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Aside from Suns, which 7 teams do you think have the best chance at making the playoffs next year?

Clippers
6
14%
Grizzlies
5
12%
Kings
1
2%
Lakers
1
2%
Mavericks
6
14%
Nuggets
6
14%
Pelicans
3
7%
Rockets
2
5%
Thunder
6
14%
Timberwolves
6
14%
 
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#581 » by sunskerr » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:51 pm

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sunskerr wrote:Well whatever the case if we get the first pick again in a decade or whenever it is we own our picks, just make sure the dude can at least dribble a basketball first :lol: :noway:


So we miss on freshman versions of Shaq, TD, Embiid for Rubio. It's a bit more complicated than that. My conclusion is scouts should put more value in character evaluation. Switch Luka and DA's drive and we get completely different results from both.


It's a joke obviously but a piece of truth is behind it

If you consider the skill set at the time Ayton didn't really (still doesn't lol) have many relevant modern basketball skills.
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#582 » by King4Day » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:52 pm

handsome salary wrote:If Trae gets traded every team that passed on Luka will have given up on the players they chose ahead of him. And none of these organizations have ever won a championship.


In fairness, after the first season, I believe all 3 teams realized they messed up. Even Memphis (at 4) who nobody talks about. Not that there was any indication they had a package the Hawks were willing to take, though I'm willing to bet they could have offloaded a future first to make it happen. But had they really believed in Luka, they probably could have made the deal happen to swap with the Hawks.
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#583 » by King4Day » Tue Jun 4, 2024 3:59 pm

As for motor, I recall a report that Ant Edwards was a risky pick at 1 because he was supposedly not passionate about bball. So, nobody knew if he'd just play for the money and then half ass it like DA does. Like not having the passion to get better.

DA is talented but could be so much more if he cared. He clearly doesn't.
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#584 » by Son of Ra » Tue Jun 4, 2024 4:27 pm

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ChuckS wrote:I tried to stay out of this because I am hopelessly biased regarding KD, and my first psych prof said: "If someone tells you that wall is black and you know it is white -- do not argue". I think he would forgive it on a discussion board, though, which sadly would not exist if everyone felt that way. This discussion of IT has been really interesting. It made me nostalgic for those better days when a president explained what sexual relations really were. I think I understand every meaning of IT, and thought the most important point was the mention of subjectivity. I personally believe that no one most frequently considered a top ten to fifteen best ever, with the eighth most points scored, and 4th best playoff scoring average, among his other achievements already mentioned, who came back from ACL surgery after the age of 30 even better, could not have IT or particularly heart. I was especially convinced after he sustained that severe injury trying to save his team from losing in the finals when he was already seriously hurt. I could not understand the criticism of an all time great even more when I knew that even just some average fans were full of IT.

I don't know why you're hung up on this being a Durant bash because it's not. I think Kobe is a very overrated player. KD is 100% the better player imo. But come playoff time I'm taking Kobe 10 out of 10 times. Game 7 of the finals on the line, who's your pick? I think we have enough evidence that KD is not the guy despite being the better player.


To steal a line from Apollo Creed, Durant plays ball great but Luka is a great baller.


I read these as what is known as "damning with faint praise". I knew that Kevin and Kobe were great friends with mutual respect for their abilities. I remembered that LeBron picked KD first when he was an All Star team captain. But I knew I would not change some minds because I already posted quotes from Kerr, Popovich, Draymond, and Klay. I won't bore you with them again, but they are on page 27 of the off season thread. Instead, for those still undecided or open minded, following are thoughts of Luka, Kobe, Michael, and others most consider have IT:





https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/michael_jordan_on_young_kevin_durant_he_is_coming_you_talk_about_kobe_or_lebron_and_who_is_the_best_kevin_durant_is_gonna_sneak_in_the_back_door/s1_16751_37525266


I'll say it again KD just had the misfortune to be playing through the Kobe, Steph & Klay and LBJ prime years which stopped him from winning in OKC.

Today there is more parity in the league and with no dynasty team dominating the league it really gives a lot of teams a good chance of making the finals, unfortunately for KD the window for him is closing due to age but it shouldn't detract from the HOF career that he's had.

