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Psubs wrote:TorontoBarneys wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Bro already almost lost the handle in a highlight video.
He looks like Ben Gordon.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
alpngso wrote:Important tidbit from Vecenie’s mock.There is also significant expectation league-wide that Toronto could command a serious overnight offer for its No. 31 pick from a team looking to jump to the front of Thursday’s line and select its top remaining player. Essentially, no team in that range could offer players and their representation anything resembling a guarantee that they’d be standing pat.
As many have suspected, the interest is there for #31 pick for trades around the league
OakleyDokely wrote:KJ Simpson, Junior, 21.8 years old, 6'0.25 without shoes, 6'4.50 wingspan
35.1 MIN, 19.7 PPG, 5.8 REB, 4.9 AST, 1.6 STL, .475 FG, .434 3PT (4.9 ATT), .876 3PT (5.0 ATT), .606 TS, 26.7 USG, 10.1 BPM
Dalek wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Filipowski seems like that plus offense negative defense type player. The Olynyk comparisons appears accurate.
I think he will be better than KO. He had a decent block rate and he can switch onto guards at times. I agree that he won't be a plus on defense but I do think he is passable not a target.
He looked a bit better playing with Lively so let's see how he is with Poeltl. Playing big lineups with Scottie seems like it would be a smart experiment. If we test him out to close games it could get messy but worth it. I think the scoring and spacing he offers could change this team's dynamic.
To me, he could win ROY in this situation. It is the right fit for him to get minutes and do well in his roles in small and big lineups.
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Psubs wrote:TorontoBarneys wrote:
Bro already almost lost the handle in a highlight video.
He looks like Ben Gordon.
No he doesn’t. Ben Gordon would be the undoubted #1 pick in this draft. McCain is a good shooter in the mold of a Malik Beasley type. There are levels to this.
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Psubs wrote:TorontoBarneys wrote:
Bro already almost lost the handle in a highlight video.
He looks like Ben Gordon.
No he doesn’t. Ben Gordon would be the undoubted #1 pick in this draft. McCain is a good shooter in the mold of a Malik Beasley type. There are levels to this.
Bruin wrote:Wonder how far he drops
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alpngso wrote:Bruin wrote:Wonder how far he drops
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Agent doesn’t think he drops based on the medical
Bruin wrote:alpngso wrote:Bruin wrote:Wonder how far he drops
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Agent doesn’t think he drops based on the medical
What his agent says doesn’t really mean much to me. An agent would never say he expects his player to drop
Even aside from this ACL injury, Topic has dealt with several injury issues this season. This is the second injury to the same knee. He seems injury prone
grant101 wrote:Mark_83 wrote:Do we trust Darko to be the guy who can keep Ware motivated after he gets paid?
I ask this as someone who likes the player (in theory).
There's only so much a coach can do. The player's gotta want it. The benefit of drafting him into our situation is that he'll be forced to earn his minutes, which should make accountability a little easier.
In general, Ware is so difficult to get a read on. He's undeniably talented and has the tools to be a top 5-3 pick in this draft, he's just so unbelievably frustrating to watch. Even in games where he puts up good numbers, I felt like he disappeared for long stretches. The not running pack on defence at times is also maddening for an otherwise mobile center. That said, the more I sit with it, the more I talk myself into it, cause if the lights come on, he's Jarrett Allen with a shot (though with less touch on the hook). I see a similar process happening with Missi (i.e. me selling myself on his high-end outcome), but that's another story
Mark_83 wrote:grant101 wrote:Mark_83 wrote:Do we trust Darko to be the guy who can keep Ware motivated after he gets paid?
I ask this as someone who likes the player (in theory).
There's only so much a coach can do. The player's gotta want it. The benefit of drafting him into our situation is that he'll be forced to earn his minutes, which should make accountability a little easier.
In general, Ware is so difficult to get a read on. He's undeniably talented and has the tools to be a top 5-3 pick in this draft, he's just so unbelievably frustrating to watch. Even in games where he puts up good numbers, I felt like he disappeared for long stretches. The not running pack on defence at times is also maddening for an otherwise mobile center. That said, the more I sit with it, the more I talk myself into it, cause if the lights come on, he's Jarrett Allen with a shot (though with less touch on the hook). I see a similar process happening with Missi (i.e. me selling myself on his high-end outcome), but that's another story
Yeah, I'm trying to sell myself on him at 19. He's the best talent available likely to be there imo. If he didn't have these questions he'd be going in the same range as Lively did and we wouldn't be able to pick him.
billy_hoyle wrote:BoyzNTheHood wrote:Psubs wrote:
He looks like Ben Gordon.
