2024 NBA Draft Thread

[babyjax13]

Trevon Brazile withdrawing from draft and returning to Arkansas

He was totally out of his depth in the combine scrimmages, so I'm not surprised.

[Cammo101]

Trevon Brazile withdrawing from draft and returning to Arkansas

He was totally out of his depth in the combine scrimmages, so I'm not surprised.

Talented dude, but his feel for the game is non-existent right now.

[OriAr]

Edey does not have more upside than Clingan, come on now.

He absolutely does (Whether he is likely to reach the celling is another debate entirely).
Edey has a clear (Even if very narrow) way to become a top 5 center in the NBA... While Clingan might become a top 15 center if he hits his ceiling. (Although he is likelier to hit his ceiling than Edey).
I actually think Edey has the higher floor because his durability record means there are no injury worries whatsoever, which is a crazy thing to say at 7'4 and 300 pounds. Clingan already has a history of injuries which always makes one nervous in the NBA.

[clyde21]

Edey has a clear (Even if very narrow) way to become a top 5 center in the NBA... While Clingan might become a top 15 center if he .

it's actually the opposite, Clingan's rim to protection make's his path to success in the NBA clearer than Edey's, who doesn't have the same shot blocking prowess or defensive instincts that Clingan has.

[RyugaFan]

Clingan's projected top 5 because having a surefire starting caliber center is valuable. Edey literally has to become a star in order to be a starting caliber center. You have to give him a bunch of usage and he needs to dominate with that usage, and you need to scheme around his defense.

[MemphisX]

Clingan's projected top 5 because having a surefire starting caliber center is valuable. Edey literally has to become a star in order to be a starting caliber center. You have to give him a bunch of usage and he needs to dominate with that usage, and you need to scheme around his defense.

It is an interesting debate because I see it the opposite as most. I think both will be capable starters. I also think prior context is warping the evaluations. Edey played on a team that needed him to play 35 minutes a night, so in college, he was not allowed to go for risky blocks.

Folks don't seem worried about Clingan's injury history or inability to play 25+ minutes for most of the season. He is also a poor finisher around the rim and I think he will able to be easily defended by forwards in the NBA which will subject his team to lots of 5 out. Edey, on the other hand, can not be defended by smalls and will likely encourage most teams to have to keep a legit big on the court when he is playing.

However, you never know until they play in the league.

[vincecarter4pres]

Name the 5 guys you think are most likely to be All Star caliber players from this draft, in order.

[OriAr]

Edey has a clear (Even if very narrow) way to become a top 5 center in the NBA... While Clingan might become a top 15 center if he .

it's actually the opposite, Clingan's rim to protection make's his path to success in the NBA clearer than Edey's, who doesn't have the same shot blocking prowess or defensive instincts that Clingan has.

And Edey isn't a dominant rim protector? He had 7% block % last season and he had to basically do everything to make sure he doesn't get into foul trouble! Teams straight up didn't enter the paint against Purdue at times.
"Edey is not a good rim protector" might be the stupidest draft myth this season, and that's saying a lot.
There is also the fact that Edey is the best roll man in this draft and you have a center that can be a perfectly serviceable starter... Even if he doesn't get any touches in the low post. And there is the small (But non zero) chance he goes to a place that lets him cook and he ends up making everyone look stupid by putting up 25/12 every night like he did in college, I don't think there is any universe where Clingan ends up putting up anything resembling those numbers, there is one for Edey, even if it's not likely.

[clyde21]

Edey has a clear (Even if very narrow) way to become a top 5 center in the NBA... While Clingan might become a top 15 center if he .

it's actually the opposite, Clingan's rim to protection make's his path to success in the NBA clearer than Edey's, who doesn't have the same shot blocking prowess or defensive instincts that Clingan has.

And Edey isn't a dominant rim protector? He had 7% block % last season and he had to basically do everything to make sure he doesn't get into foul trouble! Teams straight up didn't enter the paint against Purdue at times.
"Edey is not a good rim protector" might be the stupidest draft myth this season, and that's saying a lot.
There is also the fact that Edey is the best roll man in this draft and you have a center that can be a perfectly serviceable starter... Even if he doesn't get any touches in the low post. And there is the small (But non zero) chance he goes to a place that lets him cook and he ends up making everyone look stupid by putting up 25/12 every night like he did in college, I don't think there is any universe where Clingan ends up putting up anything resembling those numbers, there is one for Edey, even if it's not likely.

no, he's not...Edey is actually not that good of a defender tbh, I mean he's good just because he's so big but he's not necessarily a great rim protector or a guy that has pure defensive instincts.