You're basically saying KD was unlucky there were better players than him otherwise he would've been the best. That's just moving the goal post to where your narrative needs it.

It's essentially the same thing as saying "Booker is unlucky there are 10-14 (going by 3rd team honors) better players than him, otherwise he'd be the best or would've won it all".
And no that's not different just because I moved the goal post farther.
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Post#585 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 5:22 pm

BurningHeart wrote:As others have clarified on my behalf, "heart and soul" does not necessarily mean the yelling, being brash, outspoken, etc.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Whats funny is that mention of Kobe above. Kobe quit on his team I'd say a few times, very most notably especially INCLUDING against us in 2006 Game 7, asked for trades and caused various other FA/roster drama many times and he still had more heart than Kevin Durant.

Doncic may have that Euro flopper bitchmade complainer ginobili spurs **** in him, but he's got the heart and the soul. Boy is a stone cold **** killer. People go to war for dudes like that. Ain't nobody going to war for Durant or Booker, even.

We need a team of ravenous ****. I don't mean thugs or bitchmades or complainers. I mean those dudes who are absolutely undeniable in their hunger, their basketball IQ, their work ethic. Those dudes that will not **** stop. The dudes who are focused on what's happening on the court rather than what's happening on the side, with their contract, with their fame, with their Twitter account, with their fashion, with their whatever else. Cuz those other fools always have problems getting along with anyone, always have their way or pout like a bitch and force their way out, are never happy where they are, always planning their next stop, hiding under the guise of their "chill," etc.

To steal a line from Apollo Creed, Durant plays ball great but Luka is a great baller.


Yeah, when someone said they would take Kobe over KG in a game 7 for sure, I immediately thought of him quitting against us which was weird. Then in game 6 against us in 2010 he had a horrible shot to win and it was Artest that made the big play. He was a guy that was great when he had a killer supporting cast. I'd take KG over him any time. Kobe had the great work ethic, but he is quite overrated (or was...he's been more properly rated since).
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Post#586 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 5:25 pm

sunskerr wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
sunskerr wrote:Well whatever the case if we get the first pick again in a decade or whenever it is we own our picks, just make sure the dude can at least dribble a basketball first :lol: :noway:


So we miss on freshman versions of Shaq, TD, Embiid for Rubio. It's a bit more complicated than that. My conclusion is scouts should put more value in character evaluation. Switch Luka and DA's drive and we get completely different results from both.


It's a joke obviously but a piece of truth is behind it

If you consider the skill set at the time Ayton didn't really (still doesn't lol) have many relevant modern basketball skills.


Do you remember Gambo's quotes from his "anonymous scout" which seemed to me was obviously him, bashing Luka for crying and stuff and teammates hating him and building up Ayton? Still makes me laugh....and cry.
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Post#587 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jun 4, 2024 11:51 pm

sunskerr wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
sunskerr wrote:Well whatever the case if we get the first pick again in a decade or whenever it is we own our picks, just make sure the dude can at least dribble a basketball first :lol: :noway:


So we miss on freshman versions of Shaq, TD, Embiid for Rubio. It's a bit more complicated than that. My conclusion is scouts should put more value in character evaluation. Switch Luka and DA's drive and we get completely different results from both.


It's a joke obviously but a piece of truth is behind it

If you consider the skill set at the time Ayton didn't really (still doesn't lol) have many relevant modern basketball skills.

His midrange shooting (and some 3PT shooting) was what made his game "modern" and the thought was that he would be able to expand on that so he'd be dominant inside while being able to hit 3's at a solid rate. The thing was that he was only really dominant in the paint when he didn't have to create much and his 3PT shooting never became a thing. What you're left with is a low motor guy who doesn't play like the best modern NBA C's who can shoot, pass, score in the paint and create like Jokic, Bam, Embiid, Sabonis or Lauri.