No he doesn’t. Ben Gordon would be the undoubted #1 pick in this draft. McCain is a good shooter in the mold of a Malik Beasley type. There are levels to this.
I disagree. McCain put up better freshman stats than Ben Gordon did. Ben was a stumpy 6th man, drafted after a college championship junior year where he only put up 18 5 and 5 on great shooting splits. That's less than KJ Simpson in overall numbers and impact.
Ben got drafted third, but would go around 10th in a re-draft.
No chance that player type goes number 1.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
Raptorfan2012 wrote:Mark_83 wrote:grant101 wrote:
There's only so much a coach can do. The player's gotta want it. The benefit of drafting him into our situation is that he'll be forced to earn his minutes, which should make accountability a little easier.
In general, Ware is so difficult to get a read on. He's undeniably talented and has the tools to be a top 5-3 pick in this draft, he's just so unbelievably frustrating to watch. Even in games where he puts up good numbers, I felt like he disappeared for long stretches. The not running pack on defence at times is also maddening for an otherwise mobile center. That said, the more I sit with it, the more I talk myself into it, cause if the lights come on, he's Jarrett Allen with a shot (though with less touch on the hook). I see a similar process happening with Missi (i.e. me selling myself on his high-end outcome), but that's another story
Yeah, I'm trying to sell myself on him at 19. He's the best talent available likely to be there imo. If he didn't have these questions he'd be going in the same range as Lively did and we wouldn't be able to pick him.
How many 'lazy prospects' have actually (and truly) turned it around in their second half of their career? I don't think there have been too many (especially bigs). Funny enough, the player I am thinking of that did turn their career around (in terms of their work ethic) is Vince Carter himself after he got traded to the Nets.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Dalek wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Filipowski seems like that plus offense negative defense type player. The Olynyk comparisons appears accurate.
I think he will be better than KO. He had a decent block rate and he can switch onto guards at times. I agree that he won't be a plus on defense but I do think he is passable not a target.
He looked a bit better playing with Lively so let's see how he is with Poeltl. Playing big lineups with Scottie seems like it would be a smart experiment. If we test him out to close games it could get messy but worth it. I think the scoring and spacing he offers could change this team's dynamic.
To me, he could win ROY in this situation. It is the right fit for him to get minutes and do well in his roles in small and big lineups.
One of the reasons Colangelo personified draft schmaft was he knew the certainty of players with a known nba resume was a safer bet than late lotto to number 30 draft prospects. He knew Kawhi was a huge talent, we worked him out, and he picked JV. He had no clue Giannis was possible MVP caliber talent and he traded the pick that took Stephen Adams before Giannis! All was done to land the Raptor GOAT. B.C.'s lack of forsight brought us the 2019 chip. Leadership and in game brinksmanship does not grow on trees. It had to be seen at the nba level in some measure and is usually conveyed by scouting and contacts. We can only speculate wheher we'd still have a chip had Masai drafted Giannis as would be considered a normal course of action but there are no sure things and I sure as hell would not lay a bet on what Filipowski is gonna be. Why would anyone do that? Ware at the very least is the superior athlete.
BoyzNTheHood wrote:billy_hoyle wrote:BoyzNTheHood wrote:No he doesn’t. Ben Gordon would be the undoubted #1 pick in this draft. McCain is a good shooter in the mold of a Malik Beasley type. There are levels to this.
I disagree. McCain put up better freshman stats than Ben Gordon did. Ben was a stumpy 6th man, drafted after a college championship junior year where he only put up 18 5 and 5 on great shooting splits. That's less than KJ Simpson in overall numbers and impact.
Ben got drafted third, but would go around 10th in a re-draft.
No chance that player type goes number 1.
Ben was a dynamic bucket getter at the college and NBA level. McCain might become that over time, but I don’t see it. He looks like more of a spot up shooter than a guy who can go get it for you.
ItsDanger wrote:Ware is the type that when gets to a certain level, he takes the foot off the gas pedal. Maybe he matures but if he doesn't get that 2nd efforts matter at next level, coaches will bench him. These are the hardest types to project.
