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Re: Free Agency 

Post#501 » by JennetteMcCurdy » Wed Jun 5, 2024 3:31 pm

zeebneeb wrote:^^^to the above, I fully expect the Pistons to sign Monk. He would be a great, and much needed scorer on the team. As for drafting Clingan, eh, I wouldn't count on it. Looking at draft history of the Pels, and Trajons history, I would start looking at shooting, defending, wing types. Would not surprise me if he tries to move up to nab Risacher.

I want in order;

Sheppard
Knecht
Cligan

I'd be happy with any of them, but Trajon may have his eye on someone not even on our radar.


Mostly agreed -

If Pistons sign Monk, they should trade two of Grimes/Ivey/Sassar - not sure who, but that’s 30 mpg out the door.

My top three:

Risachar
Sheppard
Knecht

If all three are gone by #5, particularly Knecht, I’d be shocked.

I also wonder about Clinghan and Edey playing pick and roll defense - are they going to be any better than Boban or Garza? I’d pass on them - plus neither can shoot a lick from outside - we need less of those players….
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Re: Free Agency 

Post#502 » by zeebneeb » Wed Jun 5, 2024 3:42 pm

JennetteMcCurdy wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:^^^to the above, I fully expect the Pistons to sign Monk. He would be a great, and much needed scorer on the team. As for drafting Clingan, eh, I wouldn't count on it. Looking at draft history of the Pels, and Trajons history, I would start looking at shooting, defending, wing types. Would not surprise me if he tries to move up to nab Risacher.

I want in order;

Sheppard
Knecht
Cligan

I'd be happy with any of them, but Trajon may have his eye on someone not even on our radar.


Mostly agreed -

If Pistons sign Monk, they should trade two of Grimes/Ivey/Sassar - not sure who, but that’s 30 mpg out the door.

My top three:

Risachar
Sheppard
Knecht

If all three are gone by #5, particularly Knecht, I’d be shocked.

I also wonder about Clinghan and Edey playing pick and roll defense - are they going to be any better than Boban or Garza? I’d pass on them - plus neither can shoot a lick from outside - we need less of those players….
I agree, but here's the thing;

You can absolutely have just a rim rocking shotblocker at the 5, if everyone else can shoot the damn ball. This is why Ausar is so damn problematic in the starting lineup.

Cade
Monk
Ausar
Tek
Clingan

If Ausar could shoot 30-32% im all in. Problem is, he has 100miles to go to get to that point.

This is the problem.
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Re: Free Agency 

Post#503 » by JennetteMcCurdy » Wed Jun 5, 2024 4:14 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:^^^to the above, I fully expect the Pistons to sign Monk. He would be a great, and much needed scorer on the team. As for drafting Clingan, eh, I wouldn't count on it. Looking at draft history of the Pels, and Trajons history, I would start looking at shooting, defending, wing types. Would not surprise me if he tries to move up to nab Risacher.

I want in order;

Sheppard
Knecht
Cligan

I'd be happy with any of them, but Trajon may have his eye on someone not even on our radar.


Mostly agreed -

If Pistons sign Monk, they should trade two of Grimes/Ivey/Sassar - not sure who, but that’s 30 mpg out the door.

My top three:

Risachar
Sheppard
Knecht

If all three are gone by #5, particularly Knecht, I’d be shocked.

I also wonder about Clinghan and Edey playing pick and roll defense - are they going to be any better than Boban or Garza? I’d pass on them - plus neither can shoot a lick from outside - we need less of those players….
I agree, but here's the thing;

You can absolutely have just a rim rocking shotblocker at the 5, if everyone else can shoot the damn ball. This is why Ausar is so damn problematic in the starting lineup.

Cade
Monk
Ausar
Tek
Clingan

If Ausar could shoot 30-32% im all in. Problem is, he has 100miles to go to get to that point.

This is the problem.


I stopped before making the exact same comment - Thompson, Duren and Clingan - one has to go. So why draft Clingan?
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Re: Free Agency 

Post#504 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 5, 2024 4:19 pm

I’m torn on Monk. He’s a good player but he’s also another smaller guard who’s not a point of attack defender.

JEIII says we’re going to agressively pursuing him (along with Gary Harris and Nic Claxton).
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Post#505 » by ComboGuardCity » Wed Jun 5, 2024 4:31 pm

Does JE3 have any sources any more? Unless he has a direct to Gores, I’m assuming most of his sources are gone.
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Post#506 » by flow » Wed Jun 5, 2024 6:06 pm

Snakebites wrote:I’m torn on Monk. He’s a good player but he’s also another smaller guard who’s not a point of attack defender.

JEIII says we’re going to agressively pursuing him (along with Gary Harris and Nic Claxton).


How aggressive could one's pursuit of Gary Harris possibly be at this point? Please don't bid against yourself and turn into Weaver this quickly.

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Post#507 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 5, 2024 6:15 pm

flow wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I’m torn on Monk. He’s a good player but he’s also another smaller guard who’s not a point of attack defender.

JEIII says we’re going to agressively pursuing him (along with Gary Harris and Nic Claxton).


How aggressive could one's pursuit of Gary Harris possibly be at this point? Please don't bid against yourself and turn into Weaver this quickly.

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Yeah that name jumped out.

Claxton and Monk make sense.
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Post#508 » by JennetteMcCurdy » Wed Jun 5, 2024 6:48 pm

Snakebites wrote:
flow wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I’m torn on Monk. He’s a good player but he’s also another smaller guard who’s not a point of attack defender.