That lack of a handle really held him back from improving imo
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#588 » by garrick » Wed Jun 5, 2024 3:06 am

Son of Ra wrote:
garrick wrote:
ChuckS wrote:I tried to stay out of this because I am hopelessly biased regarding KD, and my first psych prof said: "If someone tells you that wall is black and you know it is white -- do not argue". I think he would forgive it on a discussion board, though, which sadly would not exist if everyone felt that way. This discussion of IT has been really interesting. It made me nostalgic for those better days when a president explained what sexual relations really were. I think I understand every meaning of IT, and thought the most important point was the mention of subjectivity. I personally believe that no one most frequently considered a top ten to fifteen best ever, with the eighth most points scored, and 4th best playoff scoring average, among his other achievements already mentioned, who came back from ACL surgery after the age of 30 even better, could not have IT or particularly heart. I was especially convinced after he sustained that severe injury trying to save his team from losing in the finals when he was already seriously hurt. I could not understand the criticism of an all time great even more when I knew that even just some average fans were full of IT.





I read these as what is known as "damning with faint praise". I knew that Kevin and Kobe were great friends with mutual respect for their abilities. I remembered that LeBron picked KD first when he was an All Star team captain. But I knew I would not change some minds because I already posted quotes from Kerr, Popovich, Draymond, and Klay. I won't bore you with them again, but they are on page 27 of the off season thread. Instead, for those still undecided or open minded, following are thoughts of Luka, Kobe, Michael, and others most consider have IT:





https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/michael_jordan_on_young_kevin_durant_he_is_coming_you_talk_about_kobe_or_lebron_and_who_is_the_best_kevin_durant_is_gonna_sneak_in_the_back_door/s1_16751_37525266


I'll say it again KD just had the misfortune to be playing through the Kobe, Steph & Klay and LBJ prime years which stopped him from winning in OKC.

Today there is more parity in the league and with no dynasty team dominating the league it really gives a lot of teams a good chance of making the finals, unfortunately for KD the window for him is closing due to age but it shouldn't detract from the HOF career that he's had.

You're basically saying KD was unlucky there were better players than him otherwise he would've been the best. That's just moving the goal post to where your narrative needs it.

It's essentially the same thing as saying "Booker is unlucky there are 10-14 (going by 3rd team honors) better players than him, otherwise he'd be the best or would've won it all".
And no that's not different just because I moved the goal post farther.


No that isn't the same thing.

Booker is obviously not a HOF level player and not in the conversation at all no matter what era he is playing. I am more making the case about HOF players that didn't win rings because of the dynasty teams that blocked them from winning it all.

Barkley definitely deserves a mention as one such player because the one time he made the finals he ran against the 3 peat Bulls and he was also blocked by Hakeem a few times who was one of the all time great centers in the league in his prime.

KD cheated and joined GSW so he won 2 rings but had he not jumped ship I doubt he could have won a ring back then, if he was in his prime right now surrounded by a good supporting cast probably but those days are long past now. He's still a good player but he's never going to be as good as he was in the OKC or GSW days.
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#589 » by Son of Ra » Wed Jun 5, 2024 6:20 am

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I'll say it again KD just had the misfortune to be playing through the Kobe, Steph & Klay and LBJ prime years which stopped him from winning in OKC.

Today there is more parity in the league and with no dynasty team dominating the league it really gives a lot of teams a good chance of making the finals, unfortunately for KD the window for him is closing due to age but it shouldn't detract from the HOF career that he's had.

You're basically saying KD was unlucky there were better players than him otherwise he would've been the best. That's just moving the goal post to where your narrative needs it.

It's essentially the same thing as saying "Booker is unlucky there are 10-14 (going by 3rd team honors) better players than him, otherwise he'd be the best or would've won it all".
And no that's not different just because I moved the goal post farther.


No that isn't the same thing.

Booker is obviously not a HOF level player and not in the conversation at all no matter what era he is playing. I am more making the case about HOF players that didn't win rings because of the dynasty teams that blocked them from winning it all.

Barkley definitely deserves a mention as one such player because the one time he made the finals he ran against the 3 peat Bulls and he was also blocked by Hakeem a few times who was one of the all time great centers in the league in his prime.

KD cheated and joined GSW so he won 2 rings but had he not jumped ship I doubt he could have won a ring back then, if he was in his prime right now surrounded by a good supporting cast probably but those days are long past now. He's still a good player but he's never going to be as good as he was in the OKC or GSW days.

