2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I'd take Flip over Ware in a heartbeat. Flip has a ton of markers that have strong correlations with NBA success that I've pointed out a couple of times already and is a much more rare and valuable mold as an offensive hub.

Honestly even if there aren't character concerns I don't see a special player in Ware. I still have serious doubts about how bad he wants it. He has enough natural talent to stick in the league but in what capacity is the big question mark and I'm not sure there's anything really special about him. I could see him being a backup and the high end outcome being a backup mostly and starting for some meh teams a few years.

[bballsparkin]

I kinda hope Flip becomes a Raptor. I think he will be a valuable 10 year vet type of player. He for sure has skills. I think he will translate well to the NBA. He can put it on the floor and make the pass. He can shoot. He might have T-Rex arms for the NBA but he moves his feet well.

The question is compared to where he stands in front of some of the other bigs. Ware and Edey could wind up top 10 players in the draft. I got to think that if a player with Ware's attributes drops to #19 then he must have some serious red flags. Holmes could be better than all of them. Missi looks promising as well.

[CazOnReal]

In order of who i'd choose amongst the center prospects (If available at 19):
-Missi
-Ware
-Filipowski
-Holmes
-Edey

In order of who i'd be most to least excited if the F.O. drafted them:
-Ware
-Missi
-Holmes
-Filipowski
-Edey

Obviously there's the possibility of them going with Chomche at 31 and Holmes is more of a swingman than a straight up center but I digress. My biggest problem with Filipowski is that his defense is...really bad for a center. He's basically a prospect you hope becomes prime Kelly Olynyk who, while a good player, was never notable as a rim protector and doesn't significantly raise your team's ceiling. They're useful to have on a roster for spacing and there is value to be had in getting a rotational player in a draft where almost every prospect has huge question marks but there isn't any guarantee Kyle's shooting will translate to the NBA - he shot 67% from the line this year and his college career average isn't that much higher at 72% - nor that he'll become as good as Kelly who, you know, we already have.

I'd rather opt for a higher ceiling center, especially if the team does decide to trade Poeltl midseason to tank and thus that center prospect will get some serious minutes to figure out their game at the 5. Missi and Ware both have serious question marks, namely with regards to their own FT% and ability/willingness to shoot a higher volume of 3s than they did in college (or in Missi's case, shooting 3s at all). Ware also has some major questions about his defense even if one ignores the motor concerns but I digress.

[Tha Cynic]

Basically this draft looks like a chance for the Raptors to sign a role player in free agency (but in this case the player has no choice but to sign with us).

[Syd-TK3]

I only like Ware and Holmes when it comes to the bigs

[ItsDanger]

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[PhilBlackson]

I’ll pass on a Filipowksi, I’m not wasting a frp on a guy I just hope to be a solid rotation player, we already have those at the position.


Truthfully Ware is THE only big I’d want to take in the 1st because he can actually become the long term answer at the position.

I like Edey & Holmes but they’re at the opposite ends of the same problem as they’ll likely be matchup dependent bigs. Edey is gigantic and will need to be played when there’s other big players on the court & Holmes is the size of a PF (6’8.75 w/ 7’1 span). Chomche is just too much of a mystery box to take in the first

So for me it’s really only Ware as he has the potential to be court at all times and if we’re gonna use a 1st on a big when we already have them…then it better be for a guy who can take their spot and really solve our problem at C which is Kelly can shoot/space the floor but too short to protect the rim, Yak can’t shoot to save his life but protects the rim. Ware is the guy who is capable of both AND be a serious lob threat. He’s easily at the top of the C list for me.

My 3 favourites at the IND pick is him, Carrington or Collier (HMs Carter, Tyson & Smith).

[BoyzNTheHood]

I’ll pass on a Filipowksi, I’m not wasting a frp on a guy I just hope to be a solid rotation player, we already have those at the position.


Truthfully Ware is THE only big I’d want to take in the 1st because he can actually become the long term answer at the position.

I like Edey & Holmes but they’re at the opposite ends of the same problem as they’ll likely be matchup dependent bigs. Edey is gigantic and will need to be played when there’s other big players on the court & Holmes is the size of a PF (6’8.75 w/ 7’1 span). Chomche is just too much of a mystery box to take in the first

So for me it’s really only Ware as he has the potential to be court at all times and if we’re gonna use a 1st on a big when we already have them…then it better be for a guy who can take their spot and really solve our problem at C which is Kelly can shoot/space the floor but too short to protect the rim, Yak can’t shoot to save his life but protects the rim. Ware is the guy who is capable of both AND be a serious lob threat. He’s easily at the top of the C list for me.

My 3 favourites at the IND pick is him, Carrington or Collier (HMs Carter, Tyson & Smith).