JEIII says we’re going to agressively pursuing him (along with Gary Harris and Nic Claxton).


How aggressive could one's pursuit of Gary Harris possibly be at this point? Please don't bid against yourself and turn into Weaver this quickly.

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Yeah that name jumped out.

Claxton and Monk make sense.


I’d sign Harris to about a one year, $6 million deal that could be traded at the deadline, that’s about it.
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Re: Free Agency 

Post#509 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 5, 2024 6:56 pm

JennetteMcCurdy wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
flow wrote:
How aggressive could one's pursuit of Gary Harris possibly be at this point? Please don't bid against yourself and turn into Weaver this quickly.

.

Yeah that name jumped out.

Claxton and Monk make sense.


I’d sign Harris to about a one year, $6 million deal that could be traded at the deadline, that’s about it.

I agree. He’s not bad per se- an okay vet to have around. But really not much of an upgrade even over what we had off the bench.
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Post#510 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 7:26 pm

I wouldn't mind Harris as a 3 and D guard off the bench
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Post#511 » by 7r5ur » Wed Jun 5, 2024 8:28 pm

Snakebites wrote:I’m torn on Monk. He’s a good player but he’s also another smaller guard who’s not a point of attack defender.

JEIII says we’re going to agressively pursuing him (along with Gary Harris and Nic Claxton).


I've found it interesting how anyone really knows who we're gonna go after with Trajan being so new. Did he jump in the seat and immediately leak who he likes or are beat writers just assuming we're gonna go after any decent player? Also, seems hard to definitively say who you'll go after in free agency before the draft unless you're going after a star.
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Post#512 » by LaSheed » Wed Jun 5, 2024 8:40 pm

Hoping Claxton signs with Nets and Monk stay with Sacramento.
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Post#513 » by zeebneeb » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:01 pm

LaSheed wrote:Hoping Claxton signs with Nets and Monk stay with Sacramento.
So your hoping that two of the best free agents available, don't sign with the Pistons, during an offseason where the Pistons are gonna need to use that money, before young players got to start getting paid?

Just don't like them as players? I mean, I guess the Pistons could stand pat, but they will have to sign Tek, and then Cade in the offseason, so next year they will have less money, so fewer options.

Guess I'm a little confused as to what your game plan is.
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Post#514 » by 7r5ur » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:06 pm

LaSheed wrote:Hoping Claxton signs with Nets and Monk stay with Sacramento.

Even if you don't want them on the team you should hope they sign with one of the other teams with cap space so that the pool of money available is less. If they re-sign to capped out teams that would be worse for us.
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Post#515 » by TPA » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:51 pm

Would Mikal and Miles like to play together? If the Pistons could swing a trade for Mikal, does Miles look at Detroit and take a 4yr./100mil contract to team up? Miles plays a position of need, and Detroit has been rumored to be after him... Those moves would be an incredible off-season for this team. I'm not sure who would remain after all the dust settles, and plug/play the guys however you choose to make our starting lineup, but this could be nasty:

Cade
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Mikal
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Post#516 » by LaSheed » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:52 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
LaSheed wrote:Hoping Claxton signs with Nets and Monk stay with Sacramento.
So your hoping that two of the best free agents available, don't sign with the Pistons, during an offseason where the Pistons are gonna need to use that money, before young players got to start getting paid?

Just don't like them as players? I mean, I guess the Pistons could stand pat, but they will have to sign Tek, and then Cade in the offseason, so next year they will have less money, so fewer options.

Guess I'm a little confused as to what your game plan is.


If I had an answer I would definitely tell you. Again I like the players but when you say out loud us paying atleast $180 million for Nic Claxton & Malik Monk that just doesn't sit well with me for some reason.

I've always liked Monk but he's a very streaky shooter and zero defense. I know the going price for these guys is just going up.

Claxton is a nice player. But investing in the Center position while having the worst wing rotation in the league has got to stop.
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Re: Free Agency 

Post#517 » by Canadafan » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:42 pm

LaSheed wrote:Hoping Claxton signs with Nets and Monk stay with Sacramento.


Bahaha same. I don't have too much excitement about getting those two.
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Post#518 » by Canadafan » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:47 pm

I thought I read somewhere that if we sign guys to 1yr deals this summer with our cap, that we could have even more space next summer prior to Cade signing his extension.
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Post#519 » by GreekAlex » Thu Jun 6, 2024 1:26 am

Canadafan wrote:I thought I read somewhere that if we sign guys to 1yr deals this summer with our cap, that we could have even more space next summer prior to Cade signing his extension.


It seems like that would depend on how much Fontecchio gets as well as if the rookie scale raises outpace the rise in salary cap or vice versa.
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Re: Free Agency 

Post#520 » by bstein14 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 1:29 am

GreekAlex wrote:
Canadafan wrote:I thought I read somewhere that if we sign guys to 1yr deals this summer with our cap, that we could have even more space next summer prior to Cade signing his extension.


It seems like that would depend on how much Fontecchio gets as well as if the rookie scale raises outpace the rise in salary cap or vice versa.



Cade will count for the max no matter what due to his cap hold for the #1 pick so it doesn't matter if he signs now or later.

Someone may have been mistaken for something similar to the Maxey situation where Maxey has a smaller cap hold since he was picked as a mid to late first rounder so the Sixers this summer can use a bunch of cap space and then afterwards give Maxey a max contract.

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