The Booker example was obviously hyperbolic to make my point which is that the what ifs are kinda pointless. That's pro sports. I've followed so many different sports and have seen so many athletes' windows open and close behind the best of their era and that's just how it goes. You weren't unlucky, you simply weren't the best.
That's obviously as far as isolated, personal careers go. To win it all you obviously need a good team, maybe bad opponents whatever. That's why I think the titles=goat status marker is stupid in team sports. A tramy sports player could be the goat with no titles for all I care.

I guess bottom line we're probably not that far apart in this discussion, but I'm also happy to just disagree.
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Post#590 » by sunsbg » Fri Jun 7, 2024 6:07 am

Boston with the lecture how to defend Mavs. Luka with a single assist for the game. Great team ball by the Celtics. They look like a well oiled machine.
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Post#591 » by Saberestar » Fri Jun 7, 2024 8:57 am

sunsbg wrote:Boston with the lecture how to defend Mavs. Luka with a single assist for the game. Great team ball by the Celtics. They look like a well oiled machine.

A fully healthy Celtics are much better than the Mavs. They basically have 5 All-Stars + Horford, Pritchard and Hauser.

With Porzingis out the Mavs could have possibilities to compete in this Finals. With him healthy is a 4-0 or 4-1.
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Post#592 » by sunsbg » Fri Jun 7, 2024 9:08 am

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sunsbg wrote:Boston with the lecture how to defend Mavs. Luka with a single assist for the game. Great team ball by the Celtics. They look like a well oiled machine.

A fully healthy Celtics are much better than the Mavs. They basically have 5 All-Stars + Horford, Pritchard and Hauser.

With Porzingis out the Mavs could have possibilities to compete in this Finals. With him healthy is a 4-0 or 4-1.


Calling White and Holiday All Stars is a bit of a stretch, but yeah they have a nice mix of stars and role players.
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Post#593 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Jun 7, 2024 1:13 pm

Nothing at this point would make me happier than a 4-0 Celtics win with every game being a blowout.
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Post#594 » by Fo-Real » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:00 pm

sunsbg wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
sunsbg wrote:Boston with the lecture how to defend Mavs. Luka with a single assist for the game. Great team ball by the Celtics. They look like a well oiled machine.

A fully healthy Celtics are much better than the Mavs. They basically have 5 All-Stars + Horford, Pritchard and Hauser.

With Porzingis out the Mavs could have possibilities to compete in this Finals. With him healthy is a 4-0 or 4-1.


Calling White and Holiday All Stars is a bit of a stretch, but yeah they have a nice mix of stars and role players.


They both have stretches' where they give you star-like performance.
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Post#595 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 6:09 am

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sunsbg wrote:Boston with the lecture how to defend Mavs. Luka with a single assist for the game. Great team ball by the Celtics. They look like a well oiled machine.

A fully healthy Celtics are much better than the Mavs. They basically have 5 All-Stars + Horford, Pritchard and Hauser.

With Porzingis out the Mavs could have possibilities to compete in this Finals. With him healthy is a 4-0 or 4-1.


Calling White and Holiday All Stars is a bit of a stretch, but yeah they have a nice mix of stars and role players.

I think they are like fringe all-star guys in a similar vein as the 2015 Hawks where they had dudes like Korver and Teague in there. In some weaker years, they may have made it but in most, they probably wouldn't. Both White and Jrue are 2nd team All-Defense already so they are absolutely bringing it on that end of the court, both are shooting 40% from 3, do a lot of work on and off ball and if they had a bigger role on the offensive end, their numbers would certainly look more "all-star" calibre.

This Celtics team is easily the most well-rounded team from like 1 to 8 I've seen in some time. Their road to the Finals was also a cakewalk which they absolutely dominated as expected.
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Post#596 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 9, 2024 6:57 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
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Saberestar wrote:A fully healthy Celtics are much better than the Mavs. They basically have 5 All-Stars + Horford, Pritchard and Hauser.

With Porzingis out the Mavs could have possibilities to compete in this Finals. With him healthy is a 4-0 or 4-1.


Calling White and Holiday All Stars is a bit of a stretch, but yeah they have a nice mix of stars and role players.