Edey in his college career averaged 4.1 blocks per 100 which is actually not that great for a dude his size and for his role...meanwhile Clingan averaged 7.2 blocks per 100 and he's two yrs younger than Edey.

right now Clingan is actively a better defensive big than Edey and you don't even have to go by blocks per 100 you can just watch them and you can see the Clingan is a natural defensive force and Edey is just not. that alone makes Clingan's path to minutes in the NBA clearer imo.

i said this before but I would've rated Edey much high had he actually been a great defensive prospect to go alone with his insta-bucket on the other side of the court but he has spacing/positional gaps on that end and in rim protection he gets by primarily on his size advantage vs. anything else really, and that size advantage is only going to get smaller in the NBA

[Catchall]

Name the 5 guys you think are most likely to be All Star caliber players from this draft, in order.

Topic
Williams
Risacher
Sheppard
Dillingham

Honorable Mention: Kel'el Ware, AJ Johnson, Kyshawn George

[typedrat]

Dillingham
Edey
Knecht
Sarr
Risacher

[King Ken]

Name the 5 guys you think are most likely to be All Star caliber players from this draft, in order.

I need to see where they land. This type of draft is about landing more than the actual prospects themselves.

[tester551]

no, he's not...Edey is actually not that good of a defender tbh, I mean he's good just because he's so big but he's not necessarily a great rim protector or a guy that has pure defensive instincts.

Edey in his college career averaged 4.1 blocks per 100 which is actually not that great for a dude his size and for his role...meanwhile Clingan averaged 7.2 blocks per 100 and he's two yrs younger than Edey.

right now Clingan is actively a better defensive big than Edey and you don't even have to go by blocks per 100 you can just watch them and you can see the Clingan is a natural defensive force and Edey is just not. that alone makes Clingan's path to minutes in the NBA clearer imo.

i said this before but I would've rated Edey much high had he actually been a great defensive prospect to go alone with his insta-bucket on the other side of the court but he has spacing/positional gaps on that end and in rim protection he gets by primarily on his size advantage vs. anything else really, and that size advantage is only going to get smaller in the NBA

Clingan is a natural defensive force you say...

What am I missing when I watch his defense?

From the Butler game:
+ His poor P&R Defense? : https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxGiYr0fLYTTNjA4cJEvF0c-5Z2naQWqJG?feature=shared
+ His terrible Closeout? : https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxt_tllGf_Aq6TKGt3yqAxukphWCIRCIpV?feature=shared
+ Him chasing a block instead of boxing out?: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSjra9LabbUkHKG2LM59Por3pwHilm5NN?feature=shared
+ His poor P&R Defense (again): https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxFiNltc2g006nKFGqB4tGQvNWyRjff2Ui?feature=shared

From the Indiana game:
+ Weak closeout: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx43LKnDN7GJEiGCoyZ5VQ9W8kfhwp5UaV?feature=shared
+ Weak P&R: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxRbayxxuQ7phv1VAxessxvErWhLCIQMJ6?feature=shared
+ Another weak closeout: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxUERyvMV3mxvAtHZcmIIUeDcXC1A_XX-6?feature=shared


I went back and watched a couple of Walker Kessler & Mark Williams college games for comparison. Both Kessler and Williams were significantly better defenders with much more athleticism using the 'eye test'.... and it's not particularly close IMO.

[The-Power]

no, he's not...Edey is actually not that good of a defender tbh, I mean he's good just because he's so big but he's not necessarily a great rim protector or a guy that has pure defensive instincts.

Edey in his college career averaged 4.1 blocks per 100 which is actually not that great for a dude his size and for his role...meanwhile Clingan averaged 7.2 blocks per 100 and he's two yrs younger than Edey.

Eh, I wouldn't overrate block numbers. Sometimes they tell you more about the kind of rim protection a player provides rather than the overall impact of that rim protection.

The last season, Purdue ranked #4 in DRTG, #2 in Defensive 2P% and #1 in Defensive FTA in the Big Ten (14 teams).
The season prior, they ranked #4 in DRTG, #5 in Defensive 2P% and #1 in Defensive FTA in the Big Ten (14 teams).