Ware should honestly be in the same tier as Sarr in this draft, and it could be argued that Ware is better right now. I highly doubt he’ll be there when we pick, but I hope Masai/Bobby do what it takes to pick him. I’d love to grab another pick in the lottery just for him (it might have to be top 10).

[Dalek]

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I really want Edey to do well but you could hear him huffing after the workout trying to catch his breath. I want a guy who can play sustained minutes.

I have a hard time believing Edey is going to stay on the court for more than 8 minute runs. Think of how many possessions are in the NBA now and think of Edey changing ends at NBA speed. It seems impossible for him.

[ItsDanger]

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I really want Edey to do well but you could hear him huffing after the workout trying to catch his breath. I want a guy who can play sustained minutes.

I have a hard time believing Edey is going to stay on the court for more than 8 minute runs. Think of how many possessions are in the NBA now and think of Edey changing ends at NBA speed. It seems impossible for him.

Sometimes they get interviewed right after the workout, who knows what they had him doing. His conditioning seemed fine at college. Whether he can handle the pace in NBA is another question, good conditioning or not.

[Dalek]

While I still favor Filipowski over the other C prospects, I still love a good hype video. For all the Ware-believers aka Ware-wolves.

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You have Filipowski over Ware and Edey?

Yes. Cannot understand that. Ware has so many attributes as a prospect. Filipowski is a bit underwhelming defensively. Edey is like no other player in the draft.

I just believe that Flip is going to shoot it better than Ware in the end. He just projects as a better offensive weapon with way more feel for passing and is a high motor guy that led his Duke team. His energy fed the team.

Lauri Markannen shot 16 and 7 at Arizona and while he shot the three better Flip matched his numbers and exceeded him as a passer.

It took Lauri a couple years but I think Flip has it in him. He cares and he works hard and has touch and skill. He is a high floor guy who I think can progress. He does worry me with the fouling and he can get frustrated at times but I don't think of it as a bad thing.

[ItsDanger]

Filipowski seems like that plus offense negative defense type player. The Olynyk comparisons appears accurate.

[Dalek]

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[BoyzNTheHood]

I’m not sure if anyone else saw this, but did Edey look like he had a weak base to anyone else? In college he would never be able to back anyone down like a 7’5” 300 pound guy should. It always seemed like he backed them down a bit and then threw up a shot, which was effective for him. I’m just not sure you can do that against guys with NBA strength and skills.

[bozothepope]

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I really want Edey to do well but you could hear him huffing after the workout trying to catch his breath. I want a guy who can play sustained minutes.

I have a hard time believing Edey is going to stay on the court for more than 8 minute runs. Think of how many possessions are in the NBA now and think of Edey changing ends at NBA speed. It seems impossible for him.

Clearly you didn’t watch Edey in the NCAA tournament because he rarely rested and even his harshest critics applauded his stamina.

[Dalek]

Filipowski seems like that plus offense negative defense type player. The Olynyk comparisons appears accurate.

I think he will be better than KO. He had a decent block rate and he can switch onto guards at times. I agree that he won't be a plus on defense but I do think he is passable not a target.

He looked a bit better playing with Lively so let's see how he is with Poeltl. Playing big lineups with Scottie seems like it would be a smart experiment. If we test him out to close games it could get messy but worth it. I think the scoring and spacing he offers could change this team's dynamic.

To me, he could win ROY in this situation. It is the right fit for him to get minutes and do well in his roles in small and big lineups.

[ItsDanger]

I’m not sure if anyone else saw this, but did Edey look like he had a weak base to anyone else? In college he would never be able to back anyone down like a 7’5” 300 pound guy should. It always seemed like he backed them down a bit and then threw up a shot, which was effective for him. I’m just not sure you can do that against guys with NBA strength and skills.

His style is more about maintaining position. If he could handle Kofi Cockburn at 285 then shouldn't be an issue. Obviously NBA players are stronger so there will be an adjustment. However on the other side, having a 300 lb guy leaning on them constantly is going to wear them out.

[Dalek]

Clearly you didn’t watch Edey in the NCAA tournament because he rarely rested and even his harshest critics applauded his stamina.

For sure he improved his conditioning and was impressive in the tourney. I guess I can say I trust him in a marathon where the pace is more deliberate.

In the NBA it is more of a sprint and I don't know if he can change ends with the pace. It is like a lottery ticket drafting him but I think you have to live with him also not translating because no one is building around him as a post up big who sits in the paint most of the time.

[Psubs]

Filipowski seems like that plus offense negative defense type player. The Olynyk comparisons appears accurate.

I think he's more JV with a bit more handles.

[Thaddy]

Poeltl, Filipowski, and Barnes would be a good rim protecting front court. If Barnes makes more strides with his shooting it could be above average there too. I expect Filipowski to develop into an elite shooter for a big man and protect the rim at an above average rate for the PF position.