I think they are like fringe all-star guys in a similar vein as the 2015 Hawks where they had dudes like Korver and Teague in there. In some weaker years, they may have made it but in most, they probably wouldn't. Both White and Jrue are 2nd team All-Defense already so they are absolutely bringing it on that end of the court, both are shooting 40% from 3, do a lot of work on and off ball and if they had a bigger role on the offensive end, their numbers would certainly look more "all-star" calibre.

This Celtics team is easily the most well-rounded team from like 1 to 8 I've seen in some time. Their road to the Finals was also a cakewalk which they absolutely dominated as expected.


They really lucked out in games 1 and 3 vs the Pacers and with Haliburton missing the last couple games. They still would have won, but I expected them to dominate more.
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Post#597 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:19 am

I think how this finals is playing out, it really shows how important roster balance and strong defense is in contributing to winning championships! That's why the saying goes offense wins games, but defense wins championships! Our team has great offensive potential, but is also unbalanced and without true defensive depth or two-way balance. Our players are not strong enough defensively to hold their own against the opposition and sustain leads by shutting down or even slowing down the opposing team's scorers. Really aside from a 35 yr old Durant, our defenders are pretty mediocre at best, and we rely too much on our 35 yr old Durant to be that defensive anchor for us!

This just puts too much pressure on KD at his age for us to ask him to anchor a defense AND also be an elite clutch player late in the 4th after being worn down and having to do too much. Our team is also too old, too unathletic, and too small against most younger, bigger, faster, more physically dominant teams, yet Jones still keeps beating this same strategy of targeting low-end athletic finesse players expecting a different outcome after we've continually been embarrassed in the postseason by the very attributes he's stubbornly ignoring perennially. It shouldn't be so difficult to understand what changes need to happen to his strategy and fitness mentality. Especially when we've suffered from repeated examples of the things we've lacked that he's repeatedly chosen to not add/address. This draft doesn't have star potential, but it very clearly has all three of the attributes we need in low-cost role players that we could easily add to bolster our depth and our future simultaneously if he only exercises a minimal amount of creativity and assertiveness. Hopefully, he's had an epiphany stemming from our large-scale samples of shortcomings that'll motivate him to look at things differently for a change.

Regardless, our top priorities that are available to us should clearly be to...............................
1- Defensive balance
Secure a strong, athletic, highly switchable rim-protecting center that can play off the ball in a utility-type complementary defensive role.

2- Secure a strong, athletically explosive very switchable jumbo defensive wing that can take that pressure off of our big three and lockdown elite opposing wings and forwards. This is also critical because in adding this, it'd dramatically reduce pressure as well as war and tear throughout the games for our big three, freeing them up to conserve more energy on the defensive end and be more potent and impactful offensively in later stages of the game. I believe that in taking this additional pressure off of our big three, they'll experience less early exhaustion/ wear and tear, and also having an easier time outscoring the opposition and maintaining leads through having a legitimate lockdown defender or even two that can limit opposing teams scoring more.

3- A playmaking floor general-type guard that can keep our bench engaged and grow with our core into the future post-KD. I have this as the 3rd most critical need and not at the top simply because there are easily identifiable available options even outside the first round, and even into the post-draft undrafted two-way ranges that can fill this criteria sufficiently. Now for these three critical needs that MUST BE ADDRESSED!! I have these clear options easily available in our ranges, And all three are very possible with a little genuine effort and willing creativity.

1- ATHLETIC DEFENSIVE CENTER- Yves Missi or Kel' el Ware.
2- ATHLETIC YOUNG WING WITH SIZE AND HIGH MOTOR (preferably with a strong defensive skillset) Ryan Dunn.
3- HIGH IQ, GIFTED PLAYMAKING FLOOR GENERAL WITH POISE AND IN-GAME PROCESSING ABILITY. Tyler Kolek.