And that's with a roster that doesn't really look like they should manage to have a very good defense. If Edey can effectively contest around the rim without fouling or deter opponents from taking too many shots around the rim – for which there appears to be some evidence without having the detailed tracking numbers – then that reflects very positively on Edey's rim protection even if his block numbers aren't eye-popping (though they certainly aren't concerning either).

Often times, the best rim protectors actually see their block numbers go down over time even as their rim protection impact continues to increase, precisely because they deter opponents from challenging them around the rim in addition to having learned to better contest without fouling. Embiid is a good current example in that his overall block numbers aren't anything to write home about but he very clearly deters and impacts opponents rim finishing (and no, I'm not saying that Edey is as good a defender as Embiid). Zubac is another name to mention here.

Does anyone have access to advanced rim protection or on/off numbers (individual and team level) for Edey/Purdue? I'd really be curious looking at his rim protection indicators more closely.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Edey's reaction time is so bad that it makes him a much worse rim deterrent than his standing reach says he should be and makes it very hard for him to contest shots on the perimeter.

[The Moose]

no, he's not...Edey is actually not that good of a defender tbh, I mean he's good just because he's so big but he's not necessarily a great rim protector or a guy that has pure defensive instincts.

Edey in his college career averaged 4.1 blocks per 100 which is actually not that great for a dude his size and for his role...meanwhile Clingan averaged 7.2 blocks per 100 and he's two yrs younger than Edey.

Eh, I wouldn't overrate block numbers. Sometimes they tell you more about the kind of rim protection a player provides rather than the overall impact of that rim protection.

The last season, Purdue ranked #4 in DRTG, #2 in Defensive 2P% and #1 in Defensive FTA in the Big Ten (14 teams).
The season prior, they ranked #4 in DRTG, #5 in Defensive 2P% and #1 in Defensive FTA in the Big Ten (14 teams).

And that's with a roster that doesn't really look like they should manage to have a very good defense. If Edey can effectively contest around the rim without fouling or deter opponents from taking too many shots around the rim – for which there appears to be some evidence without having the detailed tracking numbers – then that reflects very positively on Edey's rim protection even if his block numbers aren't eye-popping (though they certainly aren't concerning either).

Often times, the best rim protectors actually see their block numbers go down over time even as their rim protection impact continues to increase, precisely because they deter opponents from challenging them around the rim in addition to having learned to better contest without fouling. Embiid is a good current example in that his overall block numbers aren't anything to write home about but he very clearly deters and impacts opponents rim finishing (and no, I'm not saying that Edey is as good a defender as Embiid). Zubac is another name to mention here.

Does anyone have access to advanced rim protection or on/off numbers (individual and team level) for Edey/Purdue? I'd really be curious looking at his rim protection indicators more closely.

first two rows are offense and defense Edey on, third and fourth rows are offense and defense with Edey off


Senior Season:
- Teams shot 6.5% worse at the rim when Edey was on
- Opponent 2pt Rim attempt rate dropped over 20% overall when Edey was on
- Opponent 2pt mid range attempt rate increased by 52% overall when Edey was on





Junior Season:
- Teams shot 10.3% worse at the rim when Edey was on
- Opponent 2pt rim attempt rate dropped by over 20% overall when Edey was on
- Opponent 2pt mid range attempt rate increased by 22% overall when Edey was on

[FrodoBaggins]

Edey's defense is fine. I doubt it'll be worse than Steven Adams and Jonas Val. But unlike those guys, his size gives him a chance to be much better than them. It's hard to gauge his defense because his offensive role was so immense; he had to conserve energy and avoid foul trouble. And Purdue didn't have many great defenders, especially on the perimeter.

Put him in the right circumstance and he could legitimately border on elite defensively IMO. That's a big call but I stand by it. Brook Lopez went from one of the worst defenders at his position to one of the best. He doesn't move/react faster than Edey. He's in/was in an ideal circumstance.

[vincecarter4pres]

Name the 5 guys you think are most likely to be All Star caliber players from this draft, in order.

I need to see where they land. This type of draft is about landing more than the actual prospects themselves.

Definitely agree, and I’m going to update my list between now and the start of the season, and hope everyone else who replies does the same, but for now I think I’m going:

1. Sheppard
2. Castle
3. Carter
4. Sarr
5. McCain

[RexBoyWonder]

why isn't Rob Dillingham the new Maxy?

Surly it's not the 2 inch diffrence...so why isn't he top 3 or 5?

[MemphisX]

why isn't Rob Dillingham the new Maxy?

Surly it's not the 2 inch diffrence...so why isn't he top 3 or 5?

164lbs