no scout, so I can’t say what the #5 pick would be, four years from now, but to me, that’s a lot of value. Maybe Tim Connelly would think so too?

[Kalamazoo317]

Whereas a Reid seems to me like someone who's young enough to age well with our core and talented enough to work as a defensive anchor *and* stretch big man that could make it so we could play Ausar without it being an offensive liability. That's a better fit for our needs than anything we're likely to get at #5.

Win-win?

[moss_is_1]

Whereas a Reid seems to me like someone who's young enough to age well with our core and talented enough to work as a defensive anchor *and* stretch big man that could make it so we could play Ausar without it being an offensive liability. That's a better fit for our needs than anything we're likely to get at #5.

Win-win?

Naz is definitely not a defensive anchor. I'd say at best his defense is inconsistent. He shows the ability to defend and he moves well on switches at times, and makes the occasion weak side blocks. However I'd say he's a bad defender overall. Might be why he didn't get more minutes overall. The defense tanks when he replaces Rudy.

[Colbinii]

Whereas a Reid seems to me like someone who's young enough to age well with our core and talented enough to work as a defensive anchor *and* stretch big man that could make it so we could play Ausar without it being an offensive liability. That's a better fit for our needs than anything we're likely to get at #5.

Win-win?

Detroit would need to instantly fire their new President/GM if they traded #5 for Reid [who is on an expiring deal and isn't close to a defensive anchor].

[Kalamazoo317]

Maybe the eye test isn't there, but Naz had the 13th best defensive rating in the league last year. Gobert was 16th.

From my impressions as an outside observer, Minny's defense is a sum of its parts (and has a ton of great parts) but Naz seems like he's a significant part in there. He'd certainly be an improvement on Duren in terms of defense, and a Naz, Isiah Stewart, Grimes, Ausar grouping around Cade would have potential to make our defense at least average, imo.

[Kalamazoo317]

Whereas a Reid seems to me like someone who's young enough to age well with our core and talented enough to work as a defensive anchor *and* stretch big man that could make it so we could play Ausar without it being an offensive liability. That's a better fit for our needs than anything we're likely to get at #5.

Win-win?

Detroit would need to instantly fire their new President/GM if they traded #5 for Reid [who is on an expiring deal and isn't close to a defensive anchor].

You wouldn't do the trade unless you were confident you could resign him longterm. That said, I sincerely doubt whoever they get at #5 in this draft is going to end up being a better player than Naz.

[Colbinii]

Whereas a Reid seems to me like someone who's young enough to age well with our core and talented enough to work as a defensive anchor *and* stretch big man that could make it so we could play Ausar without it being an offensive liability. That's a better fit for our needs than anything we're likely to get at #5.

Win-win?

Detroit would need to instantly fire their new President/GM if they traded #5 for Reid [who is on an expiring deal and isn't close to a defensive anchor].

You wouldn't do the trade unless you were confident you could resign him longterm. That said, I sincerely doubt whoever they get at #5 in this draft is going to end up being a better player than Naz.

Sure, the odds may not be in favor of Detroit but Detroit is in a position where they take a player who has a much higher ceiling than 6MOY/Low-end Starter.

That's sort of the whole point of the Top Picks in an NBA Draft, you are drafting for ceiling.

[Kalamazoo317]

Who's to say that Reid, at 24, has reached his ceiling? That's still before what's considered a player's "prime."

How many players at #5 in this draft realistically have a higher ceiling than Naz has and what are the odds of our picking just the right one?

Also, Reid fits the roster in a way that a lot of higher ceiling players don't, imo. If you want someone with true star potential in this draft, it's because you're looking for on ball creation. Is drafting an on ball creator to go along with Cade really what we want or need? Does that player really become a star playing alongside Cade?

[Colbinii]

Who's to say that Reid, at 24, has reached his ceiling? That's still before what's considered a player's "prime."

Nobody said that. But he has very clear limitations as a player.

-Solely a Spot-Up, Catch-and-Shoot 3P Shooter
-Limited on-ball creation for others with a sub-10% AST%
-Mediocre Rim Protector and poor rebounder

Naz Reid has clear limitations which allows us to accurately [within a certain degree of confidence] to what he will be at his very best. He isn't going to become a playmaker in the post. He isn't going to add 30 LBS and bang in the post or on the boards. He isn't going to develop a consistent dribble pull-up game offensively.

He is a connective piece offensively who spaces the floor well and crashes the glass hard. He is a complimentary piece.

How many players at #5 in this draft realistically have a higher ceiling than Naz has and what are the odds of our picking just the right one?

Quite a few. Cody Williams, Reed Sheppard, Dalton Knecht, Matas Buzelis, Rob Dillingham, Ronald Holland, Donovan Clingan, Ja'Kobe Walter, Nikola Topic, Tidjane Salaun, Carlton Carrington.

All of these guys have some higher-end outcomes where they could become either on-ball impact guys like Dillingham, Knecht, Sheppard, Topic and Salaun or two-way play from Williams, Buzelis, Holland, Clingan, Walter and Carrington.

Unfortunately, neither you nor I know the actual odds of these players being better than Naz Reid. NBA Teams likely aren't for certain on those exact odds of success.

Also, Reid fits the roster in a way that a lot of higher ceiling players don't, imo. If you want someone with true star potential in this draft, it's because you're looking for on ball creation. Is drafting an on ball creator to go along with Cade really what we want or need? Does that player really become a star playing alongside Cade?

Nah, plenty of the players I listed project as excellent complimentary pieces. Holland, Clingan, Walter, Salaun, Buzelis, Sheppard and Williams can all either defend at a high-level, have tools to defend at a high level or are ATG shooting prospects [Sheppard].

If Detroit loved Dillingham, there is no reason they should not pick him if he is BPA. Same for Knecht or another guard. Picking for fit when you are the worst team in the NBA is how you stay horrible.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'm not arguing we should pick for fit. But I am arguing that picking someone with redundant skills and usage is going to limit their ceiling and development on our team.

I think we both just value Naz differently and see him differently as a player (and same with players in this draft - Matas looks like a bust to me, for instance). We'll just have to see how it plays out.

[Residual-Heat]

I think KAT is the better target for the Pistons.

[mademan]

I would normally say that the 5th pick for a UFA to be role player coming off of what is currently an outlier shooting performance from 3 is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

But the Pistons have something like 6 different underperforming/poor fitting lotto picks on their roster and this is a bad draft. It is still a terrible valuation, but i can see them rationalizing it.

[shrink]

Who's to say that Reid, at 24, has reached his ceiling? That's still before what's considered a player's "prime."

I think he’s one of the safest bets on improvement. Granted he started as a pretty unskilled, undrafted player, but he says it woke him up that he’d have to work extra hard. In fact, when other players go on vacation for the summer, Reid stays and works on adding a new ability to his game. Every new season, seeing what Naz can suddenly do is like opening a present on Christmas. So far, he added a handle, he developed the cross-over, came back one year with a Euro, and revamped his body.

On the downside, I agree with the other posters. Naz hasn’t been a defensive anchor, and his defensive stats might be inflated by the people he plays with. But I don’t count anything out on this player for next year! It’s obvious why he’s a fan favorite.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The fifth pick for an expiring player who cannot be extended feels rich to me even in "this draft."

[Devilanche]

The fifth pick for an expiring player who cannot be extended feels rich to me even in "this draft."

And that’s for a team that is still rebuilding.

This is not like a Detroit at #2 situation where they picked darko and could have picked a safe floor player to extend their championship dream.

This is a Detroit that trying to get to a play-in / play-off spot.

Aim for the higher ceiling , even if the resulting player end up out of the league in 4 seasons time.