Again there are mechanisms for us to secure these three players, or at the very least in a worst-case scenario, two of the three and a solid alternative for the 3rd option left apart from the other two. This possibility is very legitimate only due to so many teams viewing this as a poor/ shallow draft and teams looking to trade down or even out for future assets alternatively. The importance of utilizing this is paramount in setting a strong foundation heading into free agency which is far less guaranteed that we'll successfully be able to address all three of our needs as easily as in the draft wherein we don't have to convince players to sign. But only need to acquire the pick for that range the player is in. :D
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#598 » by garrick » Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:03 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I think how this finals is playing out, it really shows how important roster balance and strong defense is in contributing to winning championships! That's why the saying goes offense wins games, but defense wins championships! Our team has great offensive potential, but is also unbalanced and without true defensive depth or two-way balance. Our players are not strong enough defensively to hold their own against the opposition and sustain leads by shutting down or even slowing down the opposing team's scorers. Really aside from a 35 yr old Durant, our defenders are pretty mediocre at best, and we rely too much on our 35 yr old Durant to be that defensive anchor for us!

This just puts too much pressure on KD at his age for us to ask him to anchor a defense AND also be an elite clutch player late in the 4th after being worn down and having to do too much. Our team is also too old, too unathletic, and too small against most younger, bigger, faster, more physically dominant teams, yet Jones still keeps beating this same strategy of targeting low-end athletic finesse players expecting a different outcome after we've continually been embarrassed in the postseason by the very attributes he's stubbornly ignoring perennially. It shouldn't be so difficult to understand what changes need to happen to his strategy and fitness mentality. Especially when we've suffered from repeated examples of the things we've lacked that he's repeatedly chosen to not add/address. This draft doesn't have star potential, but it very clearly has all three of the attributes we need in low-cost role players that we could easily add to bolster our depth and our future simultaneously if he only exercises a minimal amount of creativity and assertiveness. Hopefully, he's had an epiphany stemming from our large-scale samples of shortcomings that'll motivate him to look at things differently for a change.

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1- Defensive balance
Secure a strong, athletic, highly switchable rim-protecting center that can play off the ball in a utility-type complementary defensive role.

2- Secure a strong, athletically explosive very switchable jumbo defensive wing that can take that pressure off of our big three and lockdown elite opposing wings and forwards. This is also critical because in adding this, it'd dramatically reduce pressure as well as war and tear throughout the games for our big three, freeing them up to conserve more energy on the defensive end and be more potent and impactful offensively in later stages of the game. I believe that in taking this additional pressure off of our big three, they'll experience less early exhaustion/ wear and tear, and also having an easier time outscoring the opposition and maintaining leads through having a legitimate lockdown defender or even two that can limit opposing teams scoring more.

3- A playmaking floor general-type guard that can keep our bench engaged and grow with our core into the future post-KD. I have this as the 3rd most critical need and not at the top simply because there are easily identifiable available options even outside the first round, and even into the post-draft undrafted two-way ranges that can fill this criteria sufficiently. Now for these three critical needs that MUST BE ADDRESSED!! I have these clear options easily available in our ranges, And all three are very possible with a little genuine effort and willing creativity.

1- ATHLETIC DEFENSIVE CENTER- Yves Missi or Kel' el Ware.
2- ATHLETIC YOUNG WING WITH SIZE AND HIGH MOTOR (preferably with a strong defensive skillset) Ryan Dunn.
3- HIGH IQ, GIFTED PLAYMAKING FLOOR GENERAL WITH POISE AND IN-GAME PROCESSING ABILITY. Tyler Kolek.

Again there are mechanisms for us to secure these three players, or at the very least in a worst-case scenario, two of the three and a solid alternative for the 3rd option left apart from the other two. This possibility is very legitimate only due to so many teams viewing this as a poor/ shallow draft and teams looking to trade down or even out for future assets alternatively. The importance of utilizing this is paramount in setting a strong foundation heading into free agency which is far less guaranteed that we'll successfully be able to address all three of our needs as easily as in the draft wherein we don't have to convince players to sign. But only need to acquire the pick for that range the player is in. :D


That 2nd we lost for tampering for Eubanks really hurts right now. :banghead:

What an incredible self own we did and for an absolute garbage level player at that lol Do we own any of our 2nd round picks in the next 4-5 years?
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#599 » by King4Day » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:22 pm

garrick wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I think how this finals is playing out, it really shows how important roster balance and strong defense is in contributing to winning championships! That's why the saying goes offense wins games, but defense wins championships! Our team has great offensive potential, but is also unbalanced and without true defensive depth or two-way balance. Our players are not strong enough defensively to hold their own against the opposition and sustain leads by shutting down or even slowing down the opposing team's scorers. Really aside from a 35 yr old Durant, our defenders are pretty mediocre at best, and we rely too much on our 35 yr old Durant to be that defensive anchor for us!

This just puts too much pressure on KD at his age for us to ask him to anchor a defense AND also be an elite clutch player late in the 4th after being worn down and having to do too much. Our team is also too old, too unathletic, and too small against most younger, bigger, faster, more physically dominant teams, yet Jones still keeps beating this same strategy of targeting low-end athletic finesse players expecting a different outcome after we've continually been embarrassed in the postseason by the very attributes he's stubbornly ignoring perennially. It shouldn't be so difficult to understand what changes need to happen to his strategy and fitness mentality. Especially when we've suffered from repeated examples of the things we've lacked that he's repeatedly chosen to not add/address. This draft doesn't have star potential, but it very clearly has all three of the attributes we need in low-cost role players that we could easily add to bolster our depth and our future simultaneously if he only exercises a minimal amount of creativity and assertiveness. Hopefully, he's had an epiphany stemming from our large-scale samples of shortcomings that'll motivate him to look at things differently for a change.

Regardless, our top priorities that are available to us should clearly be to...............................
1- Defensive balance
Secure a strong, athletic, highly switchable rim-protecting center that can play off the ball in a utility-type complementary defensive role.

2- Secure a strong, athletically explosive very switchable jumbo defensive wing that can take that pressure off of our big three and lockdown elite opposing wings and forwards. This is also critical because in adding this, it'd dramatically reduce pressure as well as war and tear throughout the games for our big three, freeing them up to conserve more energy on the defensive end and be more potent and impactful offensively in later stages of the game. I believe that in taking this additional pressure off of our big three, they'll experience less early exhaustion/ wear and tear, and also having an easier time outscoring the opposition and maintaining leads through having a legitimate lockdown defender or even two that can limit opposing teams scoring more.

3- A playmaking floor general-type guard that can keep our bench engaged and grow with our core into the future post-KD. I have this as the 3rd most critical need and not at the top simply because there are easily identifiable available options even outside the first round, and even into the post-draft undrafted two-way ranges that can fill this criteria sufficiently. Now for these three critical needs that MUST BE ADDRESSED!! I have these clear options easily available in our ranges, And all three are very possible with a little genuine effort and willing creativity.

1- ATHLETIC DEFENSIVE CENTER- Yves Missi or Kel' el Ware.
2- ATHLETIC YOUNG WING WITH SIZE AND HIGH MOTOR (preferably with a strong defensive skillset) Ryan Dunn.
3- HIGH IQ, GIFTED PLAYMAKING FLOOR GENERAL WITH POISE AND IN-GAME PROCESSING ABILITY. Tyler Kolek.

Again there are mechanisms for us to secure these three players, or at the very least in a worst-case scenario, two of the three and a solid alternative for the 3rd option left apart from the other two. This possibility is very legitimate only due to so many teams viewing this as a poor/ shallow draft and teams looking to trade down or even out for future assets alternatively. The importance of utilizing this is paramount in setting a strong foundation heading into free agency which is far less guaranteed that we'll successfully be able to address all three of our needs as easily as in the draft wherein we don't have to convince players to sign. But only need to acquire the pick for that range the player is in. :D


That 2nd we lost for tampering for Eubanks really hurts right now. :banghead:

What an incredible self own we did and for an absolute garbage level player at that lol Do we own any of our 2nd round picks in the next 4-5 years?


I believe we don't have any of our own 2nd's until either 2030 or 2031.
We have 1 left which is Boston's from what I recall. I expect that to be moved eventually.
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Re: Around the NBA - 23-24 Other playoff series 

Post#600 » by garrick » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:45 pm

King4Day wrote:
garrick wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I think how this finals is playing out, it really shows how important roster balance and strong defense is in contributing to winning championships! That's why the saying goes offense wins games, but defense wins championships! Our team has great offensive potential, but is also unbalanced and without true defensive depth or two-way balance. Our players are not strong enough defensively to hold their own against the opposition and sustain leads by shutting down or even slowing down the opposing team's scorers. Really aside from a 35 yr old Durant, our defenders are pretty mediocre at best, and we rely too much on our 35 yr old Durant to be that defensive anchor for us!

This just puts too much pressure on KD at his age for us to ask him to anchor a defense AND also be an elite clutch player late in the 4th after being worn down and having to do too much. Our team is also too old, too unathletic, and too small against most younger, bigger, faster, more physically dominant teams, yet Jones still keeps beating this same strategy of targeting low-end athletic finesse players expecting a different outcome after we've continually been embarrassed in the postseason by the very attributes he's stubbornly ignoring perennially. It shouldn't be so difficult to understand what changes need to happen to his strategy and fitness mentality. Especially when we've suffered from repeated examples of the things we've lacked that he's repeatedly chosen to not add/address. This draft doesn't have star potential, but it very clearly has all three of the attributes we need in low-cost role players that we could easily add to bolster our depth and our future simultaneously if he only exercises a minimal amount of creativity and assertiveness. Hopefully, he's had an epiphany stemming from our large-scale samples of shortcomings that'll motivate him to look at things differently for a change.

Regardless, our top priorities that are available to us should clearly be to...............................
1- Defensive balance
Secure a strong, athletic, highly switchable rim-protecting center that can play off the ball in a utility-type complementary defensive role.

2- Secure a strong, athletically explosive very switchable jumbo defensive wing that can take that pressure off of our big three and lockdown elite opposing wings and forwards. This is also critical because in adding this, it'd dramatically reduce pressure as well as war and tear throughout the games for our big three, freeing them up to conserve more energy on the defensive end and be more potent and impactful offensively in later stages of the game. I believe that in taking this additional pressure off of our big three, they'll experience less early exhaustion/ wear and tear, and also having an easier time outscoring the opposition and maintaining leads through having a legitimate lockdown defender or even two that can limit opposing teams scoring more.

3- A playmaking floor general-type guard that can keep our bench engaged and grow with our core into the future post-KD. I have this as the 3rd most critical need and not at the top simply because there are easily identifiable available options even outside the first round, and even into the post-draft undrafted two-way ranges that can fill this criteria sufficiently. Now for these three critical needs that MUST BE ADDRESSED!! I have these clear options easily available in our ranges, And all three are very possible with a little genuine effort and willing creativity.

1- ATHLETIC DEFENSIVE CENTER- Yves Missi or Kel' el Ware.
2- ATHLETIC YOUNG WING WITH SIZE AND HIGH MOTOR (preferably with a strong defensive skillset) Ryan Dunn.
3- HIGH IQ, GIFTED PLAYMAKING FLOOR GENERAL WITH POISE AND IN-GAME PROCESSING ABILITY. Tyler Kolek.

Again there are mechanisms for us to secure these three players, or at the very least in a worst-case scenario, two of the three and a solid alternative for the 3rd option left apart from the other two. This possibility is very legitimate only due to so many teams viewing this as a poor/ shallow draft and teams looking to trade down or even out for future assets alternatively. The importance of utilizing this is paramount in setting a strong foundation heading into free agency which is far less guaranteed that we'll successfully be able to address all three of our needs as easily as in the draft wherein we don't have to convince players to sign. But only need to acquire the pick for that range the player is in. :D


That 2nd we lost for tampering for Eubanks really hurts right now. :banghead:

What an incredible self own we did and for an absolute garbage level player at that lol Do we own any of our 2nd round picks in the next 4-5 years?


I believe we don't have any of our own 2nd's until either 2030 or 2031.
We have 1 left which is Boston's from what I recall. I expect that to be moved eventually.



You're right we have one in 2028 lol

Draft picks wise Matty Ishbia took a look at the Clippers and decided to just try to outdo Balmer and get rid of all our draft picks by gambling on injury prone aging stars so I hope Silver creates a new Stepien kind of rule limiting how many 2nd round picks a team can give away.

It's the kind of move that could seriously derail a franchise for a long time if the league intends to keep the 2nd apron rule.

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Suns/24/draft-picks

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Clippers/13/draft-picks

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